2018 Grad Transfer Thread, Updated 4/19/2018

[MU82]

Joseph Chartouney: 126 3PMs on 32.7% shooting through three seasons
Derrick Wilson: 11 3PMs on 17.7% shooting through four seasons

Why the hell are we comparing Chartouney's offense to Derrick's? Different kind of players and Derrick's offense isn't in the same zip code as Chartouney's

Why? Because it's what effen Ners does!

He's also still lamenting Traci's absence. It's hilarious that Ners thinks only absurd numbskulls would discuss comparing what Wojo faced to what KO faced, but he apparently thinks it's kosher to compare Traci Freakin' Carter with Tony Miller.

And hell, even if Ners weren't smokin' crack and Carter WAS as good as Miller, that ship has sailed. Saying 1,000 times that Traci would be our savior doesn't bring Traci back, but it does give Ners yet another opportunity to criticize Wojo - whom Ners knows should have been able to convince Traci to stay because, well, Ners could have.

Let's talk about the here and now. Is there likely to be a better grad transfer PG option than Chartouny? If so, tell Ners to identify him, recruit him and bring him in.

If not, tell him to stop being Nersy just for the sake of it.

Statistically (and height-wise) Chartouny is light years ahead of Derrick. But comparing him to Derrick makes it easier for Ners to criticize. Pathetic and sad.

OK, TAMU, enough of Ners' Nersiness. Question for you and others who might actually know something about basketball ...

Someone said earlier that Wojo is "following" Chartouny now. Is there any other indication that we're going after him? Is there any indication that the kid actually is interested in Marquette? We might all be wasting a lot of energy - and in Ners' case, a lot of negative energy - on a kid who has zero interest in MU.

But hey, that's what we do, right?!?!

[Silkk the Shaka]

Did you mean Traci was Tony Miller/2.0?

LOL

I liked Traci, but the guy was not a HM starter

[Silkk the Shaka]

https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/979422346653073408?s=21

Incredible response to that tweet from a Xavier fan

[Tha Hound]

Agree.  Not sure why people are super stoked over Chartouny?  Plays on 292nd best team.  Poor shooter.  Relatively low usage.  94.9 O-Rating. 

Now, he was 2nd best in Steal Percentage. 

The differential between Rowsey and this guy is HUGE.  Our offense won't be anywhere close to what we were last season.  Looks for Sam and Markus will be much more difficult to come by.  Driving lanes for Sacar won't be nearly as available.

If we can't step up to be a Top 50 team defensively next season, think we will be an NIT team once again.

Almost every take you have had on this page of the thread has been bad, from praising Traci Carter to comparing Chartouny to Derrick Wilson. Not a great look.

[Pakuni]

I will postulate that Traci will put up better numbers than what Chartouney put up this past season in the A-10.

Traci was Tony Miller 2.0.  Unfortunately, Wojo didn't hand him the reigns to be the PG at MU from Day 1.  Oddly Wojo wanted to square peg Haanif into that role.  And then, Year 2, Traci got benched in favor or Markus/Rowsey. 

Good old Thomas Bilde had it right on the broadcasts of our games on the Italian Summer trip - The Engine.

I know you're taking a lot of grief for this take, but in all fairness it's a huge improvement from that time you compared John Dawson to Magic Johnson.

[GGGG]

I liked Traci but he was not anywhere near Tony Miller.

Traci had a nice start to his sophomore year but the combination of injury, Howard, and Rowsey caused him to look elsewhere.

Tony Miller lead the Great Midwest Conference in assists and assists per game all four years he was at Marquette.  He lead the entire NCAA as a junior in assists, was NCAA top ten in APG all four years and is still 15th all time in total assists.

Traci Carter isn't that.  Not even close.

[Loose Cannon]

Why the hell are we comparing Chartouney's offense to Derrick's? Different kind of players and Derrick's offense isn't in the same zip code as Chartouney's

Because that poster is a very Slick Au Contraire.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Joseph Chartouney: 126 3PMs on 32.7% shooting through three seasons
Derrick Wilson: 11 3PMs on 17.7% shooting through four seasons

Why the hell are we comparing Chartouney's offense to Derrick's? Different kind of players and Derrick's offense isn't in the same zip code as Chartouney's

I'll take the blame. I looked only at ORtg and didn't dig deeper. Forgot that bringing up Derrick's name was like saying Beetlejuice 3 times for a certain poster.

[NickelDimer]

https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/979422346653073408?s=21

No joke. I got my wines confused for a second and thought we lost our guy

[Floorslapper]

Of course Chardonnay is better than Derrick Wilson offensively and defensively - anyone can agree. 

Hopefully we land the kid.  Just think if some are expecting him to be this major impact player for the team, they may be disappointed.  AND the going won't be as "easy" as it was this year for Markus, Sam and Sacar with Rowsey gone.

Regarding Traci Carter:

Traci was Number 3 in Assist Rate in the Big East as a freshman at 36.6% and Number 2 in Steal Rate at 3.8%.  Shot 35% from 3.  Conference O-Rating of 93.1 with 19% Usage.

Chardonnay against Tier A comp O-Rating the last 3 seasons:  82.5, 66.1, 56.5

The truth will be revealed.  He will absolutely put up better numbers at La Salle than what Chardonnay put up this past season at Fordham.

[MU82]

Of course Chardonnay is better than Derrick Wilson offensively and defensively - anyone can agree. 

Hopefully we land the kid.  Just think if some are expecting him to be this major impact player for the team, they may be disappointed.  AND the going won't be as "easy" as it was this year for Markus, Sam and Sacar with Rowsey gone.

Regarding Traci Carter:

Traci was Number 3 in Assist Rate in the Big East as a freshman at 36.6% and Number 2 in Steal Rate at 3.8%.  Shot 35% from 3.  Conference O-Rating of 93.1 with 19% Usage.

Chardonnay against Tier A comp O-Rating the last 3 seasons:  82.5, 66.1, 56.5

The truth will be revealed.  He will absolutely put up better numbers at La Salle than what Chardonnay put up this past season at Fordham.

And that matters to Marquette next season ... how?

[Floorslapper]

Why? Because it's what effen Ners does!

He's also still lamenting Traci's absence. It's hilarious that Ners thinks only absurd numbskulls would discuss comparing what Wojo faced to what KO faced, but he apparently thinks it's kosher to compare Traci Freakin' Carter with Tony Miller.

And hell, even if Ners weren't smokin' crack and Carter WAS as good as Miller, that ship has sailed. Saying 1,000 times that Traci would be our savior doesn't bring Traci back, but it does give Ners yet another opportunity to criticize Wojo - whom Ners knows should have been able to convince Traci to stay because, well, Ners could have.

Let's talk about the here and now. Is there likely to be a better grad transfer PG option than Chartouny? If so, tell Ners to identify him, recruit him and bring him in.

If not, tell him to stop being Nersy just for the sake of it.

Statistically (and height-wise) Chartouny is light years ahead of Derrick. But comparing him to Derrick makes it easier for Ners to criticize. Pathetic and sad.

OK, TAMU, enough of Ners' Nersiness. Question for you and others who might actually know something about basketball ...

Someone said earlier that Wojo is "following" Chartouny now. Is there any other indication that we're going after him? Is there any indication that the kid actually is interested in Marquette? We might all be wasting a lot of energy - and in Ners' case, a lot of negative energy - on a kid who has zero interest in MU.

But hey, that's what we do, right?!?!

So ridiculous.  What's sad is that Wojo couldn't see from Day 1 that you make Traci Carter the starting F'in PG.  Instead tried to make Haanif be the PG.  We saw that "brilliance."  Carter was the one junkyard dog Wojo had recruited.  Tenacious AF on D, and made everyone around him better on O.

But, carry on journalist Mike, and get your hot takes from those who "actually know something about basketball" here.

[Floorslapper]

I know you're taking a lot of grief for this take, but in all fairness it's a huge improvement from that time you compared John Dawson to Magic Johnson.

And let's not take out of context what was said regarding John Dawson:  I said, some of the PASSES Dawson made in non-con his freshman year were Magic Johnson-esque.  That was the extent of the comparison.

Guy ended up in the G-League...and get some run.  Not exactly "awful."

[Its DJOver]

Of course Chardonnay is better than Derrick Wilson offensively and defensively - anyone can agree. 

Hopefully we land the kid.  Just think if some are expecting him to be this major impact player for the team, they may be disappointed.  AND the going won't be as "easy" as it was this year for Markus, Sam and Sacar with Rowsey gone.

Regarding Traci Carter:

Traci was Number 3 in Assist Rate in the Big East as a freshman at 36.6% and Number 2 in Steal Rate at 3.8%.  Shot 35% from 3.  Conference O-Rating of 93.1 with 19% Usage.

Chardonnay against Tier A comp O-Rating the last 3 seasons:  82.5, 66.1, 56.5

The truth will be revealed.  He will absolutely put up better numbers at La Salle than what Chardonnay put up this past season at Fordham.

I don't think Traci was a bad player, but he did transfer because he believed that Markus was a better PG.  The same Markus that got consistently criticized here this season for not being able to pass or dribble, so if Traci didn't think he was good enough to get minutes at MU I'd be inclined to agree with him.  I think a lot of the love for Traci was for two reasons. First, he was our first PG since Derrick.  It wasn't going to take much to seem like an upgrade.  Second, he was from Philly, which gave the impression to many here that the Philly recruiting pool was now reopened after Buzz burned some bridges with the DJ Newbill situation.  I remember watching Traci his freshman year thinking that if we didn't land Markus we'd be in major trouble going forward.

[GGGG]

And that matters to Marquette next season ... how?

I will point out that one of Ners' aliases used similar logic regarding Dawson and Rowsey. 

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48207.msg868602#msg868602

[Silkk the Shaka]

I will point out that one of Ners' aliases used similar logic regarding Dawson and Rowsey. 

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48207.msg868602#msg868602

LOL

[Pakuni]

The truth will be revealed.  He will absolutely put up better numbers at La Salle than what Chardonnay put up this past season at Fordham.

He'll have to earn playing time first.
LaSalle's top returning player is junior point guard Pookie Powell. Can Traci play off the ball?

[LAZER]

Of course Chardonnay is better than Derrick Wilson offensively and defensively - anyone can agree. 

Hopefully we land the kid.  Just think if some are expecting him to be this major impact player for the team, they may be disappointed.  AND the going won't be as "easy" as it was this year for Markus, Sam and Sacar with Rowsey gone.

Regarding Traci Carter:

Traci was Number 3 in Assist Rate in the Big East as a freshman at 36.6% and Number 2 in Steal Rate at 3.8%.  Shot 35% from 3.  Conference O-Rating of 93.1 with 19% Usage.

Chardonnay against Tier A comp O-Rating the last 3 seasons:  82.5, 66.1, 56.5

The truth will be revealed.  He will absolutely put up better numbers at La Salle than what Chardonnay put up this past season at Fordham.

You sure about that? Of Chartouny's 12ppg/5.5rpg/4.5apg , I think assists would be the only category Traci has a shot at.

[Floorslapper]

I will point out that one of Ners' aliases used similar logic regarding Dawson and Rowsey. 

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48207.msg868602#msg868602

So creepy. You legitimately bookmark and archive posts of mine that I’ve made over the years...this one two years old. You rehashed a post I made 5 years ago.

So. I’ve had a few wrong takes here too. God knows if I had a lot of them you’d be recycling them as you have a 6 year history of archiving posts/takes I’ve made.

[Floorslapper]

You sure about that? Of Chartouny's 12ppg/5.5rpg/4.5apg , I think assists would be the only category Traci has a shot at.

Guess we will see. One thing we know for sure is Sultan will be sure to archive my post and reference if I’m wrong.

[Uncle Rico]

Guess we will see. One thing we know for sure is Sultan will be sure to archive my post and reference if I’m wrong.

I hope so.  It’s quite enjoyable

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Truth will be revealed.  He will absolutely put up better numbers at La Salle than what Chardonnay put up this past season at Fordham.

Why this man? Why not just say "I think" or "I'm confident" or "I'm willing to bet"? Why do you have to refer to your predictions as "the truth" and say they will "absolutely" happen?  That's why people get bent out of shape. Not the content of your opinions but the manner in which they're delivered

Pretty much agreed with the rest of your post. I like Chartouney but I'm not expecting him to be a stud. More of a fifth starter but one with the exact skill set we need to cover up some gaps in our lineup. And I liked Traci. Thought he could be a solid starter for us. Not a star but solid. He may very well put up better numbers at LaSalle.

One nit though,  TC left because of role not minutes. He thought he should be a featured scorer,  coaches wanted him to be a defender and distributor. Decided to go somewhere where he'd be one of the better scorers.

[Newsdreams]

You sure about that? Of Chartouny's 12ppg/5.5rpg/4.5apg , I think assists would be the only category Traci has a shot at.

Assists? Passing for 3's to Markus / Sam don't think so.

[Floorslapper]

I hope so.  It’s quite enjoyable

Cool.  What's your take for next season?  Prediction?  With Chardonnay.  Without?

[Newsdreams]

Paging  Big Daddy, is MU going for white wine?