Seed

[muwarrior69]

right now Joe has us playing Miami(7). I feel like this would be a terrible matchup

Well I hope Joe is right. Is Miami like Seton Hall?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

All these brackets have us in but that really doesn't matter. It only matters if the committee thinks we are in not a bunch of brackets people are predicting

Yes. But those bracket people are experts and historically have been very accurate.

The committee is human. Which means that a decision could come out of left field. I'd argue the times that it happens are very few and far between.

[forgetful]

right now Joe has us playing Miami(7). I feel like this would be a terrible matchup

I'm not certain that Miami is that far in front of us seed wise. 

Team         RPI       KP       Top50
Miami        40        31        4-10
MU            58        29        8-7

If they weight the Top50 higher (as has been suggested) we dominate them in top 50, Kenpom is a push and RPI we are significantly worse.  In the end, that looks closer to an 8/9 type seeding where its a coin toss (depending on what you weight more Top50 or RPI) of who gets what seed.

Our 8-7 mark against Top50 is why we could be anywhere from an 8-seed to 11-seed, depending on how things are weighted.

[muwarrior69]

I'm not certain that Miami is that far in front of us seed wise. 

Team         RPI       KP       Top50
Miami        40        31        4-10
MU            58        29        8-7

If they weight the Top50 higher (as has been suggested) we dominate them in top 50, Kenpom is a push and RPI we are significantly worse.  In the end, that looks closer to an 8/9 type seeding where its a coin toss (depending on what you weight more Top50 or RPI) of who gets what seed.

Our 8-7 mark against Top50 is why we could be anywhere from an 8-seed to 11-seed, depending on how things are weighted.

Anything but the dreaded 8/9 seed. My preference would be an 11 seed.

[Herman Cain]

You've been asked multiple times now but I'll try again. Who is getting in over us? I will hang up and listen for your response.

Wake Forest
Illinois
etc

[cheebs09]

Wake Forest
Illinois
etc

Wake is 3-9 against the Top 50 and Illinois is 3-8. The actual committee showed they valued Top 50 wins and did not view the Big Ten highly. I don't think there's any chance those two get in before us.

[tower912]

Frankie says Relax.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

We will be just like last Year,anxiously hoping for our NIT invite. I felt all along we need to get to 21 wins  to be certain and 20 just to be in the discussion. We might get lucky and Xavier will win the tournament so our two wins over them will be considered quality.  The outlook is cloudy for our team right now.

[tower912]

More performance art.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Wake Forest
Illinois
etc

Illinois?  FFS.

[Herman Cain]

Xavier saving our skin. They beat Butler.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Wake Forest
Illinois
etc

I thought you needed 20 wins just to be in the conversation? Wake has 19 and Illinois has 17.

Let's play the resume game:

Marquette:
RPI: 58
KP: 29
SOS: 39
Record: 19-12
Top 50: 8-7
Top 100: 9-10
Best Wins: NOVA (1), @CREI (30), @X (34)
Worst Losses: @SJU (124), @GTWN (108), PITT* (71)

Wake Forest:
RPI: 38
KP: 30
SOS: 14
Record: 19-13
Top 50: 3-9
Top 100: 8-13
Best Wins: LOU (6), @VT (46), MIA (40)
Worst Losses: @CUSE (86), CLEM (68), @CLEM (68)

Illinois:
RPI: 63
KP: 70
SOS: 21
Record: 17-14
Top 50: 3-9
Top 100: 10-13
Best Wins: VCU* (22), @NW (54), MICH (44)
Worst Losses: @RUT (158), PSU (99), @PSU (99)

I can see an argument for Wake Forest. But they are in the tournament already. They aren't stealing a spot from Marquette unless there are a ton of bid thieves. There is no argument for Illinois over Marquette.

Coming into today, the First Four Out were Illinois State, Kansas State, Iowa, and Illinois. 3 of those 4 teams are already done for the season. That means they can't play their win into the tournament. If Baylor takes care of Kansas State it will be 4/4. That means Teams from the Next Four Out will be the ones that have to rise and steal a bid from Marquette. That's a lot of distance to cover.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Xavier saving our skin. They beat Butler.

You really don't understand how the bubble works. We wanted Butler to win. Now Xavier could pass us.

[Herman Cain]

I thought you needed 20 wins just to be in the conversation? Wake has 19 and Illinois has 17.

Let's play the resume game:

Marquette:
RPI: 58
KP: 29
SOS: 39
Record: 19-12
Top 50: 8-7
Top 100: 9-10
Best Wins: NOVA (1), @CREI (30), @X (34)
Worst Losses: @SJU (124), @GTWN (108), PITT* (71)

Wake Forest:
RPI: 38
KP: 30
SOS: 14
Record: 19-13
Top 50: 3-9
Top 100: 8-13
Best Wins: LOU (6), @VT (46), MIA (40)
Worst Losses: @CUSE (86), CLEM (68), @CLEM (68)

Illinois:
RPI: 63
KP: 70
SOS: 21
Record: 17-14
Top 50: 3-9
Top 100: 10-13
Best Wins: VCU* (22), @NW (54), MICH (44)
Worst Losses: @RUT (158), PSU (99), @PSU (99)

I can see an argument for Wake Forest. But they are in the tournament already. They aren't stealing a spot from Marquette unless there are a ton of bid thieves. There is no argument for Illinois over Marquette.

Coming into today, the First Four Out were Illinois State, Kansas State, Iowa, and Illinois. 3 of those 4 teams are already done for the season. That means they can't play their win into the tournament. If Baylor takes care of Kansas State it will be 4/4. That means Teams from the Next Four Out will be the ones that have to rise and steal a bid from Marquette. That's a lot of distance to cover.

Xavier helping us greatly.

[GGGG]

You really don't understand how the bubble works. We wanted Butler to win. Now Xavier could pass us.

He does.  He is being very trollish lately.  People should really just ignore him.

[94Warrior]

Xavier saving our skin. They beat Butler.

How does Xavier winning help at all?  You do know we are in direct competition with them, right?

[Herman Cain]

How does Xavier winning help at all?  You do know we are in direct competition with them, right?

Lunardi said they are in now. We beat them twice so it helps our resume.

They don't call this march madness for nothing.

[tower912]

He does.  He is being very trollish lately.  People should really just ignore him.

Really embracing the alternative facts.

[Herman Cain]

Really embracing the alternative facts.

The only facts are that the committee tentatively posted their top 16 a while back. Beyond that it is all c@$ircle je#&rking.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Xavier helping us greatly.

No comment on how Illinois is a better resume than us huh?

[Herman Cain]

No comment on how Illinois is a better resume than us huh?

They are from the Big Ten. Old Habits die hard.

[94Warrior]

Lunardi said they are in now. We beat them twice so it helps our resume.

They don't call this march madness for nothing.

It helps their resume far more than it helps ours!!!!  We want teams around us to lose. 

For example:  Xavier,  Vandy, USC and Cal winning hurt us. 
We are lucky that Syracuse, Wake , Illinois St, and Iowa lost.
We don't want Providence or K State to win.

[GGGG]

It helps their resume far more than it helps ours!!!!  We want teams around us to lose. 

For example:  Xavier,  Vandy, USC and Cal winning hurt us. 
We are lucky that Syracuse, Wake , Illinois St, and Iowa lost.
We don't want Providence or K State to win.

He knows.

[BM1090]

Lunardi's update was just was on ESPN. He didn't move us down at all. Last four byes. 7th last team in. One spot better than Xavier.

Calm down, psychos.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

They are from the Big Ten. Old Habits die hard.

So the committee dislikes the Big East and likes the Big 10. So teams with vastly inferior resumes from the Big Ten will get placed over more qualified teams from the Big East?