Interesting Day Ahead...

[GGGG]

That Jurich / Pitino story is ridiculous.  I've read a lot about how great an AD that guy is, but if he is so good and worth so much money, how come his program can't make money without University support?

But this is a chronic problem at Louisville, who seems to feel it's appropriate to overpay for everyone.  Their President, for instance, was making 2 1/2 times the average of all other ACC presidents.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2015/07/10/ramseys-pay-dwarfs-others-acc/29974859/

Terrible lack of oversight by the University's governing board.  *That* is ultimately where the problem lies.

[warriorchick]

Slick Rick was set up to pocket Adidas $$? ....the UL situation sounds more and more like a criminal enterprise.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20927320/report-says-rick-pitino-got-98-percent-cash-louisville-current-adidas-deal

https://deadspin.com/rick-pitino-and-tom-jurich-made-ungodly-amounts-of-mone-1819196199

Give Rick a break!  Do you know how hard it was to make ends meet on the crappy salary Louisville was paying him?

[LoudMouth]

Give Rick a break!  Do you know how hard it was to make ends meet on the crappy salary Louisville was paying him?

Sounds like Drose when he went to the Knicks for more money because he needed to "provide for his family". Must be a tough life

[MuMark]

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Hearing more indictments are coming in college hoops. Expected to happen within the next two weeks, I'm told.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Reading some locally that UConn is pissed because because Louisville got into the ACC based on fraud.

[GGGG]

Reading some locally that UConn is pissed because because Louisville got into the ACC based on fraud.

That's not really accurate though.  Louisville got in because their athletic program as a whole, especially their football team, is better than UConn's.

[Herman Cain]

Reading some locally that UConn is pissed because because Louisville got into the ACC based on fraud.

That's not really accurate though.  Louisville got in because their athletic program as a whole, especially their football team, is better than UConn's.

Also ,at the time that choice was being made, Louisville  was shrewd enough to get their US senators to applied pressure on the ACC to favor Louisville.

[mug644]

Reading some locally that UConn is pissed because because Louisville got into the ACC based on fraud.

I'm not particularly opinionated about UConn, but I can imagine that there would be a lot of people who might respond to such whining with a comment like, "Mr. Kettle, I'd like to introduce you to Mr. Pot."

[LloydsLegs]

I'm not particularly opinionated about UConn, but I can imagine that there would be a lot of people who might respond to such whining with a comment like, "Mr. Kettle, I'd like to introduce you to Mr. Pot."

Nailed it.

[GGGG]

Also ,at the time that choice was being made, Louisville  was shrewd enough to get their US senators to applied pressure on the ACC to favor Louisville.

I think the underlying issue is that UConn fans have an inflated sense of how their program is perceived.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Two Louisville assistants suspended ...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20935925/louisville-cardinals-place-assistant-coaches-kenny-johnson-jordan-fair-paid-leave

[Herman Cain]

Two Louisville assistants suspended ...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20935925/louisville-cardinals-place-assistant-coaches-kenny-johnson-jordan-fair-paid-leave

Should have hired Crean

[Dawson Rental]

One week out, I'm amazed that we haven't seen more press on the Sean Millers, Bruce Pearls, Etc.   I mean, slick Rick is getting killed in the press, has already been fired and Zona and the rest are out of the lions eye.   I don't get it.  How are these guys keeping jobs.   Why haven't their recruits decommitted?   Why aren't they getting bad press.   Their response  " I'm Shocked" has been the same as Ricks.   I'm calling BS on all of them.   I'm confused??

You're confused by expecting that big changes would happen in one week.  The first round of arrests needs to be worked for a while before the plea deals that net more actors get negotiated.  Assuming, of course, that buying recruits via shoe companies is as prevalent as many suppose.  Does Calipari need to buy players?  He's got that awesome dorm and a great history of getting his guys into the NBA after one year.  Isn't that more important then 100k up front?  Many schools have boosters that are experienced and quite good at funneling lower but still significant amounts of cash to recruits particularly in football.  Those type of payments are pretty much impossible to catch.

[Tugg Speedman]

One week out, I'm amazed that we haven't seen more press on the Sean Millers, Bruce Pearls, Etc.   I mean, slick Rick is getting killed in the press, has already been fired and Zona and the rest are out of the lions eye.   I don't get it.  How are these guys keeping jobs.   Why haven't their recruits decommitted?   Why aren't they getting bad press.   Their response  " I'm Shocked" has been the same as Ricks.   I'm calling BS on all of them.   I'm confused??

Not to be picky but Pitino has not been fired, at least not yet.  He is not indefinite suspension and I believe he is still being paid. 

So their is a chance Rick does what Rick does best ... slimes through and remains 'villes head coach (or should I say crime boss).

[StillAWarrior]

Not to be picky but Pitino has not been fired, at least not yet.  He is not indefinite suspension and I believe he is still being paid. 

So their is a chance Rick does what Rick does best ... slimes through and remains 'villes head coach (or should I say crime boss).

He is on unpaid administrative leave.  Under his contract they couldn't fire him immediately.  They had to have a vote to fire him, which they did.  It was unanimous.  He will never coach another day at Louisville.

[muguru]

He's gone, was sent a letter of termination yesterday..

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/10/6/16439002/rick-pitino-louisville-president-greg-postel-letter-termination

[Tugg Speedman]

He's gone, was sent a letter of termination yesterday..

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/10/6/16439002/rick-pitino-louisville-president-greg-postel-letter-termination

Did not see that, thanks.

What are the chances he gets another head coaching job?  I think its above 0% but less than 50% (so I'm saying there is a chance!)

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Did not see that, thanks.

What are the chances he gets another head coaching job?  I think its above 0% but less than 50% (so I'm saying there is a chance!)

In Division 1 college? I think he's done. Maybe he could become an NBA assistant and eventually a head coach again, but I doubt it.

[B. McBannerson]

That Jurich / Pitino story is ridiculous.  I've read a lot about how great an AD that guy is, but if he is so good and worth so much money, how come his program can't make money without University support?

But this is a chronic problem at Louisville, who seems to feel it's appropriate to overpay for everyone.  Their President, for instance, was making 2 1/2 times the average of all other ACC presidents.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2015/07/10/ramseys-pay-dwarfs-others-acc/29974859/

Terrible lack of oversight by the University's governing board.  *That* is ultimately where the problem lies.

The argument Louisville has made is they aren't really an ACC school academically (true) and even athletically (semi-true) and required higher pay to lure the type of people to the campus to get them to an ACC level.  They've made this argument prior to joining the ACC, but it isn't wholly without some merit.  Louisville was not a well regarded academic institution a 10 to 15 years ago.  They poured considerable resources into athletics and high level positions in an attempt over the long haul to close that gap by making a big splash, recruit nationally, shore up academics and all boats would rise as a result.  That required over payment, at least that has been their argument internally.

[forgetful]

The argument Louisville has made is they aren't really an ACC school academically (true) and even athletically (semi-true) and required higher pay to lure the type of people to the campus to get them to an ACC level.  They've made this argument prior to joining the ACC, but it isn't wholly without some merit.  Louisville was not a well regarded academic institution a 10 to 15 years ago.  They poured considerable resources into athletics and high level positions in an attempt over the long haul to close that gap by making a big splash, recruit nationally, shore up academics and all boats would rise as a result.  That required over payment, at least that has been their argument internally.

Did they make similar efforts to improve academics?  No!  Even though they have lower quality faculty and faculty salaries, they froze faculty raise pools to a maximum of 2%. 

The "required over payment" is BS.  It was simply a way to try to justify pouring tons of cash into athletics and to make the power brokers more powerful.  It had nothing to do with performance or academics, indeed it hurt academics.

[Dawson Rental]

Did not see that, thanks.

What are the chances he gets another head coaching job? I think its above 0% but less than 50% (so I'm saying there is a chance!)

0%

Assuming he gets hit with NCAA violations, the NCAA show-cause penalty would essentially make him unhireable.  Even if he didn't have that problem, I doubt he'd need the money bad enough to start over - particularly at his age - at the level of school that would be desparate enough to hire him.

[Jay Bee]

Two Louisville assistants suspended ...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20935925/louisville-cardinals-place-assistant-coaches-kenny-johnson-jordan-fair-paid-leave

Kenny Johnson was Crean's direct report at I4... hmmmm

[B. McBannerson]

Did they make similar efforts to improve academics?  No!  Even though they have lower quality faculty and faculty salaries, they froze faculty raise pools to a maximum of 2%. 

The "required over payment" is BS.  It was simply a way to try to justify pouring tons of cash into athletics and to make the power brokers more powerful.  It had nothing to do with performance or academics, indeed it hurt academics.

We are in agreement that what they say and what they did are two different things.  They have tried to use athletics to drive the school's brand.  It has worked from a nationally recognized school perspective.  Football has taken an enormous step up in the last 15 years.  Their goal was to have that drive academic progress, too.  That hasn't happened, at least not yet.  In terms of the freeze, how long has that been in effect?  My company also has 2% max freezes that have been going on for at least the last 5 years.

[B. McBannerson]

Kenny Johnson was Crean's direct report at I4... hmmmm

Buzz Williams was Crean's direct report at MU.  Pattern?

[forgetful]

We are in agreement that what they say and what they did are two different things.  They have tried to use athletics to drive the school's brand.  It has worked from a nationally recognized school perspective.  Football has taken an enormous step up in the last 15 years.  Their goal was to have that drive academic progress, too.  That hasn't happened, at least not yet.  In terms of the freeze, how long has that been in effect?  My company also has 2% max freezes that have been going on for at least the last 5 years.

It has also been going on for 5-years.  I wouldn't have a problem with it if it also applied to administrators/coaches/athletic staff. 

But it doesn't, all those groups are exempt from the salary freezes and have been seeing in some cases double digit gains.