Mind Boggling Stat

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Unguarded catch and shoot effectively means anything from a layup to a no dribble shot off a pass.  Essentially the stat is saying that MU gives up more uncontested shots i.e. layups, predominantly, (because those are higher percentage shots) than their Big East opponents.  It's a cherry picker stat that I don't necessarily like because it takes into account inside and outside shots, lumping them together.  Many factors can contribute to this such as turnovers, slow defense, etc.  It's not precise by any means.  Nonetheless, a 20% difference is huge and warrants further breakdown into "sub stats" to give a clearer picture. 

Of course, I can give you the eye test and MU gives up some very easy baskets down low around 3 or more per game, where everyone is standing around looking at each other, unaware of where the help is supposed to be.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Unguarded catch and shoot effectively means anything from a layup to a no dribble shot off a pass.  Essentially the stat is saying that MU gives up more uncontested shots i.e. layups, predominantly, (because those are higher percentage shots) than their Big East opponents.  It's a cherry picker stat that I don't necessarily like because it takes into account inside and outside shots, lumping them together.  Many factors can contribute to this such as turnovers, slow defense, etc.  It's not precise by any means.  Nonetheless, a 20% difference is huge and warrants further breakdown into "sub stats" to give a clearer picture. 

Of course, I can give you the eye test and MU gives up some very easy baskets down low around 3 or more per game, where everyone is standing around looking at each other, unaware of where the help is supposed to be.

Did you read the article?

The vast majority of these are NOT layups. They are three point shots.

They are also "catch and shoots" which means the player receives the pass and immediately shoots. No dribble, pump fake, or any other basketball move. Just an immediate release. To be honest, I don't know that layups are considered in this at all. If they were, it would have to be a situation where a player received a pass next to the hoop and immediately went up without taking a dribble....and having no defender anywhere near him. I think that number is actually pretty small.

Also in the article, Marquette actually gives up less unguarded catch and shoots than most teams. Their opponents just hit them at an absurdly high rate.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I didn't see the article.  If you're justifying that other teams just seem to "stroke" the ball against MU, I'd say you're full of it.  Call it what it is.....poor perimeter defense or just overall piss poor defense.  Wojo is quickly becoming the worst defensive coach in MU history.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I didn't see the article.  If you're justifying that other teams just seem to "stroke" the ball against MU, I'd say you're full of it.  Call it what it is.....poor perimeter defense or just overall piss poor defense.  Wojo is quickly becoming the worst defensive coach in MU history.

We do have a piss poor defense. As the article says, this stat only accounts for maybe 1.5 points per game. There's still a lot going wrong with our defense outside of this. But it is an interesting stat. We are talking about unguarded shots. Our defense has nothing to do with it. It is all about the opponent hitting open shots. As I've previously stated, I think some of it is our lack of the length makes it harder to intimidate shooters. Some of it might be that we give up more open threes than open twos so that would inflate the eFG%. But I do think that some of it is luck. You can't have the big of a discrepancy without luck being somewhat of a factor.

[Jay Bee]

Unguarded catch and shoot effectively means anything from a layup to a no dribble shot off a pass.  Essentially the stat is saying that MU gives up more uncontested shots i.e. layups, predominantly, (because those are higher percentage shots) than their Big East opponents.  It's a cherry picker stat that I don't necessarily like because it takes into account inside and outside shots, lumping them together.  Many factors can contribute to this such as turnovers, slow defense, etc.  It's not precise by any means.  Nonetheless, a 20% difference is huge and warrants further breakdown into "sub stats" to give a clearer picture. 

Of course, I can give you the eye test and MU gives up some very easy baskets down low around 3 or more per game, where everyone is standing around looking at each other, unaware of where the help is supposed to be.

Jump shots only. Almost all 3-pointers

[jesmu84]

Unguarded catch and shoot effectively means anything from a layup to a no dribble shot off a pass.  Essentially the stat is saying that MU gives up more uncontested shots i.e. layups, predominantly, (because those are higher percentage shots) than their Big East opponents.  It's a cherry picker stat that I don't necessarily like because it takes into account inside and outside shots, lumping them together.  Many factors can contribute to this such as turnovers, slow defense, etc.  It's not precise by any means.  Nonetheless, a 20% difference is huge and warrants further breakdown into "sub stats" to give a clearer picture. 

Of course, I can give you the eye test and MU gives up some very easy baskets down low around 3 or more per game, where everyone is standing around looking at each other, unaware of where the help is supposed to be.

Lol. I love when people throw out totally incorrect information on a situation that they couldn't even be bothered to read the information on which the situation is based. Good stuff.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

LoL, I was doing some work and didn't see the article.  Nonetheless, main point suffices that MU's defense among worst ever in the program.

[jesmu84]

LoL, I was doing some work and didn't see the article.  Nonetheless, main point suffices that MU's defense among worst ever in the program.

You're correct. But that doesn't address the topic at hand. Stop lobbing grenades blindly.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Lobbing grenades!!!  My oh my we are a sensitive bunch especially over a nitpicking stat that is meaningless in the scheme of things.  If you haven't had your ovaltine, though, today - I will forgive you.

[RideMyBuycks]

Lobbing grenades!!!  My oh my we are a sensitive bunch especially over a nitpicking stat that is meaningless in the scheme of things.  If you haven't had your ovaltine, though, today - I will forgive you.

Pretty sure we've established that eFG% is kind of a big deal. And certainly not "meaningless" as you put it.

[jesmu84]

Lobbing grenades!!!  My oh my we are a sensitive bunch especially over a nitpicking stat that is meaningless in the scheme of things.  If you haven't had your ovaltine, though, today - I will forgive you.

Points scored is meaningless? Interesting viewpoint

[GoldenDieners32]

Lobbing grenades!!!  My oh my we are a sensitive bunch especially over a nitpicking stat that is meaningless in the scheme of things.  If you haven't had your ovaltine, though, today - I will forgive you.

Because FG% doesn't matter at all

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I enjoy how eFG% has now morphed into FG%.  I feel like I'm being assaulted by a bunch of guys with TI 83 calculators. 

[g0lden3agle]

I enjoy how eFG% has now morphed into FG%.  I feel like I'm being assaulted by a bunch of guys with TI 83 calculators.

Amazing take.  Ners would be proud.

[GoldenDieners32]

I enjoy how eFG% has now morphed into FG%.  I feel like I'm being assaulted by a bunch of guys with TI 83 calculators.

You need to really calm down i forgot the e? Kill me now i forgot the e

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

You need to really calm down i forgot the e? Kill me now i forgot the e

Misinformation changes the course of history.  Remember the lesson.

[jesmu84]

Misinformation changes the course of history.  Remember the lesson.

Is the lesson that you're still wrong in your stance on this thread?

[RideMyBuycks]

I enjoy how eFG% has now morphed into FG%.  I feel like I'm being assaulted by a bunch of guys with TI 83 calculators.

And God forbid we ever listen to those stating informed opinions with those calculators rather than those shooting from the hip and lobbing grenades.

[CTWarrior]

Based on how I understand that stat, one of two things is probably true:

1.  MU has been unlucky
2.  We are leaving the wrong guys open

Probably a little of both.

[PGsHeroes32]

Point out bad play is "Luke missed a dunk."

Hammer a guy is "WTF is Luke doing??"

You can do what you want, but delivery does matter. If you change how you say things, people won't react in that way. Its pretty simple.

Uhhh considering Luke missed a layup, dunk and open hook shot. Yeah, wtf is luke doing is less words and just as effective.

You that sensitive? That's poor delivery?

How did you survive to this point? We're you constantly seeking counseling? Do you leave the house?

I genuinely would like to you know. If you consider "wtf is luke doing" any sort of over the top

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Is the lesson that you're still wrong in your stance on this thread?

Wrong that defense is very poor on this team?  No, I'm not wrong especially when there are those trying to play the "MU is unlucky" card which is pathetic. 

[g0lden3agle]

Wrong that defense is very poor on this team?  No, I'm not wrong especially when there are those trying to play the "MU is unlucky" card which is pathetic.

This very thread is self-aware that what it has identified as a heavily luck based statistic only impacts the defensive efficiency to the tune of roughly 1.5 ppg.  No one here is trying to claim this was some earth shattering revelation that nothing about out defensive game plan is leading to poor defensive efficiency. 

Carry on, sir.

[jesmu84]

Wrong that defense is very poor on this team?  No, I'm not wrong especially when there are those trying to play the "MU is unlucky" card which is pathetic.

Incorrect. Try again.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Uhhh considering Luke missed a layup, dunk and open hook shot. Yeah, wtf is luke doing is less words and just as effective.

You that sensitive? That's poor delivery?

How did you survive to this point? We're you constantly seeking counseling? Do you leave the house?

I genuinely would like to you know. If you consider "wtf is luke doing" any sort of over the top

I didn't say it bothered me at all. You seemed to be confused why people are reacting to you the way they are. It rubs some people the wrong way when grown men attack 18-22 year olds who are playing a game for their enjoyment. Others it doesn't. You can't control how people react to you. All you can control is what you do. So if it bothers you that people are treating you this way, you can either change your delivery or you can deal with it. I don't care either way.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Wrong that defense is very poor on this team?  No, I'm not wrong especially when there are those trying to play the "MU is unlucky" card which is pathetic.

Can MU's defense be very poor and unlucky? I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. In fact, to be as bad as we are, there probably has to be elements of both.