2017-2018 OOC Schedule

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Northern Illinois was announced 20 minutes ago.

11/4: vs. Lindenwood (exhibition)
11/10: vs. Mount St. Marys
11/14: vs. Purdue
11/20 - 11/22: THREE MAUI GAMES
11/27: vs. Eastern Illinois
11/29: vs. Chicago State
12/2: vs. Georgia
12/5: vs. Vermont
12/9: @ Wisconsin
12/18: vs. Northern Illinois

Then you have vs. American on some date in between NIU and BE play. 

[brewcity77]

Northern Illinois is another decent add. They did lose three starters, one to graduation and two to transfer, but return enough to stay competitive, including Jaylen Key, son of former Marquette star Damon.

The MAC hasn't had a single sub-300 kenpom team in five years. They are unspectacular, but also undoubtedly solid.

[jsglow]

Lots of Illinois directional going on there.

[brewcity77]

Also, this game will be played on Monday, December 18. From what I understand of what Nukem and glow are saying, Froling won't be eligible until Tuesday, December 19 after grades have posted to CheckMarq.

So the question becomes if Harry plays in this game. I am confident he will be eligible and play despite this being before the scheduled release of grades. Anyone disagree?

[mu03eng]

Lots of Illinois directional going on there.

We're fixing your debt problem one buy game at a time 

[Nukem2]

Also, this game will be played on Monday, December 18. From what I understand of what Nukem and glow are saying, Froling won't be eligible until Tuesday, December 19 after grades have posted to CheckMarq.

So the question becomes if Harry plays in this game. I am confident he will be eligible and play despite this being before the scheduled release of grades. Anyone disagree?

I don't think glow is correct.  The semester will be officially over.  Whether there is "preferential" treatment as to release of grades is a non-starter here as its not an NCAA issue. The NCAA/eligibility issue is the completion of the academic year in residence. And, Harry would have completed that. Some non-athletes could complain, but that's not going anywhere. I think you will see Harry playing on 12/18 because he will have completed his eligibility requirements ( along with help from the staff in getting those grades).  Jusy what it is.

P.S., once again under Wojo there is no Saturday game after the UW game as per my earlier post.  Guess he just does not want to have one of those ultra-sloppy post-exam-week games due to lack of practice time..  Also, helps Harry to be eligible for one more game.... 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

NIU is a solid though not great add. I expect them to finish in the bottom third of the MAC. They'll probably end up in the mid 200s for RPI if I had to guess (not that opponent's RPI actually matters).

Not a bad schedule. There are some potential pitfalls because the good games are really good and the bad games are really bad. If I had to sort them into tiers I would match them like this:

Legitimate Challenges (loss likely to probable)
Purdue
Wichita State (Maui)
Notre Dame (Maui)
Michigan (Maui)
@Wisconsin

Hard Fought Wins (loss unlikely but probable)
VCU (Maui)
LSU (Maui)
Cal (Maui)
Georgia
Vermont

Solid Buy Games (loss extremely unlikely)
Mount St Mary's
Eastern Illinois
Northern Illinois

Clunkers (loss=Hiroshima)
Chicago State
American

Doesn't Effect RPI
Lindenwood
Chaminade (Maui)

A lot depends on the placement in Maui. Got to find a way to get at least one win from that top tier. Even if we sweep the other tiers, OOC resume doesn't look good if our top win is Georgia or Vermont at home. Ideally, we get matched with LSU, Cal, or VCU in the first round.That gives us a solid OOC win in the first round and likely two shots at top tier teams in the 2nd and 3rd round.

[brewcity77]

I don't think glow is correct.  The semester will be officially over.  Whether there is "preferential" treatment as to release of grades is a non-starter here as its not an NCAA issue. The NCAA/eligibility issue is the completion of the academic year in residence. And, Harry would have completed that. Some non-athletes could complain, but that's not going anywhere. I think you will see Harry playing on 12/18 because he will have completed his eligibility requirements ( along with help from the staff in getting those grades).  Jusy what it is.

He will complete those requirements once he takes his last final. So at the latest, he will be eligible Saturday. The only thing that materially changes between his last final (which at the latest will be Saturday, but could be days earlier) and Tuesday is the official release of grades.

[brewcity77]

I don't think glow is correct.

And if you don't think glow is correct, why did you specifically refer me to his post a few hours ago? 

See what jsglow posted.

[Nukem2]

And if you don't think glow is correct, why did you specifically refer me to his post a few hours ago? 

changed my mind, that's all.  In any event, Harry could not have played on the 16th since the academic semester was not over.  The NCAA does not have mid-day criteria. 

[brewcity77]

changed my mind, that's all.  In any event, Harry could not have played on the 16th since the academic semester was not over.  The NCAA does not have mid-day criteria.

Nor do they have an end of semester criteria. I linked it. Once work is done, he's eligible. Go back and read the rule. If you find something that contradicts it in the rules, please share.

[Jay Bee]

Nor do they have an end of semester criteria. I linked it. Once work is done, he's eligible. Go back and read the rule. If you find something that contradicts it in the rules, please share.

Once work is done **and results are known**

[muguru]

Once work is done **and results are known**

I have no idea what is what in regards to this..I don't know who's right and who's wrong here, and frankly I don't really care..but my question is...JayBee you say *and results are known*. Couldn't it be that Harry and MU Coaches know his results before they are OFFICIALLY posted?? In that case, what's the difference??

[marquette20]

Once work is done **and results are known**

Students have acess to results on Tuesday, but they are known well in advance.

[brewcity77]

Once work is done **and results are known**

Right. Either way, specific dates are artificial deadlines. Heck, if he had 4 independent study classes, he could probably be eligible before finals even begin, from a hypothetical perspective.

[Nukem2]

Right. Either way, specific dates are artificial deadlines. Heck, if he had 4 independent study classes, he could probably be eligible before finals even begin, from a hypothetical perspective.

Does not work that way.  It's the school's regular calendar/schedule. 

[mu03eng]

Anonymous Eagle confirms Froling will be eligible to play on the 18th

https://twitter.com/AnonymousEagle/status/885581680047771649

[Nukem2]

Anonymous Eagle confirms Froling will be eligible to play on the 18th

https://twitter.com/AnonymousEagle/status/885581680047771649

Wel yeah, duh......

[brewcity77]

Does not work that way.  It's the school's regular calendar/schedule.

Provide evidence. So far I've given the NCAA rules, which are now supported by the Anonymous Eagle report. You've provided opinion and conjecture.

Provide evidence. Otherwise you may as well be saying the sky is green.

[Bocephys]

Provide evidence. So far I've given the NCAA rules, which are now supported by the Anonymous Eagle report. You've provided opinion and conjecture.

Provide evidence. Otherwise you may as well be saying the sky is green.

[jsglow]

Also, this game will be played on Monday, December 18. From what I understand of what Nukem and glow are saying, Froling won't be eligible until Tuesday, December 19 after grades have posted to CheckMarq.

So the question becomes if Harry plays in this game. I am confident he will be eligible and play despite this being before the scheduled release of grades. Anyone disagree?

I guess we'll all see together.

[Jay Bee]

I guess we'll all see together.

Let's make some wagers.

There are two things going on -- we could bet whether or not Harry plays on 12/18. I'd bet on the "he will" side.

The other and frankly more interesting question is "when could he play?", which I believe is earlier than 12/18, but there likely won't be a game on the schedule that will provide proof to some of you.

[jsglow]

Let's make some wagers.

There are two things going on -- we could bet whether or not Harry plays on 12/18. I'd bet on the "he will" side.

The other and frankly more interesting question is "when could he play?", which I believe is earlier than 12/18, but there likely won't be a game on the schedule that will provide proof to some of you.

JB, I honestly don't care that much. I hope he plays.  Clearly all his exams will be over and his course work completed.  If Wojo wants to ask the 4-5 professors to turn in Harry's grades on Monday morning then I'll all for it.  I'm sure as brew pointed out that he's eligible as soon as his semester is officially over (last exam) and his grades are posted.  I'm simply pointing out that for all 'regular' kids that happens Tuesday at 5.

[GGGG]

Brew, Marquette isn't going to post grades early for one basketball player and field all the calls about 'special treatment'.  Tuesday, December 19th at 5p, just like every single other student my good man.  If there's a game that night, he plays.

Glow you also said this.

The number of calls from people complaining about "preferential treatment" will be close to zero.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Glow you also said this.

The number of calls from people complaining about "preferential treatment" will be close to zero.

And if they do get calls, remind the callers that for every $1 spent on basketball, Marquette makes $7. If their ADPR major child can match that ROI then they can complain.