Pirate's Ponderings

[Newsdreams]

Kinda related, but did you know, starting this year in high school basketball in Illinois you can't box out the free throw shooter anymore.

You can get in front of him, but if you put a body on the shooter at all, it's now a technical foul. Which by the way, may be the dumbest rule in basketball.

wtf that is totaly crazy

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

wtf that is totaly crazy

In Illinois, the FT is considered a "safe space".

Next up, Illinois HS baseball will be using tees.

[Newsdreams]

In Illinois, the FT is considered a "safe space".

Next up, Illinois HS baseball will be using tees.

"safe space" 

[MerrittsMustache]

Kinda related, but did you know, starting this year in high school basketball in Illinois you can't box out the free throw shooter anymore.

You can get in front of him, but if you put a body on the shooter at all, it's now a technical foul. Which by the way, may be the dumbest rule in basketball.

That's not entirely accurate. You can still box out the shooter. You just can't cross the FT line until the ball hits the rim. The shooter can't cross the FT line before the ball hits the rim anyway so an opposing player can be in front of the shooter ready to box out once the ball leaves his hand and can put a body on him once the ball gets to the rim. It's really not that significant of a change. When I was in HS, we couldn't leave the lane until the ball hit the rim. That rule changed recently so I presume that this rule was made in response to that. Not crossing the FT to box out the shooter until the ball hits the rim is a MUCH better rule than not leaving the lane until it hits the rim.

[Loose Cannon]

Almost certainly that will be the case. We'll be one top-50 road win away from being in. This L will really sting on Selection Sunday as the one game that would have changed the post-season outcome had it easily gone the other way (just like how the loss to DePaul last year most likely kept us out of the NIT).

Keep your Sunnyside up, or are you Dwelling.

[Benny B]

That's not entirely accurate. You can still box out the shooter. You just can't cross the FT line until the ball hits the rim. The shooter can't cross the FT line before the ball hits the rim anyway so an opposing player can be in front of the shooter ready to box out once the ball leaves his hand and can put a body on him once the ball gets to the rim. It's really not that significant of a change. When I was in HS, we couldn't leave the lane until the ball hit the rim. That rule changed recently so I presume that this rule was made in response to that. Not crossing the FT to box out the shooter until the ball hits the rim is a MUCH better rule than not leaving the lane until it hits the rim.

It was always universally understood that the shooter cannot cross the line on a FT attempt until the ball hits the rim; however, what's not been universally understood is that the shooter was entitled to the line until the ball hits the rim.  Whether some rulebooks explicitly state this, make reference to it in their "situation manual," or omit it completely, I have no idea, but it's the same concept as on an inbounds play: the inbounder cannot cross the line (until the ball is inbounded) but is entitled to the line until he does so, i.e. a defender who crosses the line and impedes the inbounder is assessed a technical foul.

So I don't know what Illinois' HS rulebook says/said, but whether it amounts to an actual rule change, a clarification as a result of another rule change, or simply a point of emphasis, the basic concept that's being enforced here doesn't appear to be materially different.

[Newsdreams]

That's not entirely accurate. You can still box out the shooter. You just can't cross the FT line until the ball hits the rim. The shooter can't cross the FT line before the ball hits the rim anyway so an opposing player can be in front of the shooter ready to box out once the ball leaves his hand and can put a body on him once the ball gets to the rim. It's really not that significant of a change. When I was in HS, we couldn't leave the lane until the ball hit the rim. That rule changed recently so I presume that this rule was made in response to that. Not crossing the FT to box out the shooter until the ball hits the rim is a MUCH better rule than not leaving the lane until it hits the rim.

Now this makes sense

[Class71]

Best 39 minutes and 35 seconds in years. Worst 25 seconds ever? As frustrating a loss this was we showed real progress from one month ago. Stay focused on progress.

[brewcity77]

Best 39 minutes and 35 seconds in years. Worst 25 seconds ever? As frustrating a loss this was we showed real progress from one month ago. Stay focused on progress.

Worst 25 seconds ever? Not even close. This was still just a regular season game. I'll take that 25 seconds over Missouri, Stanford, Washington, or any other gut-wrenching season-ending loss.

[MU82]

Kinda related, but did you know, starting this year in high school basketball in Illinois you can't box out the free throw shooter anymore.

You can get in front of him, but if you put a body on the shooter at all, it's now a technical foul. Which by the way, may be the dumbest rule in basketball.

It is not an Illinois rule. It is a national rule - 9-1-3h - new for the 2016-17 season.

Kids shouting, "I've got shooter!" were being too aggressive in the actual act of getting the shooter. In some cases, they were making contact with the shooter a second after the release, affecting the follow-through. Plus, a shooter can be a little off-balance in the first second or two after release, and therefore can be knocked down by an overly aggressive opponent.

The rebounder in the closest-to-shooter position can still enter the lane upon release of the basketball. But he or she may not touch or step over the FT line or may not make contact with the shooter until the ball hits the rim.

It's not a radical change. I am a coach and told my players to make sure they don't do it, and they haven't. I also am a ref and haven't had any problem with it this season.