Should Marquette leave the Big East?

[MilWarrior]

Why not?
With a BOT like we have we are delusional to think we can play with the big boys.
The other night I  watched Syracuse play Louisville and W.V. play Kansas and there was NO COMPARISON with what I  see with us or even with the so-called Big East.
There is no shame in being with your own kind, the A-10 or conference USA might be where we belong. 
A little history, the BOT forced Al McGuire and Buzz out, they think Marquette is Bucknell, Princeton or Northwestern.  We will never be Duke or even Duke lite. 
Why not play Fordham or St. Bonaventure if the BOT wants to limit recruits to that profile of student athlete?
Villanova plays Division II football, they don't try and play ND, they know their place. 
When Marquette played big time basketball was then, this is now.
We don't need a new coach, we need a new BOT or a different league.

"What you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

[warriorchick]

Really?  THE BOT forced Al out?  What's your source?

I think it can be said that Al has had more of a positive impact on Marquette than any other single person.  If it weren't for Al, Marquette would just be a regional Catholic university that no one has ever heard of outside of Wisconsin and Chicago, with average reputation at best.

Just because Quentin Quade hated Al doesn't mean everyone did.

[mu03eng]

Guys, this is classic Vogue material. You can't even call it trolling because he actually believes what he's saying.....it's insane but he believes it.

[brandx]

Benny does not approve of this thread.  To even call it amateurish would be an insult to amateurs.

Brandx approves of your comment. Despite that, sometimes Brandx thinks brandx and Benny diagree too often.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Citra or Centennial hops?

[Windyplayer]

Why not?
With a BOT like we have we are delusional to think we can play with the big boys.
The other night I  watched Syracuse play Louisville and W.V. play Kansas and there was NO COMPARISON with what I  see with us or even with the so-called Big East.
There is no shame in being with your own kind, the A-10 or conference USA might be where we belong. 
A little history, the BOT forced Al McGuire and Buzz out, they think Marquette is Bucknell, Princeton or Northwestern.  We will never be Duke or even Duke lite. 
Why not play Fordham or St. Bonaventure if the BOT wants to limit recruits to that profile of student athlete?
Villanova plays Division II football, they don't try and play ND, they know their place. 
When Marquette played big time basketball was then, this is now.
We don't need a new coach, we need a new BOT or a different league.

Why don't you go for a run. Let's get those endorphins firing.

[Benny B]

Citra or Centennial hops?

Definitely both.  However, if given the choice, I'm going to lean to the latter because I still have a pound of Centennial from my 2015 and 2014 harvest sitting in the freezer next to the 2 pounds I harvested this year.  Shiite grows like crazy in my backyard, far better than the Cascade and Mt Hood.

BTW - If anyone comes across a Citra rhizome somewhere, perhaps someone living in the Pac NW who is trained in the art of undetected movement, I will pay good money for one.

[Earl Tatum]

What is BOT mean? We are spending big money on our BB program
and really not getting results. Still think the fricken Jesuits screwed us up
with this name changing, the coaches we had after Al. Hank was good,
Rick was just learning, Dukiet played the piano, Dukiet flopped. O'Neil
and Crean found it harder to recruit players for MU. We had Diener and
Wade, but right now we are not big time. Mid-Major at most. Sad. Still
think we should stay in Big East. Our area does not produce good BB
players. Hopefully, Wojo can get into Michigan, Minnesota, and Illinois
and get some gems that can play BE ball. Go MU

[GGGG]

Our area does not produce good BB players.

Sorry but that's simply not true.  This is from 2015:

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-11-13/college-basketball-these-are-states-most-players-top-25-teams

"From where exactly do the best college basketball teams get their players? We wanted to answer that question, so we took a look at the rosters of all the men's Division I basketball teams ranked in the AP Top 25 preseason poll."

The table...

STATE   PLAYERS
1. California   37
2. Indiana   32
3. Texas   25
4. Illinois   20
5. North Carolina   19
6. Ohio   15
7. Georgia   13
7. Wisconsin   13

[connie]

I gotta say, this makes every other version of crazy on here look absolutely sane.

[vogue65]

Really?  THE BOT forced Al out?  What's your source?

I think it can be said that Al has had more of a positive impact on Marquette than any other single person.  If it weren't for Al, Marquette would just be a regional Catholic university that no one has ever heard of outside of Wisconsin and Chicago, with average reputation at best.

Just because Quentin Quade hated Al doesn't mean everyone did.

Ah, Prof. Quentin Quade, a blast from the past.  Be careful kid you're showing your age.   He was just articulating the feeling of much of the faculty and the good old boy Board of Trustees.

Al said that the reason he was retireing was that he could no longer recruit the caliber of player necessary to be competitive at the highest level.  All right, he was politically savvy enough not to point a finger at the Board or the faculty directly, one sometimes has to read between the lines. 

Nevertheless, thanks for bringing up the controversy of the time and QQ.  Was it QJQ? 

We had just ended the war and won the national championship so the issue got lost in the exuberance.  Then we were off to UAB, Valpo, Cleveland State and other high caliber opponents.

[Babybluejeans]

What is BOT mean? We are spending big money on our BB program
and really not getting results. Still think the fricken Jesuits screwed us up
with this name changing, the coaches we had after Al. Hank was good,
Rick was just learning, Dukiet played the piano, Dukiet flopped. O'Neil
and Crean found it harder to recruit players for MU. We had Diener and
Wade, but right now we are not big time. Mid-Major at most. Sad. Still
think we should stay in Big East. Our area does not produce good BB
players. Hopefully, Wojo can get into Michigan, Minnesota, and Illinois
and get some gems that can play BE ball. Go MU

I don't care that the underlying facts are entirely off-base. This reads like a cross between beat poetry and an Orange One twitter post and I love it.

[brandx]

I don't care that the underlying facts are entirely off-base. This reads like a cross between beat poetry and an Orange One press conference and I love it.

The media refuses to tell us the truth about how bad MU is.

[vogue65]

Sorry but that's simply not true.  This is from 2015:

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2015-11-13/college-basketball-these-are-states-most-players-top-25-teams

"From where exactly do the best college basketball teams get their players? We wanted to answer that question, so we took a look at the rosters of all the men's Division I basketball teams ranked in the AP Top 25 preseason poll."

The table...

STATE   PLAYERS
1. California   37
2. Indiana   32
3. Texas   25
4. Illinois   20
5. North Carolina   19
6. Ohio   15
7. Georgia   13
7. Wisconsin   13

Not to mention international players.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Not to mention international players.

The article actually covered international players:

The countries with most players on Top-25 rosters

COUNTRY   PLAYERS
1. Canada   6
2. Australia   4
3. Bahamas   3
4. Belgium   2
4. Germany   2
4. Haiti   2
4. Lithuania   2

[Earl Tatum]

The consistent quality of players from Wisconsin are not that great compared to New York, Illinois, the south etc. I did not say Al was not
a good coach. Met him and liked him. It was after Al. I just want to
know what does BOT mean?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Board of Trustees

[vogue65]

Board of Trustees

[vogue65]

Correct and they manage to stay under the radar and always have scapegoats lined up.

[GooooMarquette]

Why not?
With a BOT like we have we are delusional to think we can play with the big boys.
The other night I  watched Syracuse play Louisville and W.V. play Kansas and there was NO COMPARISON with what I  see with us or even with the so-called Big East.
There is no shame in being with your own kind, the A-10 or conference USA might be where we belong. 
A little history, the BOT forced Al McGuire and Buzz out, they think Marquette is Bucknell, Princeton or Northwestern.  We will never be Duke or even Duke lite. 
Why not play Fordham or St. Bonaventure if the BOT wants to limit recruits to that profile of student athlete?
Villanova plays Division II football, they don't try and play ND, they know their place. 
When Marquette played big time basketball was then, this is now.
We don't need a new coach, we need a new BOT or a different league.

Yeah, we totally suck.  Ask Jay Wright.

[JoeTheNonJesuit]

There has been some question about whether Coach Al was squeezed out by the Board of Trustees. This article from 2007 makes no mention of that "fact":

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/sports/ncaabasketball/01mcguire.html

That having been said, Vogue, whom I know from "real life," is generally a man of integrity and usually has some basis for his assertions.

On the other hand, he may just be trying to get a rise out of you blokes, something that I have observed in the real world. Vogue, in that regard, is a bit like Trump, who seems to cleave to the idea that any attention is good attention even if it is bad attention.

I know nothing of this history, but I find it hard to believe that the BOT would squeeze out a coach "who was hired by Marquette in 1964 and compiled a 295-80 record" through 1977, when he won the NCAA, having already won the NIT and having had only one losing season at MU.

But, as I say, Vogue knows what Vogue knows.

[Galway Eagle]

What is BOT mean? We are spending big money on our BB program
and really not getting results. Still think the fricken Jesuits screwed us up
with this name changing, the coaches we had after Al. Hank was good,
Rick was just learning, Dukiet played the piano, Dukiet flopped. O'Neil
and Crean found it harder to recruit players for MU. We had Diener and
Wade, but right now we are not big time. Mid-Major at most. Sad. Still
think we should stay in Big East. Our area does not produce good BB
players. Hopefully, Wojo can get into Michigan, Minnesota, and Illinois
and get some gems that can play BE ball. Go MU

Really? You have to go all the way back to Diener and Wade for the last quality locals? Not even a Novak or McNeal  mention?

[vogue65]

What local players?  Marquette is a national university, probably is or should be an international university and the team should represent that reality.  Sometimes I  think we are way too provincial.

[MU82]

Ah, Prof. Quentin Quade, a blast from the past.  Be careful kid you're showing your age.   He was just articulating the feeling of much of the faculty and the good old boy Board of Trustees.

Al said that the reason he was retireing was that he could no longer recruit the caliber of player necessary to be competitive at the highest level.  All right, he was politically savvy enough not to point a finger at the Board or the faculty directly, one sometimes has to read between the lines. 

Nevertheless, thanks for bringing up the controversy of the time and QQ.  Was it QJQ? 

We had just ended the war and won the national championship so the issue got lost in the exuberance.  Then we were off to UAB, Valpo, Cleveland State and other high caliber opponents.

I was gonna give you credit for your opening post, pulling an MU82 Lite and just shunning teal. I really was. Now, I'm worried about you.

Yeah, let's leave the Big East and go Horizon. It's all we're good for. Maybe quit hoops all together and put all the $$$ into hockey.

[warriorchick]