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real chili 83

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 05, 2017, 11:13:49 PM
Let's see if this gets shifted to Federal Court via EEOC.

This isn't an EEOC matter. It's contract law

warriorchick

Quote from: real chili 83 on May 06, 2017, 09:10:09 AM
This isn't an EEOC matter. It's contract law

And I think it would a little tough for him to prove some sort of protected class discrimination.  The only thing he has going for him in that regard is age, and it's not like he is the only old white guy that works for the university.  On top of that, I don't believe he has raised that claim before, and wouldn't it be a little late in the game to do that now?
Have some patience, FFS.

Archies Bat

#102
Quote from: warriorchick on May 06, 2017, 09:29:57 AM
And I think it would a little tough for him to prove some sort of protected class discrimination.  The only thing he has going for him in that regard is age, and it's not like he is the only old white guy that works for the university.  On top of that, I don't believe he has raised that claim before, and wouldn't it be a little late in the game to do that now?

An EEOC complaint generally needs to be filed to the EEOC within 180 days, and can be extended to 300 days under certain circumstances.  If the EEOC decides not to act on a complaint, they typically issue a right to sue notice, which means the EEOC sees no basis for the complaint, but the employee can sue anyway.  I'm not sure if someone has the right to sue if they fail to file with the EEOC.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: real chili 83 on May 06, 2017, 09:10:09 AM
This isn't an EEOC matter. It's contract law

I could be wrong, and this situation is confusing, but I thought EEOC complaints were lodged against him? Obviously, this specific case is McAdam's so sorry to muddle the thread.

LloydsLegs

As a non WI lawyer, I am surprised by the certainty with which some posters are positing that the WI S Ct will take the case. In most jurisdictions, there is a right to a first level of appeal for most cases, including those for breach of contract.  The next level requires acceptance by the S Ct of a Petition. Those Petitiins are very rarely granted, especially in civil cases, and in most instances involve a division among circuits, a state constitutional issue, or an interpretation of a statute. Is WI different in this regard?

forgetful

Quote from: LloydsLegs on May 06, 2017, 12:08:57 PM
As a non WI lawyer, I am surprised by the certainty with which some posters are positing that the WI S Ct will take the case. In most jurisdictions, there is a right to a first level of appeal for most cases, including those for breach of contract.  The next level requires acceptance by the S Ct of a Petition. Those Petitiins are very rarely granted, especially in civil cases, and in most instances involve a division among circuits, a state constitutional issue, or an interpretation of a statute. Is WI different in this regard?

I was wondering the same thing.  I see very little reason for why the S Ct would even here this case, but do not know the ins and outs of the WI legal system.

Ellenson Guerrero

Quote from: LloydsLegs on May 06, 2017, 12:08:57 PM
As a non WI lawyer, I am surprised by the certainty with which some posters are positing that the WI S Ct will take the case. In most jurisdictions, there is a right to a first level of appeal for most cases, including those for breach of contract.  The next level requires acceptance by the S Ct of a Petition. Those Petitiins are very rarely granted, especially in civil cases, and in most instances involve a division among circuits, a state constitutional issue, or an interpretation of a statute. Is WI different in this regard?

The rule in Wisconsin is similar to that you describe.  But you only need three votes to accept a petition.  McAdams certainly has that in Gabbleman, Kelly, and R. Bradley.
"What we take for-granted, others pray for..." - Brent Williams 3/30/14

Ellenson Guerrero

Interesting that George Will decided to pick up this story in the Washington Post while McAdams' petition is pending before the Wisconsin Supreme Court:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/academic-freedom-goes-on-trial/2017/12/29/81cb9268-ebf6-11e7-9f92-10a2203f6c8d_story.html?utm_term=.b3dfcc4c0061.
"What we take for-granted, others pray for..." - Brent Williams 3/30/14

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cheebs09

Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on December 29, 2017, 11:47:09 PM
Interesting that George Will decided to pick up this story in the Washington Post while McAdams' petition is pending before the Wisconsin Supreme Court:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/academic-freedom-goes-on-trial/2017/12/29/81cb9268-ebf6-11e7-9f92-10a2203f6c8d_story.html?utm_term=.b3dfcc4c0061.

That picture with the article will do wonders for recruiting.

warriorchick

Quote from: cheebs09 on December 30, 2017, 07:51:10 AM
That picture with the article will do wonders for recruiting.

Because most recruits read the Washington Post?

Have some patience, FFS.

jsglow

George Will is typically a well reasoned, serious analyst.  I don't always agree with him but recognize his serious examination of the issues at hand.  This particular editorial piece is sloppy to a level usually reserved for 'bomb throwers' who have nothing to contribute except to reinforce some predetermined agenda.  Mark me down as disappointed.

WarriorDad

Quote from: jsglow on December 30, 2017, 11:39:38 AM
George Will is typically a well reasoned, serious analyst.  I don't always agree with him but recognize his serious examination of the issues at hand.  This particular editorial piece is sloppy to a level usually reserved for 'bomb throwers' who have nothing to contribute except to reinforce some predetermined agenda.  Mark me down as disappointed.

As a lifelong Democrat, mark me down as perpetually disappointed with George Will. 
"No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth."
— Plato

cheebs09


GGGG

Quote from: jsglow on December 30, 2017, 11:39:38 AM
George Will is typically a well reasoned, serious analyst.  I don't always agree with him but recognize his serious examination of the issues at hand.  This particular editorial piece is sloppy to a level usually reserved for 'bomb throwers' who have nothing to contribute except to reinforce some predetermined agenda.  Mark me down as disappointed.


Complete with the mocking of her dissertation topic.

jsglow

Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 30, 2017, 11:55:16 AM

Complete with the mocking of her dissertation topic.

I know, hey?  Seriously, I accuse some on the left as being nothing but empty bomb throwing boobs.  That's all Will did from the right here.  Not a word of serious examination.  Nothing but talking points.

jsglow

Quote from: WarriorDad on December 30, 2017, 11:45:06 AM
As a lifelong Democrat, mark me down as perpetually disappointed with George Will.

Not quite sure how to respond to this other than to say that I saw the McAdams situation as a completely apolitical issue.  Somehow in our culture political opinion or 'taking sides' seems to supercede everything such as the 'rule of law' or written 'employee codes of conduct'.  I reject the notion that truth or employment rules or whatever are ever at the whim of a political majority or those that simply shout the loudest.

Many years ago I had great personal regard for John and considered him a mentor.  Saddened that's no longer true.

MUBurrow

#117
On another note, can this please put a nail in the coffin of the tired refrain that liberal judges are "activist" while conservative judges "call balls and strikes"?  Here we have a conservative firebrand academic filing an appeal from a lower court contract claim decision on the basis of:

QuoteBecause there is almost no Wisconsin case law concerning academic freedom that could have guided the circuit court, McAdams is asking the state supreme court to bypass the appeals court and perform its function as the state's "law-developing court." He is also asking the court to be cognizant of the cultural context: Nationwide, colleges and universities "are under pressure" — all of it from within the institutions — "to enact or implement speech codes or otherwise restrict speech in various ways."

I don't have a problem with McAdams making this argument, and I don't necessarily have a problem with a well-reasoned opinion that comes down on either side. But it highlights that courts of last resort grant petitions for review when there are open questions of law. If McAdams doesn't think taking this case and deciding for him is activist, then I struggle to come up with a useful definition of what "activist" actually is.

Edit to include the last part of Will's article on this:
QuoteThe wreckage she left in her wake illustrates how rights are imperiled when judicial deference becomes dereliction of judicial duty... Wisconsin's Supreme Court must lay down the law that can stop some of the rot this case illustrates.

To be fair, George Will once wrote an article titled "Judicial activism isn't a bad thing" so he's not necessarily offender #1 on this. But at the point where conservative academics are requesting relief by way of the court's function as "law developing" considering "cultural context" and conservative political commentators are saying judicial activism is a good thing, I think its time we just retire the term altogether.

MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: WarriorDad on December 30, 2017, 11:45:06 AM
As a lifelong Democrat, mark me down as perpetually disappointed with George Will.

George Will hasn't been reasonable in 20 years.
He should stick to baseball.

warriorchick

Quote from: jsglow on December 30, 2017, 12:01:16 PM
I know, hey?  Seriously, I accuse some on the left as being nothing but empty bomb throwing boobs.  That's all Will did from the right here.  Not a word of serious examination.  Nothing but talking points.

Probably needed to bang out one last article before leaving for a the holidays and took the easiest way out.
Have some patience, FFS.

warriorchick

Quote from: cheebs09 on December 30, 2017, 11:52:32 AM
Sheesh. I guess I'll use teal next time.

You shouldn't need to use teal, but unfortunately, there are posters on Scoop who say stuff like that and actually mean it.
Have some patience, FFS.

Ellenson Guerrero

Quote from: MUBurrow on December 30, 2017, 12:44:57 PM
On another note, can this please put a nail in the coffin of the tired refrain that liberal judges are "activist" while conservative judges "call balls and strikes?"

Not quite sure how an article from a member of the media could establish this, but okay.
"What we take for-granted, others pray for..." - Brent Williams 3/30/14

mayfairskatingrink


TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on December 30, 2017, 06:08:49 PM
Yeah, it was such a serious topic.

I'm sensing sarcasm. Why is animal rights a non-serious topic?
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TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


mayfairskatingrink

#124
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on May 06, 2017, 02:51:55 PM
The rule in Wisconsin is similar to that you describe.  But you only need three votes to accept a petition.  McAdams certainly has that in Gabbleman, Kelly, and R. Bradley.

A few updates on what is going on now....

---the court is now reading petitions for review for an Appeals Court bypass, which requires four votes to take the case

--one of the conservative justices is leaning towards recusal. 


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