Bad to worse for Georgetown

[warriorchick]

DePaul did the same thing with the Meyers and look where it got them.

Yikes!

DePaul waited too long before pulling the trigger.  Georgetown should take note.

[🏀]

Georgetown > Illinois

Why?

D.C. versus Champaign-Urbana.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Georgetown > Illinois

Why?

D.C. versus Champaign-Urbana.

Crap city yes, but Chambana is one hell of a weekend.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

The only way for everybody to save face is for JTIII to resign .
His firing would be a public relations nightmare. 

[mu-rara]

Lower level contact in G'Town athletics says he is only fired if JT Jr. endorses.  Resignation is possible.  JT Jr. still has a lot of power.

Nothing the astute observers on Scoop haven't already come up with.

[keefe]

Sometimes you have to make a clean break.  I think now is the time.

glow

While I do not disagree with you, as a Prep alum, I know for a fact that Jr is a water walker who exerts incredible influence in many areas within that ecosystem.

Pissing off Jr would be worse than Marquette alienating Al in that Al stayed in touch after coaching but wasn't involved in the strategic direction of the program and the university. Jr is very much a part of GU's leadership.

For what it's worth, III has a .700 winning record at GU and single-handedly got the new practice facility built. It is a magnificent facility which happens to be named for his father.

The discussion within GU circles focuses on this question: If not JTIII then who?

GU alums place a huge amount of blame for the program's downturn on the conference. They will tell you that JTIII has a decade of national prominence, including 7 straight top ten seasons; the hard times began with the collapse of the Big East.

The decline in luster is directly correlated with the NBE and if they fire III they are more likely to get a Craig Esherick than a successful, established, proven DI winner.

JTIII's biggest issue is that his team's stopped playing defense - they have ranked near the bottom for the past 4 seasons (sound familiar??) But III runs a clean program, he is a fantastic ambassador of the university, the administration and alums respect him, and he has demonstrated a willingness to alter his tactical reliance on Princeton sets.

The Waters defection is concerning because GU has long been known as a big man program - a rep that became more acute under III due to his Princeton style offense. A highly rated PG committing to III was crucial as it coincided with his willingness to push the ball more in transition as well as implementing a full court press on defense.

I am certain that Jr, DiGioia, and Reed have had a long conversation with III about the state of the program and his stewardship of it. I think he gets one more year, at least, to get his sh1t together. Losing Waters will hurt because much of their recent struggles on offense have been entirely due to the lack of an actual PG.

[GGGG]

Marquette had no reason to alienate Al.  Allie McGuire wasn't coaching the team, leading to poorer results by the year however.  What's happening at Georgetown is similar to what happened at DePaul.  They are hoping that the son of a legend can regain form and lead them to more positive results. But using history as a guide, DePaul waiting too long to jettison Joey Meyer.  Georgetown would be well versed to learn some lessons from them.

Why would the Big East bear the brunt of the blame for the regression of Big East basketball?  That makes no sense.  Their recruiting has been fine.  Other teams have handled the transition just fine.   

And regardless, what choice does Georgetown have?  Are they going to drop to the A10?  They either have adapt or continue to be mediocre.

[StillAWarrior]

...and single-handedly got the new practice facility built. It is a magnificent facility which happens to be named for his father.

Crash, have you seen/toured?  I haven't, but I heard it's outstanding.  Rave reviews and increased excitement at our place.

[wadesworld]

Peak as gowne as Hank was the second he committed to MU ai'na?

[GooooMarquette]

GU alums place a huge amount of blame for the program's downturn on the conference. They will tell you that JTIII has a decade of national prominence, including 7 straight top ten seasons; the hard times began with the collapse of the Big East.

I don't doubt that GTown fans feel that way, but the reality is that the conference is still very strong.  In fact, if the conference is as weak as their theory would indicate, they should be dominating it year after year (like Wichita State, Gonzaga or Memphis before the AAC).  Instead, they've moved from a top-half team in the conference to a bottom-half team. 

Yes, it was a hit to lose teams like UConn, UL, and Cuse, but GTown fans can't realistically blame their team's demise on the realignment.

[MU82]

Yes, it was a hit to lose teams like UConn, UL, and Cuse, but GTown fans can't realistically blame their team's demise on the realignment.

95% (at least) of fans aren't realistic.

[GooooMarquette]

95% (at least) of fans aren't realistic.

Hard to argue with that....

[muwarrior69]

I don't doubt that GTown fans feel that way, but the reality is that the conference is still very strong.  In fact, if the conference is as weak as their theory would indicate, they should be dominating it year after year (like Wichita State, Gonzaga or Memphis before the AAC).  Instead, they've moved from a top-half team in the conference to a bottom-half team. 

Yes, it was a hit to lose teams like UConn, UL, and Cuse, but GTown fans can't realistically blame their team's demise on the realignment.

It was a hit for Gtown not so much for the Conference. UConn and Syracuse were their rivals, but both programs as is Gtown are all struggling right now. Once Pitino retires UL won't be the same as they are now as well.

[Galway Eagle]

It was a hit for Gtown not so much for the Conference. UConn and Syracuse were their rivals, but both programs as is Gtown are all struggling right now. Once Pitino retires UL won't be the same as they are now as well.

I'm sure that was said about Denny Crum. Great history, decent city, one of the two greatest college basketball rivalries and the ACC. It'll be fine.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Tremont Waters named CT Gatorade player of the year.

(Corrected.  That's what I get typing on my phone in the middle of a super visit.)

[LAZER]

It was a hit for Gtown not so much for the Conference. UConn and Syracuse were their rivals, but both programs as is Gtown are all struggling right now. Once Pitino retires UL won't be the same as they are now as well.

I know several GU alums who are big basketball fans and I've never heard them use the NBE as an excuse for recent struggles.

IMO it's probably best for Georgetown to give JTIII another year and then move on once they likely have another bad year.  They might be afraid of the alternative, but the status quo is pretty brutal right now.

[brewcity77]

Casual Hoyas saying they have unconfirmed reports JTIII has been fired.

[JWags85]

Reporting on ESPN.

[jesmu84]

glow

While I do not disagree with you, as a Prep alum, I know for a fact that Jr is a water walker who exerts incredible influence in many areas within that ecosystem.

Pissing off Jr would be worse than Marquette alienating Al in that Al stayed in touch after coaching but wasn't involved in the strategic direction of the program and the university. Jr is very much a part of GU's leadership.

For what it's worth, III has a .700 winning record at GU and single-handedly got the new practice facility built. It is a magnificent facility which happens to be named for his father.

The discussion within GU circles focuses on this question: If not JTIII then who?

GU alums place a huge amount of blame for the program's downturn on the conference. They will tell you that JTIII has a decade of national prominence, including 7 straight top ten seasons; the hard times began with the collapse of the Big East.

The decline in luster is directly correlated with the NBE and if they fire III they are more likely to get a Craig Esherick than a successful, established, proven DI winner.

JTIII's biggest issue is that his team's stopped playing defense - they have ranked near the bottom for the past 4 seasons (sound familiar??) But III runs a clean program, he is a fantastic ambassador of the university, the administration and alums respect him, and he has demonstrated a willingness to alter his tactical reliance on Princeton sets.

The Waters defection is concerning because GU has long been known as a big man program - a rep that became more acute under III due to his Princeton style offense. A highly rated PG committing to III was crucial as it coincided with his willingness to push the ball more in transition as well as implementing a full court press on defense.

I am certain that Jr, DiGioia, and Reed have had a long conversation with III about the state of the program and his stewardship of it. I think he gets one more year, at least, to get his sh1t together. Losing Waters will hurt because much of their recent struggles on offense have been entirely due to the lack of an actual PG.

Are we still on the topic of hubris?

First Washington, now this.

[Efficient Frontier]

I could see Crean fitting in great at G'town.

- Tight with Paul T (running the search)
- Big East experience
- Fresh energy to the program
- Fans are more patient out east

Calling it now (no teal): Crean to Georgetown

[4everwarriors]

Crean ta Gannon Community College, hey?

[Babybluejeans]

I could see Crean fitting in great at G'town.

- Tight with Paul T (running the search)
- Big East experience
- Fresh energy to the program
- Fans are more patient out east

Calling it now (no teal): Crean to Georgetown

Ha. Not a chance.

[keefe]

Crash, have you seen/toured?  I haven't, but I heard it's outstanding.  Rave reviews and increased excitement at our place.

I did. It is magnificent. Caters to all sports. Very, very well done.

[keefe]

I don't doubt that GTown fans feel that way, but the reality is that the conference is still very strong.  In fact, if the conference is as weak as their theory would indicate, they should be dominating it year after year (like Wichita State, Gonzaga or Memphis before the AAC).  Instead, they've moved from a top-half team in the conference to a bottom-half team. 

Yes, it was a hit to lose teams like UConn, UL, and Cuse, but GTown fans can't realistically blame their team's demise on the realignment.

Unlike others here, I am sure you understand I am relating the views of friends of mine who matriculated at GU. There is a pronounced view among GU alums that the conference is diminished in stature. In fact, they are correct in that view. But to suggest that is correlated to the downturn in GU hoops is problematic.

The Big East is nothing like the old conference. But that isn't the primary reason why GU is struggling on the court.

[tower912]

Diminished in stature in the same way that Golden State isn't having as good a regular season as they had a year ago.    The Big East of 8-10 years ago was amazing.     No doubt about it.    And then it collapsed due to the money grab that is football.   The current iteration of the Big East, though not the same, is still damn good (see conference rankings this year and Villanova last year) and the absolute best that non-football schools within a certain geographic footprint could have achieved.   To complain about it and blame it for a downturn in basketball fortunes labels you as a whiner. 
   It will be interesting to see who Georgetown gets to be their next coach.    And whoever it is, it will be a measuring stick and should send a message to fans of other Big East programs to be careful before clamoring to be rid of their current coach.