3 UCLA Players arrested in China

[StillAWarrior]

So...does UCLA pay for their 20-day stay in the hotel? 

As much as I dislike Lavar, that doesn't change that I think this honestly seems a reasonable punishment.

Edited to add: the fact that it's a hotel irks me a bit. Twenty days seems ok...but the hotel thing is a little cushy.

[Galway Eagle]

So...does UCLA pay for their 20-day stay in the hotel? 

As much as I dislike Lavar, that doesn't change that I think this honestly seems a reasonable punishment.

Edited to add: the fact that it's a hotel irks me a bit. Twenty days seems ok...but the hotel thing is a little cushy.

Yep, a luxury hotel where they can workout, swim, eat and probably more.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If UCLA has any stones, they will suspend the players for at least a semester upon their return to the states. A normal student getting caught shoplifting at Louis Vitton (assuming this isn't a knock off store) would result in a minimum of probation for multiple semesters. It's different at every school, but most schools don't allow students on probation to represent them in anyway, including as student athletes.

[Pakuni]

If UCLA has any stones, they will suspend the players for at least a semester upon their return to the states. A normal student getting caught shoplifting at Louis Vitton (assuming this isn't a knock off store) would result in a minimum of probation for multiple semesters. It's different at every school, but most schools don't allow students on probation to represent them in anyway, including as student athletes.

Why does it matter whether is a Louis Vitton store, a knock off store or the local Target?

Realistically, college athletes get caught doing worse and get off much lighter. I seem to remember a high-profile quarterback getting caught stealing crab legs and facing no suspension. Or a certain Marquette guard who slugged a fellow student and didn't miss any time.

From some of the reactions around here, you'd think these guys had been caught running a human trafficking ring.

[Jockey]

Why does it matter whether is a Louis Vitton store, a knock off store or the local Target?

Realistically, college athletes get caught doing worse and get off much lighter. I seem to remember a high-profile quarterback getting caught stealing crab legs and facing no suspension. Or a certain Marquette guard who slugged a fellow student and didn't miss any time.

From some of the reactions around here, you'd think these guys had been caught running a human trafficking ring.

Completely agree.

The kid should face a suspension from the team. The length should be based on what others have gotten for similar conduct.

[Jockey]

Well location most definitely matters. If I was a woman in Saudi Arabia I could be arrested for being outside alone. If I wore American jeans in the ussr I'd be sent to the gulag.

So a crime is not always a crime everywhere

Of course you are right. But I was speaking in terms of the crime that was committed, though - not a random crime.

[Jockey]

I'm curious to see as well.  5 games would satisfy me.  Anything lower and I hope the PAC 12 jumps in.

I thought you were being overly hard-line in your earlier comments, but this seems reasonable.

As a matter of fact, I think it would be OK to give a 10 game ban.

[GGGG]

Wow.  It's like we have reached a Kumbayah moment here.

[Herman Cain]

What would John Wooden do under these circumstances?

My guess is he would dismiss the kids from the team.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Why does it matter whether is a Louis Vitton store, a knock off store or the local Target?

Value of stolen items is a legitimate aggrevating factor.

Agreed that athletes get away with worse... But that doesnt mean that it should continue. I hear Conduct cases, including theft cases. Shoplifting no matter the value would at minimum result in a semester of probation.... Which would mean an athlete couldn't play during that time. Suspension from the school would be apossibility depending on the facts of the case

[StillAWarrior]

Yeah, I think they should be suspended for a while.  A semester seems reasonable to me, but unlikely.

I also think that UCLA should make them pay for any additional expenses that result from this fiasco.  Also unlikely.

[Hards Alumni]

I thought you were being overly hard-line in your earlier comments, but this seems reasonable.

As a matter of fact, I think it would be OK to give a 10 game ban.

Its almost like when the punishment is actually doled out we can judge it objectively.  It is okay to be a bit more malleable than some other folks around here.

FWIW the 20 day home arrest is being touted as the punishment, but IMO the ban from China for life is WAY worse in terms of future employment for these guys.

[4everwarriors]

Not accusing anyone here specifically, but sorry guys, this is a racially charged issue. How many of you have ever advocated prison time for white teenage girls in America?

There is plenty of statistical evidence that blacks in America get more prison time than whites for the same crimes. Now we have people on this board who are advocating hard prison time for shoplifting.

Estimates are that somewhere between 11%=20% of the US population have shoplifted at sometime in their lives. Are you calling for them all to serve "hard time"? Should we build more prisons to house all of these teenage "criminals"?

In the last 10 years over 11,000,000 Americans have been caught shoplifting. Should they all be in prison?


So, I guess what I am asking to all of those wanting this kid to got o prison in a foreign dictatorship - do you want us to send millions and millions of american kids to prison? Are you all "Ted Baxter" hardliners? And, theoretically, would Ted Baxter advocate years of hard prison time if his 16 year old daughter stole some lipstick?

Bullchit

[Jockey]

What would John Wooden do under these circumstances?

My guess is he would dismiss the kids from the team.

He'd have Gilbert pay the Chinese (under the table) and we wouldn't even know this happened.

[Jockey]

Bullchit

That post was just for you. I didn't want us to agree on something 2 days in a row

[4everwarriors]

Give it up to these kids. Pretty hard ta rip off LV. Da chit is locked, der's security, and yer watched like a hawk. BTW, Al wood bee proud. Always told his playas knot ta steel the hotel ashtrays. Rip off the TV's instead. Punishment is the same regardless, ai na?

[GooooMarquette]

Give it up to these kids. Pretty hard ta rip off LV. Da chit is locked, der's security, and yer watched like a hawk. BTW, Al wood bee proud. Always told his playas knot ta steel the hotel ashtrays. Rip off the TV's instead. Punishment is the same regardless, ai na?

If you're gonna give credit to someone who rips off LV, you might want to save it for someone who does it without getting caught. 

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Since this happened outside of the US, the NCAA jurisdiction doesnt apply.  UCLA is going to leave this to the international accreditation agency.

[cheebs09]

Of the Ball brothers, isn't LaMelo supposed to be the best? I could see Alford not punishing LiAngelo in order to not piss off Lavar and hurt that recruitment.

[forgetful]

Who is paying for the extended stay.  If it was any other student, they'd be on their own dime.  So if the students aren't paying for it, how is it not an impermissable benefit.

How are they going to attend class during the ordeal?  If they cannot attend classes, how do they stay eligible?  Again, if this was any other student on a University trip, they would not be permitted to make up lost class time, because they committed a crime. 

[Galway Eagle]

Who is paying for the extended stay.  If it was any other student, they'd be on their own dime.  So if the students aren't paying for it, how is it not an impermissable benefit.

How are they going to attend class during the ordeal?  If they cannot attend classes, how do they stay eligible?  Again, if this was any other student on a University trip, they would not be permitted to make up lost class time, because they committed a crime.

Unless it's midterms or finals do you ever really need to go to class? I once literally forgot i was taking a class and aced the final to get a C, just saying 20 days that are standard classes won't kill them.

The paying for the hotel I️ completely agree with unless lavars footing the bill for his son to stay in a two bedroom with a pullout bed?

[MU82]

What would John Wooden do under these circumstances?

My guess is he would dismiss the kids from the team.

I don't know how Wooden handled criminal activity. But he handled unethical recruiting by looking the other way and winning championships.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Since this happened outside of the US, the NCAA jurisdiction doesnt apply.  UCLA is going to leave this to the international accreditation agency.

Take a bow

[forgetful]

Unless it's midterms or finals do you ever really need to go to class? I once literally forgot i was taking a class and aced the final to get a C, just saying 20 days that are standard classes won't kill them.

The paying for the hotel I️ completely agree with unless lavars footing the bill for his son to stay in a two bedroom with a pullout bed?

At this time of year, they would almost assuredly miss an exam or two.  Some Profs also require they attend class.  I know some insane profs who dock a letter grade for each missed class above 3.

I agree, though that often going to class is not necessary.  I went an entire semester once only attending class on exam days.

[Hards Alumni]

Who is paying for the extended stay.  If it was any other student, they'd be on their own dime.  So if the students aren't paying for it, how is it not an impermissable benefit.

How are they going to attend class during the ordeal?  If they cannot attend classes, how do they stay eligible?  Again, if this was any other student on a University trip, they would not be permitted to make up lost class time, because they committed a crime.

Didn't MU stay in Italy last year?