what do ya do with grayson allen?

[MU82]

No. I'm not in favor of that. I'm proud MU doesn't run a dirty program.

My point was just about the outrage to Grayson committing these acts. If everyone in this thread, the talking heads, etc all feel the same about Draymond Green, Suh and other "dirty" players, then fine. But, I didn't get the feeling that's how it is. Suh stomped on players' heads. Green has repeatedly kicked other guys. I missed the threads where people were up-in-arms about those guys, apparently.

It appears, to me, to be easy to take on a target like a college kid, rather than the professional adults.

Talk of Grayson's mental capacities is not part of my discussion. Nor is off-the-field behavior. I'm simply talking about on the field acts.

I feel the same about Green, Suh, etc.

[MU82]

But why can't we compare the media reactions to the 2 situations?

Here's where I have 2 problems.  First, Allen is a baby and tripped someone and reacted like a baby.  But he was rightfully T'd up immediately and he was rightfully suspended.  The situation has been handled in the way it should have been handled.  So now instead of accepting the correct response to it...

(my second problem) I'm on my PC at work and am not used to doing really anything other than searching the internet and doing what I need to for work on a PC, while I could take screenshots to support my argument if I were on my MacBook at home.  But if I go to ESPN.com right now, the front page story and picture is the Grayson Allen tripping incident with a title of "Duke's season depends on whether Grayson Allen can grow up."  Okay, so ESPN thinks that's a bigger story than Floyd passing out behind the wheel or Mixon playing more or less an entire college career with no penalty despite knocking a female out.  Fine.  So be it.  But then the very first "Top Headlines" story is, "Duke suspends Allen indefinitely for tripping."  Okay, more Grayson.  But wait.  Then you go down to the other headline stories and the very first one there is "How long should Grayson Allen sit out?"  Scroll down right below that?  "Greenberg believes Duke needs to get Allen help."  And scroll right below that?  "Allen doesn't plan on tripping another player again."  And each one of those 5 links has its own separate video on the situation.  It's absurd.  FINALLY we get down beyond Grayson Allen tripping someone and onto another news story (Browns stink, essentially).

But, I mean, come on.  Really?  The guy tripped someone.  It's stupid and embarrassing.  But this is the coverage you get of OJ on a slow speed chase along an interstate with a gun to his head, not of an athlete tripping another athlete in competition.

Mixon is the fourth link down on the "Top Headlines" and there is nothing to be found on Floyd.  While 2 of these are off field incidents and the other is an on court incident, ESPN/ESPN.com covers off field incidents all the time, often as their lead stories.  The coverage of these stories is completely mixed up in my opinion.  Allen should be a side note, Floyd and Mixon should be the main stories.

Just my opinion.

I understand the reason for you being so annoyed. Thanks for explaining.

[manny31]

#Millennials

Am I right?

To be fair I think a solid argument can be made that this latest incident was not a trip....I believe it was clearly more of a kick. There is a difference. Directly to Lazar"s point I have really taken to the term "Snowflake" to describe Millennials. I take it as a pejorative, so precious and unique. Additionally I do think the young man deserves style point for the hissy fit he threw after the "T" it was awesome.

[Lennys Tap]

But why can't we compare the media reactions to the 2 situations?

Here's where I have 2 problems.  First, Allen is a baby and tripped someone and reacted like a baby.  But he was rightfully T'd up immediately and he was rightfully suspended.  The situation has been handled in the way it should have been handled.  So now instead of accepting the correct response to it...

(my second problem) I'm on my PC at work and am not used to doing really anything other than searching the internet and doing what I need to for work on a PC, while I could take screenshots to support my argument if I were on my MacBook at home.  But if I go to ESPN.com right now, the front page story and picture is the Grayson Allen tripping incident with a title of "Duke's season depends on whether Grayson Allen can grow up."  Okay, so ESPN thinks that's a bigger story than Floyd passing out behind the wheel or Mixon playing more or less an entire college career with no penalty despite knocking a female out.  Fine.  So be it.  But then the very first "Top Headlines" story is, "Duke suspends Allen indefinitely for tripping."  Okay, more Grayson.  But wait.  Then you go down to the other headline stories and the very first one there is "How long should Grayson Allen sit out?"  Scroll down right below that?  "Greenberg believes Duke needs to get Allen help."  And scroll right below that?  "Allen doesn't plan on tripping another player again."  And each one of those 5 links has its own separate video on the situation.  It's absurd.  FINALLY we get down beyond Grayson Allen tripping someone and onto another news story (Browns stink, essentially).

But, I mean, come on.  Really?  The guy tripped someone.  It's stupid and embarrassing.  But this is the coverage you get of OJ on a slow speed chase along an interstate with a gun to his head, not of an athlete tripping another athlete in competition.

Mixon is the fourth link down on the "Top Headlines" and there is nothing to be found on Floyd.  While 2 of these are off field incidents and the other is an on court incident, ESPN/ESPN.com covers off field incidents all the time, often as their lead stories.  The coverage of these stories is completely mixed up in my opinion.  Allen should be a side note, Floyd and Mixon should be the main stories.

Just my opinion.

Agree. Next somewhat uncomfortable question. Why?

Jay Bilas would say that it's because Allen checks all the boxes - 1.Duke 2.White 3. Punk

[rocket surgeon]

Agree. Next somewhat uncomfortable question. Why?

Jay Bilas would say that it's because Allen checks all the boxes - 1.Duke 2.White 3. Punk

people love love love to see "rich, white kids", especially of privilidege, from duke fail a little because they don't feel that they(the kids from duke) have experienced enough heart-ache in their lives

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm gonna say something unpopular. JFB intentionally tripped someone when he was with the Bulls. I don't remember who, I'm pretty sure it was last season. But everyone here praised him for being tough and not backing down. Now there is a difference because Grayson has a pattern of behavior and JFBs was an isolated incident IIRC. Just an observation.

[MU82]

Agree. Next somewhat uncomfortable question. Why?

Jay Bilas would say that it's because Allen checks all the boxes - 1.Duke 2.White 3. Punk

OK, maybe ... but Bilas also said Allen's act was inexcusable and he deserved to be suspended for it.

Oh, and if Allen were a black player at, say, Miami, he'd be called a "thug."

So what's your point, Lenny?

[wadesworld]

I'm gonna say something unpopular. JFB intentionally tripped someone when he was with the Bulls. I don't remember who, I'm pretty sure it was last season. But everyone here praised him for being tough and not backing down. Now there is a difference because Grayson has a pattern of behavior and JFBs was an isolated incident IIRC. Just an observation.

Well Jimmy did intentionally trip Jae this year as well, so if that also happened last year...

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I agree with all you said except for your first sentence.

In a week in which we've seen the Joe Mixon and Michael Floyd news come to light, Grayson Allen tripping a player in a basketball game is dominating the headlines as the most shameful story in sports.  Which is my point.  It's a complete joke.  Yes, Allen is a spoiled turd that acts like a little baby and it's embarrassing for him.  He was awarded a technical and suspended.  The situation has been handled as it should be.  In my opinion?  Good, move along, no need to dwell on it.  Now the Mixon and Floyd situation?  Very serious issues that are completely downplayed.  Priorities completely mixed up, if you ask me.

This

[MerrittsMustache]

I'm gonna say something unpopular. JFB intentionally tripped someone when he was with the Bulls. I don't remember who, I'm pretty sure it was last season. But everyone here praised him for being tough and not backing down. Now there is a difference because Grayson has a pattern of behavior and JFBs was an isolated incident IIRC. Just an observation.

He tripped Crowder earlier this season. What he didn't do was throw a toddler-level temper tantrum on the bench afterwards.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Well Jimmy did intentionally trip Jae this year as well, so if that also happened last year...

He tripped Crowder earlier this season. What he didn't do was throw a toddler-level temper tantrum on the bench afterwards.

Honestly forgot about the incident with Jae. I was thinking if a different one. Pretty sure it was a post player.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Agree. Next somewhat uncomfortable question. Why?

Jay Bilas would say that it's because Allen checks all the boxes - 1.Duke 2.White 3. Punk

Agreed. I also think people have an easier time ignoring what happens off the court. They are more worried about their sport being affected than the people who are affected.

[Skitch]

Did the other team's coach tell Allen that he's "too good to be doing that?"

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15073476/duke-blue-devils-coach-mike-krzyzewski-apologizes-postgame-comments-oregon-dillon-brooks

[Babybluejeans]

There was once a time when Keefe said clever things that contributed to relevant dialogue. Now he vainly, and uncreatively, yells into the void, straining to justify his vote for the mean guy who's gonna get us all killed. Sad to see good men fall.

[rocket surgeon]

There was once a time when Keefe said clever things that contributed to relevant dialogue. Now he vainly, and uncreatively, yells into the void, straining to justify his vote for the mean guy who's gonna get us all killed. Sad to see good men fall.

That is one mans opinion and was the last sentence 's posed to be in teal?  Sounds like it's time to hit the petting zoo and playdough table , 'ey?  We've survived many a bad times, 'nuff with the sky is falling chit.  there are lots of mean guys out there.  Time to man up or woMAN up I guess.  you want to see what bad is like, take a side trip to Venezuela. They can't even afford playdough right now

[Babybluejeans]

That is one mans opinion and was the last sentence 's posed to be in teal?  Sounds like it's time to hit the petting zoo and playdough table , 'ey?  We've survived many a bad times, 'nuff with the sky is falling chit.  there are lots of mean guys out there.  Time to man up or woMAN up I guess.  you want to see what bad is like, take a side trip to Venezuela. They can't even afford playdough right now

I'm not sure what the heck you're talking about. HOWEVA, I actually have been to Venezuela and holy crap the womenz are off-the-radar hot. 

[rocket surgeon]

I'm not sure what the heck you're talking about. HOWEVA, I actually have been to Venezuela and holy crap the womenz are off-the-radar hot.

You are right on wit dat.  very easy on the eyes

[Pakuni]

Honestly forgot about the incident with Jae. I was thinking if a different one. Pretty sure it was a post player.

You're probably thinking of the time Butler tangled with Mason Plumlee.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

There was once a time when Keefe said clever things that contributed to relevant dialogue. Now he vainly, and uncreatively, yells into the void, straining to justify his vote for the mean guy who's gonna get us all killed. Sad to see good men fall.

Did Keefe say something here? I missed it

[Lennys Tap]

OK, maybe ... but Bilas also said Allen's act was inexcusable and he deserved to be suspended for it.

Oh, and if Allen were a black player at, say, Miami, he'd be called a "thug."

So what's your point, Lenny?

My point? Wades pointed out that this was grossly "over covered" by the media. In the past Jay Bilas has pointed out that the media loves to find white villains on Duke's team. Nobody, including Bilas, would say that the media made Allen a villain. He did that to
himself. But the fact that they grossly "over covered" it makes the whole Bilas idea about anti Duke, anti white punk bias an interesting if uncomfortable topic for conversation.

[MU82]

My point? Wades pointed out that this was grossly "over covered" by the media. In the past Jay Bilas has pointed out that the media loves to find white villains on Duke's team. Nobody, including Bilas, would say that the media made Allen a villain. He did that to
himself. But the fact that they grossly "over covered" it makes the whole Bilas idea about anti Duke, anti white punk bias an interesting if uncomfortable topic for conversation.

OK. I like interesting if uncomfortable topics.

I don't know that the media "over covered" this. Duke is one of the sport's most recognizable brands and is a highly regarded instituion; Allen is the team's best player; Coach K has been the face of college basketball for a generation; the "crime" is easily understood, is considered dirty by pretty much anybody with a brain and was perpetrated on multiple occasions by the individual in question.

Not covering the crap out of it would have been negligence.

Heck, it would be just as easy to argue that had the media "over covered" it after the second incident, maybe there wouldn't have been a third.

[tower912]

You can make the title match up with the chorus of 'Drunken Sailor'.    Now all we need to do is write the verses.   
Whadaya do with a Grayson Allen,
Whadaya do with a Grayson Allen,
Whadaya do with a Grayson Allen
If you're Mike Krszyzewski.....

[keefe]

I'm not sure what the heck you're talking about. HOWEVA, I actually have been to Venezuela and holy crap the womenz are off-the-radar hot.

You are right - the women in Caracas are smoking hot (thought the women in Bogota are a degree more radiant) but what has happened to that place is nothing short of tragic. Venezuela was a vibrant, thriving society until Team Chavez decimated it.

There are many examples of how socialism has failed but the drama of Venezuela is one of the most extreme for its sheer impact and compressed time frame.

And, by the way, what makes you think I voted for Trump?

[reinko]

Well, their next game is 9 days away, plus the XMas break where all players I imagine get at least 3-4 days off anyway, so while "indefinitely" sounds harsh, my guess it will be a game or two tops.

Hey now!   Reinko for the win

[rocket surgeon]

Hey now!   Reinko for the win

nicely done!  coach k probably thought, what the hell?  might as well get this over with and we both take our medicine and move on.  no such thing as a friday afternoon document dump in sports