Seed

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

So the committee dislikes the Big East and likes the Big 10. So teams with vastly inferior resumes from the Big Ten will get placed over more qualified teams from the Big East?

Yes. All highly respected coaches the committee. Except PC of course, the committee loves Cooley.

[wadesworld]

The committee loves the B1G so much they had 0 of them in the top 4 seeds in the "bracket preview!" Old habits. Hard dying. Or something.

[Herman Cain]

So the committee dislikes the Big East and likes the Big 10. So teams with vastly inferior resumes from the Big Ten will get placed over more qualified teams from the Big East?

As I have stated many many times I am a huge Big  East Fan . I love the quality of our conference.  There are 10 guys on that committee.  The Big East representative is from Creighton.  The guys who represent the power 5 football schools are going to be pounding the table in unison especially since many of them have down years.  Hence , we have to be a solid choice given our lack of rpi and lack of 20 win status.  That is why the Xavier win is so huge for us. Really helps solidify our top 50 wins which Coach Lavin said is the best most appealing part of our resume.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

As I have stated many many times I am a huge Big  East Fan . I love the quality of our conference.  There are 10 guys on that committee.  The Big East representative is from Creighton.  The guys who represent the power 5 football schools are going to be pounding the table in unison especially since many of them have down years.  Hence , we have to be a solid choice given our lack of rpi and lack of 20 win status.  That is why the Xavier win is so huge for us. Really helps solidify our top 50 wins which Coach Lavin said is the best most appealing part of our resume.

Not the Creighton sweep or Nova win?

Speaking of Lavin, my lord is he awful as a color guy. Unbelievably annoying.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I feel pretty good about getting a 10 seed.  Our resume stacks up pretty well with the 9 seeds that I wouldn't be surprised with a 9.  11 is worst case scenario but there is a bigger gap behind us than in front of us.

[MU Honey]

Marquette's top 50 wins are very misleading. They got both Creighton and Xavier when they were banged up. I think the committee will take that into consideration. So really the only impressive win was over Villanova. Marquette has too many bad losses and the RPI is at 58. I think Wojo and his boys will be on the outside looking in come Sunday.

[GoldenDieners32]

Kansas State beatin baylor not good for us

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Marquette's top 50 wins are very misleading. They got both Creighton and Xavier when they were banged up. I think the committee will take that into consideration. So really the only impressive win was over Villanova. Marquette has too many bad losses and the RPI is at 58. I think Wojo and his boys will be on the outside looking in come Sunday.

Wanna bet?

[GoldenDieners32]

We should be a little worried sunday i do not think we are a lock.

[Herman Cain]

Not the Creighton sweep or Nova win?

Speaking of Lavin, my lord is he awful as a color guy. Unbelievably annoying.

I really like Lavin he is very good and bullish on MU. Also Steven Bardo is keen on MU.

Creighton Sweep and Nova win are great for us. That is why I want Creighton to win tonight and Nova to romp the rest of the way.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Marquette's top 50 wins are very misleading. They got both Creighton and Xavier when they were banged up. I think the committee will take that into consideration. So really the only impressive win was over Villanova. Marquette has too many bad losses and the RPI is at 58. I think Wojo and his boys will be on the outside looking in come Sunday.

Both Creighton and Xavier beat Butler without their PGs.  So our wins mean something.

Temple got a 10 seed with an RPI of 60 last year.  So I am not concerned about that.  Heck, MU made it with an RPI of 64 in 2011.

[rocky_warrior]

I think Wojo and his boys will be on the outside looking in come Sunday.

Well, you also apparently think this...

Marquette just can't compete with SLU.

So lets just say I don't trust your opinion.

[brewcity77]

Lord, three years of being left out has really turned some Marquette fans irrational.

[mubb3434]

I think we will get a 10 or 11 (not Dayton). We have 8 top 50 wins...No one on the bubble even comes close to that. We also have a win over the #1 overall seed (who else can claim that)? I am sick of people discounting the Xavier and Creighton wins as well (Hopefully X beating Butler & Creighton beating PU helps people see that). Creighton would be a top 10 team with Mo, & Xavier would be a top 25 team with Sumner...It's not like they are both sub 75 teams without them...They are still solid teams.

[Newsdreams]

Is take Dayton.  Wojo and an NCaa bid in his 3rd year and confirmation of the vision he is selling would be a powerful thing.  Think Joey

Yup Joey I think would be on board to try make a run in ncaa with oLder brother Junior & Senior  (Sam) plus looks like Joey and Howard are really good friends

[GoldenDieners32]

If we make the tourney this year does anyone think we have made the same progress as Buzz?

[Newsdreams]

If we make the tourney this year does anyone think we have made the same progress as Buzz?

Very different set of circumstances and different visions really can't compare. But I bet Wojo is basically at spot per his plan presented in job interview.

[WayOfTheWarrior]

I think we will get a 10 or 11 (not Dayton). We have 8 top 50 wins...No one on the bubble even comes close to that. We also have a win over the #1 overall seed (who else can claim that)? I am sick of people discounting the Xavier and Creighton wins as well (Hopefully X beating Butler & Creighton beating PU helps people see that). Creighton would be a top 10 team with Mo, & Xavier would be a top 25 team with Sumner...It's not like they are both sub 75 teams without them...They are still solid teams.

Thank you!!

Also, some people need to stop citing RPI as the end all, be all to everything. Sure it's lower than we would like, but c'mon!

#10NoDayton

[wadesworld]

Thank you!!

Also, some people need to stop citing RPI as the end all, be all to everything. Sure it's lower than we would like, but c'mon!

#10NoDayton

Not to mention, there have been much worse RPIs to get in and to avoid the play in games in the past than what we currently have.

[Benny B]

Contemplating the 24 teams voted in on the initial ballot... assuming everyone on the committee voted for all 26 teams, in taking the top 26 from the five main metrics (KP, AP, RPI, BPI, & Sagarin), 21 teams are a consensus.  Most of the teams that didn't appear in the top 26 in all five are generally those that appeared in the 20-30 range on each, with one notable outlier... Wichita State.  WSU is the only team that did not appear in the top 26 in one metric but was top 20 in each of the other five metrics.  So of the teams that appeared on at least one top 26 list (but not all), Wichita State is - by considerable distance - the class of that group.  So that's 22 (essentially, the list is the KenPom top 26 minus OKSt, ISU, UW-Madison, and Michigan)

Looking again at Wichita State, the one metric that excluded them from the top 26 happens to be RPI.  So if you include the Shockers and discount RPI, there are two additional teams that would be consensus top 26 amongst the other four metrics: UW-Madison and ISU.

So let's assume the above comprise the 24 selected on the initial ballot... that would obviously signal the potential of a departure from strict adherence to RPI.  Obviously, this would bode well for Marquette as they pencil out to a consensus of around #30 in all the other metrics (KP-29, BPI-30, Sag-31).  "But Benny, how can you say it's a consensus because MU didn't even receive an AP vote." Quit whining.  If MU was the consensus #30, Marquette wouldn't receive any AP votes because you only vote on the top 25.

For those of you not paying attention at home, that's an 8-seed.

[BM1090]

Contemplating the 24 teams voted in on the initial ballot... assuming everyone on the committee voted for all 26 teams, in taking the top 26 from the five main metrics (KP, AP, RPI, BPI, & Sagarin), 21 teams are a consensus.  Most of the teams that didn't appear in the top 26 in all five are generally those that appeared in the 20-30 range on each, with one notable outlier... Wichita State.  WSU is the only team that did not appear in the top 26 in one metric but was top 20 in each of the other five metrics.  So of the teams that appeared on at least one top 26 list (but not all), Wichita State is - by considerable distance - the class of that group.  So that's 22 (essentially, the list is the KenPom top 26 minus OKSt, ISU, UW-Madison, and Michigan)

Looking again at Wichita State, the one metric that excluded them from the top 26 happens to be RPI.  So if you include the Shockers and discount RPI, there are two additional teams that would be consensus top 26 amongst the other four metrics: UW-Madison and ISU.

So let's assume the above comprise the 24 selected on the initial ballot... that would obviously signal the potential of a departure from strict adherence to RPI.  Obviously, this would bode well for Marquette as they pencil out to a consensus of around #30 in all the other metrics (KP-29, BPI-30, Sag-31).  "But Benny, how can you say it's a consensus because MU didn't even receive an AP vote." Quit whining.  If MU was the consensus #30, Marquette wouldn't receive any AP votes because you only vote on the top 25.

For those of you not paying attention at home, that's an 8-seed.

I'll start by saying it's been a long day and my brain isn't fully working, so sorry if I'm missing something. But....

Wichita State won their conference tournament. They aren't an at-large and wouldn't be on the initial teams selected list, correct?

[Benny B]

I'll start by saying it's been a long day and my brain isn't fully working, so sorry if I'm missing something. But....

Wichita State won their conference tournament. They aren't an at-large and wouldn't be on the initial teams selected list, correct?

The initial ballot teams are voted irrespective of conference tournament results (real or projected); either way, it was taken before Wichita State won their tournament.

[CTWarrior]

Thank you!!

Also, some people need to stop citing RPI as the end all, be all to everything. Sure it's lower than we would like, but c'mon!

#10NoDayton

I think its strange that the NCAA determines your top 50 wins using RPI.  If were that useful a tool, they should just use it to put people in the tournament.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I think its strange that the NCAA determines your top 50 wins using RPI.  If were that useful a tool, they should just use it to put people in the tournament.

That is the paradox of the RPI.  Illinois St has a good RPI but beat no one.  Creighton has roughly the same RPI but has some good wins.

But both count as a top 50 win on your resume.  It makes no sense.

[Herman Cain]

That is the paradox of the RPI.  Illinois St has a good RPI but beat no one.  Creighton has roughly the same RPI but has some good wins.

But both count as a top 50 win on your resume.  It makes no sense.

Missouri Valley mandates that their schools play teams in the top half of RPI, which helps boost the general level of the conference.