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Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 24, 2017, 10:55:55 PM
Ok still there is the pure physics involved .  She would have to be on top which by definition takes away from the rape charge.

Dude had surgery on February 6 according to his Twitter feed.  His knee was not fine to play college basketball, it was fine to do many other things.  I think you should be quiet on this subject.  His knee has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS.

SaveOD238

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 24, 2017, 10:55:55 PM
Ok still there is the pure physics involved .  She would have to be on top which by definition takes away from the rape charge.

MFINY, you've said some dumb crap on Scoop over the years, but this one takes the cake. 

I'm embarrassed that the words you wrote here, and in your other posts on this subject, appeared on a message board associated with the University I graduated from.  It's sickening and I'm disgusted.

Herman Cain

#77
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 24, 2017, 11:47:36 PM
I'm sure it does happen, but very rarely with sexual assault. DAs like cases that are winnable. Its currently estimated that 98% of rapists never spend a day in jail. Part of that is because of undereporting but most of it is because sexual assault is next to impossible to prove in our judicial system. A vast majority of cases never get heard because the DA knows that they'll never win in court. I would guess your "frequently" is probably less than 0.5% of the time. Certainly possible but highly improbable.

Everyone brings up Duke LAX. I wouldn't be so sure it is the golden example you are looking for. The DA was a moron and did break the law to try and make his case. But that doesn't necessarily mean that something horrible didn't happen to that young woman at that party.
She was a proven liar and convicted murderer.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Herman Cain

Quote from: SaveOD238 on February 24, 2017, 11:51:03 PM
MFINY, you've said some dumb crap on Scoop over the years, but this one takes the cake. 

I'm embarrassed that the words you wrote here, and in your other posts on this subject, appeared on a message board associated with the University I graduated from.  It's sickening and I'm disgusted.
Here is some data from Columbia University on the specifics of the physics .
http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/problems-c-l-lead-problems-s-e-x
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst



TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 24, 2017, 11:33:11 PM
http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/attorney-maurice-watson-adamantly-denies-sexual-assault-allegation-is-returning/article_c33741a8-faba-11e6-80b2-43586d6edf9a.html

I believe Watson.

That's fine if you do. I'm not sure what you base this belief on. He refused to speak to police. Literally the only statement that he has been made was his lawyer saying he denies the allegations. I don't believe one side or the other at this point, but from my experience in dealing with these cases, the DA bringing first degree charges and an arrest warrant leads me to believe that their must be strong evidence.

I do think it is questionable that you would automatically jump to the defense of an accused rapist when there has been no evidence made public that supports him. You don't have to jump to the defense of the young woman by why jump at all?
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Herman Cain

Quote from: SaveOD238 on February 24, 2017, 11:57:31 PM
That's a freaking advice column. 

Go away.
There is some good analysis as to impacts on the knee in chart form.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

wadesworld

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 24, 2017, 10:31:31 PM
Watson is being used by over zealous prosecutors.

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 24, 2017, 10:36:30 PM
Ordinarily I am law and order. I smell a scam here. Explain how a kid with a torn ACL rapes a woman in a bathroom when he is hours away from his surgery .

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 24, 2017, 10:55:55 PM
Ok still there is the pure physics involved .  She would have to be on top which by definition takes away from the rape charge.

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 24, 2017, 10:55:55 PM
Ok still there is the pure physics involved .  She would have to be on top which by definition takes away from the rape charge.

I don't like to make comments on posters' personalities because (at least as far as I know) I've never met any (or at least many) of you.  I will disagree with posters on their opinions, say they're online clowns or tough guys, etc. (all of which I am guilty to myself), but I try to stay away from making comments about who someone is as a person, even the people I disagree with most on here.  I am certain I have failed at that at times, but I try not to talk about how someone is this or that because I wouldn't know.

Now having said that, what the eff is wrong with you?  This is disgusting.  I am dead serious about this, get some friggin help.

Herman Cain

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 24, 2017, 11:59:27 PM
That's fine if you do. I'm not sure what you base this belief on. He refused to speak to police. Literally the only statement that he has been made was his lawyer saying he denies the allegations. I don't believe one side or the other at this point, but from my experience in dealing with these cases, the DA bringing first degree charges and an arrest warrant leads me to believe that their must be strong evidence.

I do think it is questionable that you would automatically jump to the defense of an accused rapist when there has been no evidence made public that supports him. You don't have to jump to the defense of the young woman by why jump at all?
You are taking the exact opposite position and saying because the DA is bringing charges he is likely guilty.

It is not a popular thing these days to back an accused rapist but I truly believe there is more to the story here.

It is the same feeling I had when Nick Noskowiak first said he was depressed. I said there was more going on and people accused me of being insensitive etc,  well guess what I was right.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Herman Cain

Quote from: wadesworld on February 25, 2017, 12:04:55 AM
I don't like to make comments on posters' personalities because (at least as far as I know) I've never met any (or at least many) of you.  I will disagree with posters on their opinions, say they're online clowns or tough guys, etc. (all of which I am guilty to myself), but I try to stay away from making comments about who someone is as a person, even the people I disagree with most on here.  I am certain I have failed at that at times, but I try not to talk about how someone is this or that because I wouldn't know.

Now having said that, what the eff is wrong with you?  This is disgusting.  I am dead serious about this, get some friggin help.
Watson is a good guy and I am trying to defend him.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 24, 2017, 11:51:20 PM
She was a proven liar and convicted murderer.

Proven liar? Or vulnerable sexual assault survivor who lied under the direction of an idiotic and corrupt DA? I don't know. I have many networks in this field, including some who worked on this case directly. They have led me to believe that the second might be true. They also all agree that the 30 for 30 was misleading at best.

The convicted murderer piece didn't happen until after the case. Not excusing what she had done but after everything she went through, I'm not surprised she had a mental break. I can give you all sorts of research on the mental trauma caused by sexual assault and the possible after effects.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


wadesworld

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 25, 2017, 12:06:06 AM
You are taking the exact opposite position and saying because the DA is bringing charges he is likely guilty.

It is not a popular thing these days to back an accused rapist but I truly believe there is more to the story here.

It is the same feeling I had when Nick Noskowiak first said he was depressed. I said there was more going on and people accused me of being insensitive etc,  well guess what I was right.

You diagnosed Noskowiak based on...what?

Man, all we really need is MUFNNY to look at a case and let his gut decision decide whether someone is guilty, mentally ill, etc.

Seriously.  Get help.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 24, 2017, 11:53:16 PM
Here is some data from Columbia University on the specifics of the physics .
http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/problems-c-l-lead-problems-s-e-x

1. .....that's an advice column. Just because it has Columbia University stamped on it doesn't mean its a scholarly article.

2. This is about a woman having trouble orgasming after an ACL injury. Not a man having trouble having sex after an acl injury. So not related.

3. Also, this article contradicts your point. You said that she would have to be on top which means it couldn't be rape (which is SO SO SO very wrong). The chart shows that you can have sex in multiple positions with a knee injury.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Herman Cain

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2017, 12:08:49 AM
Proven liar? Or vulnerable sexual assault survivor who lied under the direction of an idiotic and corrupt DA? I don't know. I have many networks in this field, including some who worked on this case directly. They have led me to believe that the second might be true. They also all agree that the 30 for 30 was misleading at best.

The convicted murderer piece didn't happen until after the case. Not excusing what she had done but after everything she went through, I'm not surprised she had a mental break. I can give you all sorts of research on the mental trauma caused by sexual assault and the possible after effects.
The girl was mentally unstable from day 1.

The recent Sacred Heart case is very relevant to this case.

The Big elephant in the room is of course our own recent history. Whose side are you taking there?
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Herman Cain

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 25, 2017, 12:14:32 AM
1. .....that's an advice column. Just because it has Columbia University stamped on it doesn't mean its a scholarly article.

2. This is about a woman having trouble orgasming after an ACL injury. Not a man having trouble having sex after an acl injury. So not related.

3. Also, this article contradicts your point. You said that she would have to be on top which means it couldn't be rape (which is SO SO SO very wrong). The chart shows that you can have sex in multiple positions with a knee injury.
The one item in the chart with question mark  which related was standing Which is what he would have to do.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 25, 2017, 12:06:06 AM
You are taking the exact opposite position and saying because the DA is bringing charges he is likely guilty.

It is not a popular thing these days to back an accused rapist but I truly believe there is more to the story here.

It is the same feeling I had when Nick Noskowiak first said he was depressed. I said there was more going on and people accused me of being insensitive etc,  well guess what I was right.

But I'm not. I've said repeatedly I don't believe either side without being able to see all the evidence myself. I have not said that he is guilty once. You on the other hand have definitely said this is a scam and he is innocent.

Based on the information I have, I am leaning towards believing the young woman. But that is based on the evidence that a DA is bringing first degree charges when I work in this field and I know how rare that is. The only evidence that has been presented on the other side is a lawyer saying he didn't do it. But again, my mind is far from made up.

Again, saying I think there might be more to the story is one thing. Saying definitively that this is scam is another.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 25, 2017, 12:17:15 AM
The one item in the chart with question mark  which related was standing Which is what he would have to do.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 25, 2017, 12:15:20 AM
The girl was mentally unstable from day 1.

The recent Sacred Heart case is very relevant to this case.

The Big elephant in the room is of course our own recent history. Whose side are you taking there?

From what I have heard, yes she was. Which would be consistent with someone who was sexually assaulted.

Why is the Sacred Heart case relevant? Does that also mean the thousands of cases where someone accused someone of sexual assault and they actually did it are also relevant?

Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 25, 2017, 12:17:15 AM
The one item in the chart with question mark  which related was standing Which is what he would have to do.

So Alice from AskAlice put a ? next to standing and that means someone with an ACL injury couldn't commit a sexual assault huh?

1. There are dozens of positions that don't involve standing, including ones she listed on her chart.
2. He was more than capable of standing. We saw him walk out on to the court on his own power during the Marquette game.
3. You are assuming it was vaginal or anal penetration. I could have been oral or digital penetration.
4. You can still rape someone even if they are on top.

He might be innocent. I have no idea. But his knee was not capable of stopping him from committing a sexual assault if he wanted to.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


fjm

Props to MUFNY for taking the unpopular opinion side. But holy balls he's lost it. Unreadable and ridiculous.

Sure Watson is innocent until proven guilty.

But this is embarrassing and semi-moronic MUFNY.

I thought you were silly when you said MU needs to win 4 straight to get to the tourney... but now I see you're nuts.

MU82

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 25, 2017, 12:08:29 AM
Watson is a good guy and I am trying to defend him.

1. How do you know Watson is a good guy?

2. If his lawyer relies upon most of the "defense" you have provided in this comment stream, he will end up in prison for many years.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

dgies9156

Quote from: jsglow on February 24, 2017, 10:05:20 AM
You and I part ways on that one.

I understand Glow and what I think I'm meaning is I feel like someone made a really dumb decision that hurt someone badly. Punishment is warranted if convicted and you feel bad because there was so much in front of this person.

I feel bad because I hate to see wasted talent.

real chili 83

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 24, 2017, 10:41:13 AM
Possible, but to be honest, just about every school has been accused of mishandling a sexual assault case in the past 6 years. Its become a part of the process.

Except for ND.  They're God's team, and can do no wrong.  Just ask them. 

real chili 83

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 24, 2017, 11:59:27 PM
That's fine if you do. I'm not sure what you base this belief on. He refused to speak to police. Literally the only statement that he has been made was his lawyer saying he denies the allegations. I don't believe one side or the other at this point, but from my experience in dealing with these cases, the DA bringing first degree charges and an arrest warrant leads me to believe that their must be strong evidence.

I do think it is questionable that you would automatically jump to the defense of an accused rapist when there has been no evidence made public that supports him. You don't have to jump to the defense of the young woman by why jump at all?

Don't feed the troll.  He was obviously dropped on his head by his mother.

jesmu84

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on February 24, 2017, 11:23:24 PM
Prosecutors bring false  charges to further their political careers. Happens frequently.  Great example Duke Lacrosse about 10 years ago. More recently look at the bogus charges made by DA in Baltimore , where every case was thrown out.

The accusers in these situations are frequently unstable liars.

Women who state they were raped are "frequently unstable liars"???

Holy crap

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