If you try and twist it to defend this

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

You cannot be serious. That shot, made or missed, was as bad as the one Buycks took against Louisville a few years back. There was 2:16 left in the game and 26 seconds left on the shot clock. And we're up 8. We don't need a stinking "dagger". We need the clock to move and to make free throws. Seton Hall ended up scoring and cutting the lead to 6 fifteen seconds BEFORE we even needed to launch a shot. Dumb, dumb, dumb, low bball IQ move by a grad transfer senior.

I am serious. I personally am not a fan of running out the clock until under 2 minutes left. Katin had a wide open three. Its unlikely they were going to get a better shot than that. I'd rather take a better shot with an extra 10-25 seconds on the clock (unlikely they were actually going to run out the rest of the clock) than a poor shot with less time. Under two minutes, a different story. Others may have a different opinion. That's fine.

[MUfan12]

But if you're not at least a little concerned about a near epic collapse down the stretch (our second in 10 days) you're not being realistic.

A little concerned? I guess. But it took Carrington hitting 50+ feet worth of contested threes, and unfortunately Haanif missed those two FTs. It's not like they turned it over twice like in Newark.

[Newsdreams]

Is Seton Hall really an NCAA tourney team?

Yep so far. They have been getting top 25 votes. Plus are in in most "brackets"

[PGsHeroes32]

I am serious. I personally am not a fan of running out the clock until under 2 minutes left. Katin had a wide open three. Its unlikely they were going to get a better shot than that. I'd rather take a better shot with an extra 10-25 seconds on the clock (unlikely they were actually going to run out the rest of the clock) than a poor shot with less time. Under two minutes, a different story. Others may have a different opinion. That's fine.

I don't like stallball either but that's an awful shot.

The one thing we've done a good job at is killkng clock while not full blown stalling. It's usually Marcus driving around and then ball movement for a good late shot

[Lennys Tap]

I am serious. I personally am not a fan of running out the clock until under 2 minutes left. Katin had a wide open three. Its unlikely they were going to get a better shot than that. I'd rather take a better shot with an extra 10-25 seconds on the clock (unlikely they were actually going to run out the rest of the clock) than a poor shot with less time. Under two minutes, a different story. Others may have a different opinion. That's fine.

OMG. Good clock management is math. You're not a fan of math? I hate it when teams  milk the clock up 3 or 4 with 4 minutes left but up 8 with an opportunity to take it under 1:50 it is wrong to launch a 3 with 26 seconds on the clock. Period. Any coach who tells you different should be fired from his job even if it's coaching 5th grade boys or girls.

[Dr. Blackheart]

OMG. Good clock management is math. You're not a fan of math? I hate it when teams  milk the clock up 3 or 4 with 4 minutes left but up 8 with an opportunity to take it under 1:50 it is wrong to launch a 3 with 26 seconds on the clock. Period. Any coach who tells you different should be fired from his job even if it's coaching 5th grade boys or girls.

That shot by Chuck Reinhardt was brutal...more than the game turning from scoring to winding it down.  He was wide open as a shooter could be but he also had a clear path to the hoop and a sure foul with key Hall players in trouble.  It is a game of attrition, baby

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

OMG. Good clock management is math. You're not a fan of math? I hate it when teams  milk the clock up 3 or 4 with 4 minutes left but up 8 with an opportunity to take it under 1:50 it is wrong to launch a 3 with 26 seconds on the clock. Period. Any coach who tells you different should be fired from his job even if it's coaching 5th grade boys or girls.

You disagree. That's fine. For this team, I prefer taking good shots when they are available. Others prefer to milk the clock. With a defense like ours, and two studs like Carrington and Rodriguez, I think 1:50 is plenty of time to make up an 8 point deficit. If we had a team of lockdown defenders, I would think differently. But our team's strength is scoring so I'd rather take the open shot.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

That shot by Chuck Reinhardt was brutal...more than the game turning from scoring to winding it down.  He was wide open as a shooter could be but he also had a clear path to the hoop and a sure foul with key Hall players in trouble.  It is a game of attrition, baby

This I can get behind. If Katin had a clear path to the hoop than he should have done that instead of taking the three. Always look for the highest % shot.

[wadesworld]

Is Seton Hall really an NCAA tourney team?

At least one, if not both, of them or us are.

[Marcus92]

Right now we're tied with Seton Hall for 5th in the conference standings. The Big East will likely get at least 5 bids — that's happened the past 2 years (with 6 bids in 2015). So we're both in the running.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

You disagree. That's fine. For this team, I prefer taking good shots when they are available. Others prefer to milk the clock. With a defense like ours, and two studs like Carrington and Rodriguez, I think 1:50 is plenty of time to make up an 8 point deficit. If we had a team of lockdown defenders, I would think differently. But our team's strength is scoring so I'd rather take the open shot.

Precisely because they are such good shooters I would opt to give them less time to be able to catch up
IMHO. He should have held back on the shot

[Loose Cannon]

  Yep, Rehash plays of the game, and Dissect whatever stats you want, But I'm sitting in the Sunshine of a Win and loving it.

Next Game up.

[PGsHeroes32]

  Yep, Rehash plays of the game, and Dissect whatever stats you want, But I'm sitting in the Sunshine of a Win and loving it.

Next Game up.

Great, Wojo will be dissecting it too. Win by 30 or lose by 30 it's part of sports.

[GGGG]

I agree with everything in your post, Mike. Our guys were true Warriors for most of the game and all of the OT. I'm ecstatic we won this game.

But if you're not at least a little concerned about a near epic collapse down the stretch (our second in 10 days) you're not being realistic.

I'm not concerned.  Their senior guard hit huge shots down the stretch, and our sophomore 83% FT shooter who played the entire game missed a couple.  They gave up a crap load of offensive rebounds, but the team is getting bigger.

Here is what I see.

**A team that plays hard.
**A team that gave up the lead, with two starters on the bench, and still managed to pull out a win.  Two players who were bad at times (JJJ and Katin), stepped up big in OT.
**A team that has improved defensively.
**A team that can score.

If people can't tell there is progress, they are blind.

[MUfan12]

If people can't tell there is progress, they are blind.

Agreed. They should be 2-0 against a team that destroyed them twice last season.

Toughness has been a criticism of mine the past two years, but they really showed it last night. Here's hoping they build off it.

[rocket surgeon]

Is PFsHeroes32 Chico?

derangement much?
                                              FREE the real chicos!

btw, how would chicos jump in under another name with only or already have 5400-something posts?  he had over 20,000 when he was kicked off-even teal next time would be lame

[MU82]

Here is what I see.

**A team that plays hard.
**A team that gave up the lead, with two starters on the bench, and still managed to pull out a win.  Two players who were bad at times (JJJ and Katin), stepped up big in OT.
**A team that has improved defensively.
**A team that can score.

If people can't tell there is progress, they are blind.

Perfectly stated, Sultan.

Only those who like to criticize everything and prefer negativity can look at the trajectory of this team and think it is going downhill.

[Loose Cannon]

Great, Wojo will be dissecting it too. Win by 30 or lose by 30 it's part of sports.

You're Absolutely Right, and hope you have a nice Day.

[cheebs09]

This I can get behind. If Katin had a clear path to the hoop than he should have done that instead of taking the three. Always look for the highest % shot.

My biggest issue was he hesitated. When he double pumped, he should have pulled it out. I don't think Seton Hall was going to foul intentionally and I feel we have a problem getting a good look when winding the clock down. We also seem more likely to turn it over.

Just my opinion. I can definitely see those who say it was an awful decision.

[MUWarrior4Life]

No need to defend a win against a very physical team and officials that are delusional.

Ditto

[brewcity77]

My biggest issue was he hesitated. When he double pumped, he should have pulled it out.

It was one of those cases of being too open. I don't know why it is, but when guys get an eternity to shoot and have time to think about it, those shots more often than not seem to be off the mark. SHU had one of those late in the game last night too that rimmed out.

[GGGG]

derangement much?
                                              FREE the real chicos!

btw, how would chicos jump in under another name with only or already have 5400-something posts?  he had over 20,000 when he was kicked off-even teal next time would be lame

1. It was a joke.
2. Your incessant need to defend Chicos is strange.

[tower912]

RS is to Chicos as Chicos is to Crean.

[manny31]

Perfectly stated, Sultan.

Only those who like to criticize everything and prefer negativity can look at the trajectory of this team and think it is going downhill.

+1 The guys played tougher. Showed mental toughness and I hope that they are figuring out the intensity that will be needed to close out and wins games. MU isn't the most talented team(yet) and this type of intensity/toughness will necessary to win games that are anyone's ball game at the end of the game. I have bitched a lot about a lack of toughness but even if the lost last night I wouldn't have bitched about a lack of toughness. Next couple of games could be very telling, see if MU can continue to maintain the intensity it needs to finish in the 5 spot in the BEast and get sneaky dangerous 10 seed.

[AverageJoe]

Can someone tell me why JJ was replaced by Duane at the end of regulation?  Duane can't hit a jump shot to save his life.  It doesn't go into OT if JJ plays.  Furthermore, if Duane played in OT instead of JJ, we lose the game.