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MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 19, 2018, 07:50:03 PM
Why the hate for interleague play? I love it

Same here.  Yankees - Mets this weekend!

CTWarrior

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 19, 2018, 07:50:03 PM
Why the hate for interleague play? I love it

Because my team has no natural rival and when they play in an NL park they have to play differently than they were designed to play.  When we had Ortiz, he would only play half the games at 1B.  Now that we have JD Martinez, we have to take Jackie Bradley Jr out of CF to accommodate him, and watching JBJ play CF is a really enjoyable thing.  The Red Sox dominate in interleague play for reasons I do not understand, but I'd still rather not have it.

Yankee fans like it because they get extra games against the often hapless Mets while the Red Sox got the Braves as their repeat team the years from the start to the mid 00s and they swapped them to the Phillies when they got good in the late 00s.  We don't have an automatic team any more, at least. 
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

mu03eng

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 19, 2018, 07:50:03 PM
Why the hate for interleague play? I love it

Because it's annoying to have to play DH games when your team isn't built for DH and vice versa. Additionally, it further unbalances the schedule because interleague play isn't against all the same teams, sometimes you get Twins and some times you get the Red Sox. Plus call me a purist, but if we're going to have two different leagues with different rules I don't think they should meet until the World Series.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

GGGG

Quote from: CTWarrior on July 20, 2018, 07:40:50 AM
Because my team has no natural rival and when they play in an NL park they have to play differently than they were designed to play.  When we had Ortiz, he would only play half the games at 1B.  Now that we have JD Martinez, we have to take Jackie Bradley Jr out of CF to accommodate him, and watching JBJ play CF is a really enjoyable thing.  The Red Sox dominate in interleague play for reasons I do not understand, but I'd still rather not have it.

Yankee fans like it because they get extra games against the often hapless Mets while the Red Sox got the Braves as their repeat team the years from the start to the mid 00s and they swapped them to the Phillies when they got good in the late 00s.  We don't have an automatic team any more, at least. 

Quote from: mu03eng on July 20, 2018, 07:43:49 AM
Because it's annoying to have to play DH games when your team isn't built for DH and vice versa. Additionally, it further unbalances the schedule because interleague play isn't against all the same teams, sometimes you get Twins and some times you get the Red Sox. Plus call me a purist, but if we're going to have two different leagues with different rules I don't think they should meet until the World Series.

These are good advertisements for the universal DH.

CTWarrior

Quote from: Jockey on July 19, 2018, 06:56:14 PM
Sorry, no pitcher has ever gotten 6 inches on either side of the plate.

Maybe it was just hyperbole cuz Maddux and Glavine did get a slightly larger zone.

Maddux came darned close, at least on the outer half.  I don't say this in a jealous way, either.  He was a master. He would paint the corner, then go just a little further outside, and a little further outside, and take the ump right along with him.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: #bansultan on July 20, 2018, 07:44:34 AM
These are good advertisements for the universal DH.

It would be better to get rid of the DH completely...or at least rename the position the Jabari.


MerrittsMustache

Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 19, 2018, 08:58:35 PM
   i think charlotte would be an excellent place for a new team.  as for the millennials-ya can't make this one up-

    http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2018/07/19/millennials-outraged-after-baseball-team-advertises-millennial-night-with-avocados-participation-ribbons-and-napping-stations.html

The best tweet mentioned: "If you're an offended millennial complaining about this, aren't you basically furthering the stereotype?"


mu03eng

Quote from: #bansultan on July 20, 2018, 07:44:34 AM
These are good advertisements for the universal DH.

Or killing the DH. I want either no DH or universal DH, this senior/junior league $hit has got to go.

Killing the DH is more compelling baseball in my mind (making it more interesting for all sorts of reasons, but also longer games because of all the switching) but it also is much riskier on pitching which is where the money is right now so I can see either argument...but pick one for god's sake.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

CTWarrior

Quote from: mu03eng on July 20, 2018, 08:14:39 AM
Or killing the DH. I want either no DH or universal DH, this senior/junior league $hit has got to go.

Killing the DH is more compelling baseball in my mind (making it more interesting for all sorts of reasons, but also longer games because of all the switching) but it also is much riskier on pitching which is where the money is right now so I can see either argument...but pick one for god's sake.

I agree that MLB should stick with one rule and keep it.  I disagree with the rest.  Pinch hitting and double switching as strategies are not very exciting, very predictable and more than offset by watching a hitter as opposed to a pitcher bat.  It used to be interesting in the old days, when managers used to try to get a pitcher through an inning so they could pinch hit for him without burning a relief pitcher for one batter, but with 7-8 man bullpens, they don't worry about that anymore.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

TallTitan34

The Cubs have acquired RHP Jesse Chavez from the Texas Rangers for Single A LHP Tyler Thomas.

GGGG

Players union wouldn't agree with dropping DH right?  Adopting it would be the easier path.  And since pretty much all levels have it already, might as well keep it.  I agree that double switches as a strategy isn't exactly compelling.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on July 20, 2018, 08:13:15 AM
The best tweet mentioned: "If you're an offended millennial complaining about this, aren't you basically furthering the stereotype?"
Nah, that's not a fair argument.  It is akin to "if you disagree with the conspiracy theory, that proves its true".
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

MU Fan in Connecticut

I just got an email that I thought was an interesting baseball team promotion.  The Connecticut Tigers (Single A team of Detroit) has a Magnum PI bobblehead night complete with Tigers hat and Hawaiian shirt.

TallTitan34

Brandon Morrow had an MRI on his forearm / biceps today.  He said there was "stuff in  there " but nothing that needed a long term shutdown .

TallTitan34

Joey Votto pop ups by year:
2010 - 0
2011 - 1
2012 - 1
2013 - 1
2014 - 1
2015 - 2
2016 - 0
2017 - 1
2018 - 0

Since 2010, Votto has popped it up 7 times. With the same amount of PA, the MLB average player would have popped it up 127 times.

https://twitter.com/MLBRandomStats/status/1020172530840203264

MU82

Quote from: #bansultan on July 20, 2018, 08:54:21 AM
Players union wouldn't agree with dropping DH right?  Adopting it would be the easier path.

Correct. They have repeatedly said dropping the DH is not an option.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

MU82

Quote from: #UnleashLaxBros on July 20, 2018, 04:33:31 AM
Nor is the notion of participation trophies. The ones who ridicule millenialls for it are the same generation who came up with it.

Excellent point, Unleash.

The Millennials didn't give themselves the trophies!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

buckchuckler

Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 20, 2018, 10:42:31 AM
Joey Votto pop ups by year:
2010 - 0
2011 - 1
2012 - 1
2013 - 1
2014 - 1
2015 - 2
2016 - 0
2017 - 1
2018 - 0

Since 2010, Votto has popped it up 7 times. With the same amount of PA, the MLB average player would have popped it up 127 times.

https://twitter.com/MLBRandomStats/status/1020172530840203264

Holy moly.  That's amazing.

mu03eng

Quote from: CTWarrior on July 20, 2018, 08:20:03 AM
I agree that MLB should stick with one rule and keep it.  I disagree with the rest.  Pinch hitting and double switching as strategies are not very exciting, very predictable and more than offset by watching a hitter as opposed to a pitcher bat.  It used to be interesting in the old days, when managers used to try to get a pitcher through an inning so they could pinch hit for him without burning a relief pitcher for one batter, but with 7-8 man bullpens, they don't worry about that anymore.

I think it's not as compelling because the demand for relief pitchers in the AL isn't as pervasive in the NL so the supply can keep up. AL bull pens just aren't as deep as NL bull pens because they don't have to be. Increase the need for more quality relief pictures + new analytics would make for some very interesting in-game strategies.

But certainly not a hill I'll die on, I'd be fine to going to universal DH if they want.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

buckchuckler

I can't lie.  I have never understood the love for pitchers hitting.  They are terrible at it (Ohtani excluded of course, ,maybe 1 or 2 others... but even Madison Bumgarner is a .180 hitter).  Why do you want to watch a terrible hitter hit? Why do you want to give a pitcher an easy way out of a difficult inning? 

More strategy?  I don't see it.  Double switches and bunts are as routine as possible.  Keeps pitchers honest?  Nah.  How often is the pitcher the guy hit if he hits a hitter?  Rarely.  The opposing teams similar hitter is the one that usually the one that wears the damage.   

The DH adds excitement to the offensive side of the game, and it allows better pitchers to stay in the game longer because they don't have to be removed for a pinch hitter. 

But that's just me, I've always liked the AL game better.  It drives me crazy when a pitcher gets off the hook by pitching around a bad #8 hitter to face an opposing pitcher.  With that being said, maybe it is just because what I have always known, but I've always liked the little difference between the two leagues, but with so much interleague play, I understand why the rules need to be the same. 

jsglow

Having grown up watching the AL, I appreciated the fact that the DH allowed me to see Hank Aaron in person.  But that's when it ended for me.  Prefer the NL by a wide margin.

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 20, 2018, 10:42:31 AM
Joey Votto pop ups by year:
2010 - 0
2011 - 1
2012 - 1
2013 - 1
2014 - 1
2015 - 2
2016 - 0
2017 - 1
2018 - 0

Since 2010, Votto has popped it up 7 times. With the same amount of PA, the MLB average player would have popped it up 127 times.

https://twitter.com/MLBRandomStats/status/1020172530840203264

Additionally, in his entire career (~6500 PAs), he has never popped out to pitcher, first or catcher.


buckchuckler

Quote from: jsglow on July 20, 2018, 12:41:25 PM
Having grown up watching the AL, I appreciated the fact that the DH allowed me to see Hank Aaron in person.  But that's when it ended for me.  Prefer the NL by a wide margin.

Curious as to why?

Jockey

Quote from: buckchuckler on July 20, 2018, 12:22:50 PM


More strategy?  I don't see it.  Double switches and bunts are as routine as possible.  Keeps pitchers honest?  Nah.  How often is the pitcher the guy hit if he hits a hitter?  Rarely.  The opposing teams similar hitter is the one that usually the one that wears the damage.   



I agree. I don't get where there is more strategy in the NL. 

jsglow

Quote from: buckchuckler on July 20, 2018, 01:21:33 PM
Curious as to why?

Because I do like the double switches and such.  I think it's a purer form of the game.  Personal preference.

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