Wichita vs Cal

[Boozemon Barro]

Wouldn't winning the Maui be better than losing in the 2nd round?

[brewcity77]

Then again, if Cal wins, MU not only has a better chance at a win tomorrow, but also a likely shot at a Notre Dame team that almost certainly will have a higher RPI at season's end than the Shockers. (For perspective ... a 25-win ND team last year had an RPI of 23; a 29-win WSU had an RPI of 31).
I'd rather take my chances against Cal in hopes of setting up a title game against Notre Dame. Or, in other words, I'd rather play Cal and ND for a title than Wichita State and Michigan/LSU for 3rd place.
And, yeah, I'm probably selling short MU's chances against WSU given how they looked in the first half.

Except RPI doesn't take into account your opponent's RPI, it accounts for their record. So better to play a 28-win Wichita team than a 25-win ND team, regardless of their RPI.

[Lighthouse 84]

Except RPI doesn't take into account your opponent's RPI, it accounts for their record. So better to play a 28-win Wichita team than a 25-win ND team, regardless of their RPI.

ND sucks.

[chapman]

Going by expectations, Wichita is much better for us.  Simple part of the RPI calculation - the opponent's win percentage of a team expected to win high 20's number of games versus a team that might lose 20. 

Going by wanting to win this thing, I don't want any part of a WSU team that got the bad play out of their system and stormed back for a win.  I don't think we struggle to beat a Cal team not playing way over their heads.

[muguru]

I would love to see them in the Championship, so playing cal is fine with me...but I'm curious what the RPI calculations would be for beating VCU, beat cal and beat ND/Michigan, or...beat VCU, beat cal and lose to ND/Michigan.

[Pakuni]

Except RPI doesn't take into account your opponent's RPI, it accounts for their record. So better to play a 28-win Wichita team than a 25-win ND team, regardless of their RPI.

I wasn't talking about the games' effects on MU's RPI. I was talking about which would ultimately be viewed as the better opponent. At season's end, Notre Dame will be viewed as the better opponent.
And given their showing today and step up in conference competition, I'm not so sure about WSU being a 29-win team.

[cheebs09]

Maybe all of this is moot if this is finally the year the selection committee devalues RPI.

[brewcity77]

I wasn't talking about the games' effects on MU's RPI. I was talking about which would ultimately be viewed as the better opponent. At season's end, Notre Dame will be viewed as the better opponent.
And given their showing today and step up in conference competition, I'm not so sure about WSU being a 29-win team.

Well, at the moment (and it's really early) Wichita is projected as a 1 or 2 seed. Notre Dame in the 3-4 range.

[brewcity77]

Shockers back within 7 with 10 to play.

[Herman Cain]

I am a big Lynn Marshall fan, so I would prefer to see us play Witchita.  Cal would be a good opponent  as well since we seem to be competing with them from time to time for recruits. I think both will ultimately be seen as quality opponents .

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Great discussion to have with 15-10 minutes to play smh

[PGsHeroes32]

If it's Wichita I don't see how the hell we stop Morris.

But I'd love to take a crack at them. Nothing to lose.

We could still lose to Cal....that would be bad.

[Oldgym]

Tied, 5 to play

[#UnleashSean]

Refs same to be playing in this game quite a bit.

[GB Warrior]

I get a bigger kick than i should out of the name Justice Sueing given the news of the day

[brewcity77]

Wichita with the lead.

[Mu2323]

lol at everyone wanted a wich st loss over a cal win. RPI doesn't help if you lose.

[muguru]

lol at everyone wanted a wich st loss over a cal win. RPI doesn't help if you lose.

I agree with this, regardless of who MU would have played, an MU win will ALWAYS help more then a loss would.

[cheese ball chaser]

Watching Cal getting destroyed by the press is painful. And I thought our press break was bad...Yikes.

[MUpugnacity]

I agree with this, regardless of who MU would have played, an MU win will ALWAYS help more then a loss would.

By this logic we should schedule like Georgetown did this year.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I agree with this, regardless of who MU would have played, an MU win will ALWAYS help more then a loss would.

I'd rather have the opportunity for a great win in a scenario where a loss doesn't do much damage vs. the chance of having a bad loss on the resume.

[brewcity77]

I agree with this, regardless of who MU would have played, an MU win will ALWAYS help more then a loss would.

This is just wrong. RPI is about the same whether we lose to Wichita or beat Cal, but the SOS impact is 10+ spots. Better to lose to Wichita than beat Cal.

But I've been saying this for months, so at this point anyone arguing otherwise is ignorant of math.

[muguru]

I'd rather have the opportunity for a great win in a scenario where a loss doesn't do much damage vs. the chance of having a bad loss on the resume.

Well yeah, but I'd rather play in the championship over any thing else. besides, MU was NOT going to lose to Cal anyway. What's weird about this(other then the time of year), is that if this was the NCAA tournament, we would always root for the lessor team, to help MU.

[Hards Alumni]

This is just wrong. RPI is about the same whether we lose to Wichita or beat Cal, but the SOS impact is 10+ spots. Better to lose to Wichita than beat Cal.

But I've been saying this for months, so at this point anyone arguing otherwise is ignorant of math.

This all being true if WSU is as good as most think they are.  If WSU loses 7-10 games maybe a win over Cal is better than a loss to WSU.  Remember to qualify your answer 

[muguru]

This is just wrong. RPI is about the same whether we lose to Wichita or beat Cal, but the SOS impact is 10+ spots. Better to lose to Wichita than beat Cal.

But I've been saying this for months, so at this point anyone arguing otherwise is ignorant of math.

I guess my point was, in the end, MU will need all the "W's" they can get. So in that case, I'd rather beat Cal then lose to Wichita. The RPI and SOS say otherwise, which I get, but you aren't getting in the tourney if you don't have enough wins. Now, I'd LOVE to beat Wichita.