Duke vs. V.T. tonight

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I'll use this as the de facto ACC thread to say FSUs Bacon is awesome

[GGGG]

Really all bacon that isn't Canadian is awesome.

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UVA nails a three to go up one with six left - then Bacon nails a three to go up two with two left.  Great game.

Bacon with 29 points. Almost all in the second half

[mayfairskatingrink]

So which rebuilding job was harder, MU for Wojo or VT for Buzz?

Hard to say Buzz hasn't done a better job and isn't a better coach.

Sure hope MU gets at least one win over a good team this year.  Shouldn't be too much to ask.

[GGGG]

So which rebuilding job was harder, MU for Wojo or VT for Buzz?

Hard to say Buzz hasn't done a better job and isn't a better coach.

Sure hope MU gets at least one win over a good team this year.  Shouldn't be too much to ask.

Glad this resurfaced.  It's been a whole three weeks since we last had this debate.  So much has changed since then.

[wadesworld]

So which rebuilding job was harder, MU for Wojo or VT for Buzz?

Hard to say Buzz hasn't done a better job and isn't a better coach.

Sure hope MU gets at least one win over a good team this year.  Shouldn't be too much to ask.

Been discussed multiple times. Bert had a year's head start having his own recruiting class following him to his new school and going to a school where the old coach wasn't taking his recruiting class with him. Wojo had been recruiting for K/Duke and took over a program that the former coach took the recruiting class with him.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Pitt / ND game a good one.

Vasturia just hit a 3 to put ND up 1 with 2.5 seconds to go in OT.

Too bad. PITT had it all but wrapped up.

[NickelDimer]

Been discussed multiple times. Bert had a year's head start having his own recruiting class following him to his new school and going to a school where the old coach wasn't taking his recruiting class with him. Wojo had been recruiting for K/Duke and took over a program that the former coach took the recruiting class with him.

Soooo you're claiming Wojo had the more difficult task at Marquette than Buzz had at Virginia fracking Tech? That's funny

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Soooo you're claiming Wojo had the more difficult task at Marquette than Buzz had at Virginia fracking Tech? That's funny

And accurate.

[keefe]

Kudo's to Buzz. Best way not to have Buzz threads is for MU to knock off some top ten teams and they will have some chances.

Here, here Goose.

A Marquette victory over a powerhouse opponent would be...refreshing.

The comparison between what is playing out in Blacksburg vs a once proud Marquette program is...startling.

[NickelDimer]

And accurate.

No chance. I understand we were coming off a down year with a fairly empty cupboard but we were still in a better position than VT

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The comparison between what is playing out in Blacksburg vs a once proud Marquette program is...startling.

If you find it startling, you are easily started.  I thought it was obviously going to start out this way.

[GGGG]

No chance.

Only if you ignore reality.  The team Wojo inherited was trash.

[NickelDimer]

Only if you ignore reality.  The team Wojo inherited was trash.

But the program wasn't. Unlike VT's

[Jay Bee]

I'll use this as the de facto ACC thread to say FSUs Bacon is awesome

Buzz was on him early for us. *Post from 3 Years Ago*----

Bacon is legit. Reminds me of... JAMIL! (Tonight's version.)

His game screams MU.

Was one of my favorites to watch last spring/summer.

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Buzz was on him early for us. *Post from 3 Years Ago*----

I thought he sounded familiar.  Good call - he has a fun game

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But the program wasn't. Unlike VT's

Marquette's program is fine now.  VT's was better than you think.

Seriously, it's very obvious to see why VT is in a better position now.

1. Buzz is an experienced coach
2. He fills in holes with Jucos
3. He dragged most of his freshman class to Blacksburg with him.

He may end up going further than Wojo does here.  Oh well.  Not much anyone can do about that now.

[forgetful]

But the program wasn't. Unlike VT's

The program doesn't mean much to kids these days.  It is the coach/recent performance.

See this years UCONN, for how much program matters. 

Both teams were dumpster fires in terms of on board talent/roster balance.

Buzz was able to recruit off his success and bring recruits with him.  Buzz is performing at the expectation that VPI had when they shelled out big bucks to get him.

Wojo had to first establish himself.  Develop success and then use that to maintain success.  Wojo is on track, and is as expected probably a year behind the Buzzster.

The difference between being an established respected head coach, and a first time head coach. 

Wanting to compare them head to head is idiotic.

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Marquette's program is fine now.  VT's was better than you think.

Seriously, it's very obvious to see why VT is in a better position now.

1. Buzz is an experienced coach
2. He fills in holes with Jucos
3. He dragged most of his freshman class to Blacksburg with him.

He may end up going further than Wojo does here.  Oh well.  Not much anyone can do about that now.

He brought Hill and Satchel Pierce...lost Shayok and Chief - who am I missing?

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Fine.  He brought half.  He left one. 

Is my language good enough to please your pedantry?

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Fine.  He brought half.  He left one. 

Is my language good enough to please your pedantry?

Calm down buddy - just was trying to remember who it may have been.

[forgetful]

He brought Hill and Satchel Pierce...lost Shayok and Chief - who am I missing?

It's a bit more than that though. 

VPI had a good recruiting class.  Since Greenberg didn't go somewhere new, they were there for the taking (couldn't follow Greenberg). 

That goes with the general differences of a replacing a coach who was fired, vs. replacing a coach that left for a new opportunity. 

[79Warrior]

And accurate.

Not accurate at all. VT had been a mess and a doormat before Buzz showed up. He has done a great job.

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It's a bit more than that though. 

VPI had a good recruiting class.  Since Greenberg didn't go somewhere new, they were there for the taking (couldn't follow Greenberg). 

That goes with the general differences of a replacing a coach who was fired, vs. replacing a coach that left for a new opportunity. 

At first I was just looking to clarify something I missed but now people are just making stuff up.  Greenberg was fired after the 11/12 season and replaced by James Johnson.  Greenberg couldnt make the tourney in a very public fashion (always on the bubble).

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7847062/virginia-tech-hokies-coach-seth-greenberg-fired-nine-seasons

[Silkk the Shaka]

Marquette's program is fine now.  VT's was better than you think.

Seriously, it's very obvious to see why VT is in a better position now.

1. Buzz is an experienced coach
2. He fills in holes with Jucos
3. He dragged most of his freshman class to Blacksburg with him.

He may end up going further than Wojo does here.  Oh well.  Not much anyone can do about that now.

LOL they have no tradition, hadn't made the tourney since 2007, and averaged a 3-15 conference record the 2 years prior to his arrival. They were trash.

Don't disagree with your 3 points below that, but VA Tech as a program was not better than anyone thinks. And no one thinks it was even close to good.