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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: rocket surgeon on December 21, 2016, 06:20:45 PM
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the dude is a gamer, hustler, a talent...but my God he has a problem with tripping people. i googled grayson allen and one of the topics that popped up was grayson allen tripping. you don't see that come up on many(none?) players. so, he declares that he is going to change
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/17823836/duke-blue-devils-grayson-allen-ready-put-tripping-incidents-him
why do i bring this up?
well in his zeal to clear his reputation for tripping, he......hang on.... trips a player from elon and draws a "T" just a few minutes ago. 2nd verse, same as the 1st
Controversy finds Duke's Grayson Allen again when he gets tangled up with Steven Santa Ana and then trips the Elon guard, resulting in Allen being assessed a technical foul.
http://247sports.com/Bolt/Dukes-Grayson-Allen-trips-Elon-player-49961684
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Hire him as our coach in 15 years?
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And did you see the tantrum he threw on the bench? Get over yourself kid.
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Good player.
Will always be thankful for Grayson Allen for having a large part in beating Wisconsin in the National Championshp game.
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Good player.
Will always be thankful for Grayson Allen for having a large part in beating Wisconsin in the National Championshp game.
YUP!
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no, i missed the tantrum, but i can just imagine.
i don't know how anyone with a clear conscience can deny grayson tripped the guy on purpose unless he(grayson) can claim it's a nervous tic or something. it looked like "kung fu fighting" for chrimeny sake. he does that in the nba and he get's his ass kicked right now. i could see the other team just open up the lane for him. as soon as he makes his move to the basket...x-check into the boards
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ww55qk-u_-A
About 28 seconds in, ridiculous.
Seriously, what do you do with a kid like that?
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the dude is a gamer, hustler, a talent...but my God he has a problem with tripping people. i googled grayson allen and one of the topics that popped up was grayson allen tripping. you don't see that come up on many(none?) players. so, he declares that he is going to change
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/17823836/duke-blue-devils-grayson-allen-ready-put-tripping-incidents-him
why do i bring this up?
well in his zeal to clear his reputation for tripping, he......hang on.... trips a player from elon and draws a "T" just a few minutes ago. 2nd verse, same as the 1st
Controversy finds Duke's Grayson Allen again when he gets tangled up with Steven Santa Ana and then trips the Elon guard, resulting in Allen being assessed a technical foul.
http://247sports.com/Bolt/Dukes-Grayson-Allen-trips-Elon-player-49961684
He tripped a player named Santa this close to Christmas??
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He tripped a player named Santa this close to Christmas??
Rakeem Christmas is still in college?
Oh wait, he never really went in the first place, did he?
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Well, you don't do anything with him. As many professional athletes have been known to cheap shot and do other unseemly things to succeed, so will Allen. If you have a huge problem with what he does on the court, do you have the same problem with Draymond Green?
I can't get on board with moral outrages to player behaviors.
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Listening to talking heads/analysts bag on this kid, Coach K, Duke, his teammates, etc is gross. They do it because he's a kid. A college player. You want to set an example? Start with the adults - Suh, Green, etc.
The only lesson out there is talent always wins out. Want to change that? Fine. But don't get all pissy about a college bball player tripping opponents. Hypocrites.
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I met Allen after Duke/Maine a few weeks ago, I sat next to his family/friends at that game (Allen sat out with a foot injury). Off the court, in the few minutes I spent talking to him, he didn't come off as a bad kid, but clearly there's a pattern of behavior on the floor here.
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Does Duke have another non conference game? If so, suspend him.
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Does Duke have another non conference game? If so, suspend him.
Next game is against VT
Buzz can talk about character revealed
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Does Duke have another non conference game? If so, suspend him.
Coach K said he handled it and looks like no suspension. Maybe ACC will handle it.
Analysts all over calling for some punishment and its not even close. Coach K said I don't care what they think, bring it on. Had respect for Coach K, but he just lost bit of my admiration. Kid needs to sit a game or two.
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Duke is clearly not going to sit him down for a game (he's too important). The ACC should step in and suspend him but I doubt they hand the guts to do so.
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For those in favor of punishment, should every athlete who plays dirty receive the same? College, pro, all sports, your team, etc. EVERYONE
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For those in favor of punishment, should every athlete who plays dirty receive the same? College, pro, all sports, your team, etc. EVERYONE
Guy has a long wrap sheet with tripping.
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no, i missed the tantrum, but i can just imagine.
i don't know how anyone with a clear conscience can deny grayson tripped the guy on purpose unless he(grayson) can claim it's a nervous tic or something. it looked like "kung fu fighting" for chrimeny sake. he does that in the nba and he get's his ass kicked right now. i could see the other team just open up the lane for him. as soon as he makes his move to the basket...x-check into the boards
He tries that in the NBA and Draymond Green will kick him in the balls.
More seriously, his actions (see his reaction to the T) suggest a serious psychological disorder. Honestly, he needs help.
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For those in favor of punishment, should every athlete who plays dirty receive the same? College, pro, all sports, your team, etc. EVERYONE
You are clearly in favor of the "whatever it takes to gain an advantage" point of view. My point of view is that if you cannot manage that line between being hyper competitive and cheating/playing dirty you don't belong on my team. If that is a team i root for and the management, staff, or players cannot manage that line I drop my support.
Are you supporting a Marquette basketball program that would support dirty play/cheating?
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Not that I condone what he does, but I'd be much, much more concerned with a player who uses drugs, sexually harasses/assaults someone, physically assaults someone, etc.
For all the outrage over this, there are much, much, much, much bigger things to be upset about in sports than this.
A professional wide receiver can lose his job after literally sleeping through 2 red lights and not even know how to turn his own car off he is so drunk...only to be picked up by another team the exact same week. There's a lot more wrong with that situation than with Duke deciding not to suspend Grayson Allen for tripping.
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Not that I condone what he does, but I'd be much, much more concerned with a player who uses drugs, sexually harasses/assaults someone, physically assaults someone, etc.
He did physically assault someone - several people. What Grayson Allen did, on multiple occasions, could have seriously injured a player, even ended a career.
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He did physically assault someone - several people. What Grayson Allen did, on multiple occasions, could have seriously injured a player, even ended a career.
Just as much as taking a whack at someone driving an open lane to prevent a layup could.
In fact, probably even less likely. I've seen players break their wrist falling to the ground, sprain an ankle, etc. I've never seen a player, even in football, get hurt from being tripped.
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Not that I condone what he does, but I'd be much, much more concerned with a player who uses drugs, sexually harasses/assaults someone, physically assaults someone, etc.
For all the outrage over this, there are much, much, much, much bigger things to be upset about in sports than this.
A professional wide receiver can lose his job after literally sleeping through 2 red lights and not even know how to turn his own car off he is so drunk...only to be picked up by another team the exact same week. There's a lot more wrong with that situation than with Duke deciding not to suspend Grayson Allen for tripping.
Is the enabled alcoholic athlete better or worse than the enabled abnormal and violent athlete?
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no, i missed the tantrum, but i can just imagine.
i don't know how anyone with a clear conscience can deny grayson tripped the guy on purpose unless he(grayson) can claim it's a nervous tic or something. it looked like "kung fu fighting" for chrimeny sake. he does that in the nba and he get's his ass kicked right now. i could see the other team just open up the lane for him. as soon as he makes his move to the basket...x-check into the boards
I actually wondered this. Not so much a tic, but almost a compulsion when he gets frustrated. Still, there's no place for that in the sport. If I ran sports, I would suspend him for three games.
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Is the enabled alcoholic athlete better or worse than the enabled abnormal and violent athlete?
Uhh. I'll go with the guy who was quite literally passed out behind the wheel. There was a much, much higher chance of Floyd killing someone than there has been in any of these instances of Grayson Allen even leaving the slightest of bruises on any of these kids.
And vehicular homicide is *slightly* worse than tripping someone on a basketball court. Not exactly something I'd consider "violent," but I suppose that's semantics.
https://youtu.be/Wp1J4tabsy0
This play is 10x as dangerous as tripping someone on the ground. Is LeBron some crazy violent being who needs psychological help due to his violence combined with hissy fits?
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I actually wondered this. Not so much a tic, but almost a compulsion when he gets frustrated. Still, there's no place for that in the sport. If I ran sports, I would suspend him for three games.
it's like his last resort to getting beat on a play-well if you're going to drive past me and try to score, i guess i'll just have to pull out my super secret weapon-the ole leg whip-works every time.
when we were kids playing pick-up football, we found tripping to be a very effective way to free up our running back, until we re-set the rules-NO TRIPPING. as we were just kids playing a back yard sport and there were no referees, the penalty for said violation thereafter was taken care of amongst ourselves. funny thing is, it didn't happen anymore
punishment for grayson-has to play a one on one cage game with ndamukong suh ;D
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Guy has a long wrap sheet with tripping.
This
This is not the first, or the even second time he has done this. It is at least the third time.
It seems like he does it instinctively ... he cannot help himself.
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Suspended indefinitely...
http://deadspin.com/duke-suspends-grayson-allen-indefinitely-1790396210?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow (http://deadspin.com/duke-suspends-grayson-allen-indefinitely-1790396210?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)
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Suspended indefinitely...
http://deadspin.com/duke-suspends-grayson-allen-indefinitely-1790396210?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow (http://deadspin.com/duke-suspends-grayson-allen-indefinitely-1790396210?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)
As he should be.
To me, the biggest thing is that it's embarrassing for Grayson. That's pretty much the extent of it, in my opinion. He's acting like a 4 year old child when he does this. But I'm not going to pretend he put someone's life in danger, that he could seriously injure someone by acting this way, or that I'm enraged at his actions. To me, it's just another Duke player to hate on, a list of many.
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Uhh. I'll go with the guy who was quite literally passed out behind the wheel. There was a much, much higher chance of Floyd killing someone than there has been in any of these instances of Grayson Allen even leaving the slightest of bruises on any of these kids.
And vehicular homicide is *slightly* worse than tripping someone on a basketball court. Not exactly something I'd consider "violent," but I suppose that's semantics.
https://youtu.be/Wp1J4tabsy0
This play is 10x as dangerous as tripping someone on the ground. Is LeBron some crazy violent being who needs psychological help due to his violence combined with hissy fits?
They're both equally bad. One is viewed as more egregious, but they are both dangerous people. Luckily, the alcoholic is easier to get into a rehab program, unlike the guy that doesn't think he's doing anything wrong.
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As he should be.
To me, the biggest thing is that it's embarrassing for Grayson. That's pretty much the extent of it, in my opinion. He's acting like a 4 year old child when he does this. But I'm not going to pretend he put someone's life in danger, that he could seriously injure someone by acting this way, or that I'm enraged at his actions. To me, it's just another Duke player to hate on, a list of many.
The key is his actions are consistent with those that lead individuals to alcohol/drug abuse and the types of situations you were describing. The idea that the rules do not apply to them (see Manziel). If a hard stance is not taken, the next action may be far more extreme and deadly than tripping a person on the court.
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They're both equally bad. One is viewed as more egregious, but they are both dangerous people. Luckily, the alcoholic is easier to get into a rehab program, unlike the guy that doesn't think he's doing anything wrong.
To me there are very few things in this world that are worse than getting behind the wheel while under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
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Excessive, IMO. Hopefully he will use it as a learning opportunity.
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Excessive, IMO. Hopefully he will use it as a learning opportunity.
Well, their next game is 9 days away, plus the XMas break where all players I imagine get at least 3-4 days off anyway, so while "indefinitely" sounds harsh, my guess it will be a game or two tops.
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To me there are very few things in this world that are worse than getting behind the wheel while under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
I am in the same boat as you, Floyd made that choice. Grayson also has become a serial offender in terms of this, he clearly has an issue where he cannot control himself.
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Suspended indefinitely...
http://deadspin.com/duke-suspends-grayson-allen-indefinitely-1790396210?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow (http://deadspin.com/duke-suspends-grayson-allen-indefinitely-1790396210?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)
Appropriate. Thug should have played his last game at Duke. Zero tolerance.
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the dudes reaction, after he tripped him, was like, disbelief. he couldn't believe how the kid went down. like it was the other player's fault b/c he claimed he hooked him causing his leg to uncontrollably swing around and just happen to take him out. classic coddled kid look. if mom was disappointed last time, i'm sure THIS TIME she is going to give him a serious "time out" and maybe even take away his iphone...well, that would be pretty harsh, eyn'er? ;D
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Not that I condone what he does, but I'd be much, much more concerned with a player who uses drugs, sexually harasses/assaults someone, physically assaults someone, etc.
For all the outrage over this, there are much, much, much, much bigger things to be upset about in sports than this.
A professional wide receiver can lose his job after literally sleeping through 2 red lights and not even know how to turn his own car off he is so drunk...only to be picked up by another team the exact same week. There's a lot more wrong with that situation than with Duke deciding not to suspend Grayson Allen for tripping.
There's no reason to compare this situation to the other scenarios you brought up. Of course physical or sexual assault or driving under the influence is much worse. But that doesn't mean Grayson Allen isn't a spoiled little turd with a problem. He threw a tantrum that would make a three year old proud.
I'm surprised someone hasn't put on on his ass yet.
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There's no reason to compare this situation to the other scenarios you brought up. Of course physical or sexual assault or driving under the influence is much worse. But that doesn't mean Grayson Allen isn't a spoiled little turd with a problem. He threw a tantrum that would make a three year old proud.
I'm surprised someone hasn't put on on his ass yet.
I agree with all you said except for your first sentence.
In a week in which we've seen the Joe Mixon and Michael Floyd news come to light, Grayson Allen tripping a player in a basketball game is dominating the headlines as the most shameful story in sports. Which is my point. It's a complete joke. Yes, Allen is a spoiled turd that acts like a little baby and it's embarrassing for him. He was awarded a technical and suspended. The situation has been handled as it should be. In my opinion? Good, move along, no need to dwell on it. Now the Mixon and Floyd situation? Very serious issues that are completely downplayed. Priorities completely mixed up, if you ask me.
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And the recognition that she couldn't stop what was about to happen to her son and, worse, couldn't prepare him for it practically paralyzed her.
There's your answer right there.
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I agree with all you said except for your first sentence.
In a week in which we've seen the Joe Mixon and Michael Floyd news come to light, Grayson Allen tripping a player in a basketball game is dominating the headlines as the most shameful story in sports. Which is my point. It's a complete joke. Yes, Allen is a spoiled turd that acts like a little baby and it's embarrassing for him. He was awarded a technical and suspended. The situation has been handled as it should be. In my opinion? Good, move along, no need to dwell on it. Now the Mixon and Floyd situation? Very serious issues that are completely downplayed. Priorities completely mixed up, if you ask me.
Was going to point that out. Guy nearly beheads a girl with a punch and is still on a team but a hissy fit is what is important on the news. Bizarre but that is what drives viewership and clicks I guess.
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I'm not going to compare the on-court actions of a basketball player to the off-the-field actions of a football player. Without dismissing Floyd's offense -- it was heinous and yes, in the big picture, far worse than Allen's offense -- it shifts the discussion too much. Just because one is appalled by Allen's transgression, it doesn't mean one is more appalled by it than Floyd's transgression. So let's keep this to an in-game violation.
Now ...
Allen is a multiple offender. To me, it's not about whether he could hurt somebody (though I think he could) or how badly he could hurt them (if a guy he trips bangs his head hard onto the court or into another players' knee, the victim could be lost for weeks).
I agree with whoever said Allen probably has a psychological problem. Why would he feel the need to repeatedly do something he knows is wrong? It goes beyond dirty; there is something deep-down wrong there.
Plus, he had two very interesting, different reactions yesterday. The first, as rocket noted, was to stare at the victim as if the victim had done something wrong. Not only was there little regard for the victim, there seemed to be actual disdain for him. The second was the way Allen lost it on the bench. If I were K, I would have sent him to the locker room until he could show he had it back together.
I don't blame K for not suspending him, and I like that he made Allen apologize to the victim, but certainly the ACC should suspend Allen. One game would be enough for me, with the understanding that the next punishment would be far more severe.
Rather than some drunk NFLer (or any other off-the-court/off-the-field transgressor), the better comparison is Draymond Green. After the second or third time he went for the nuggets, he was fined. The next time, he was suspended -- and not just for a game but for an NBA Finals game. His dirty play and his inability to control his darkest impulses literally might have cost his team the championship, and he has to wear that for the rest of his life.
There is no way to fine Allen. But there certainly is a way to suspend him.
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#Millennials
Am I right?
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Guy has a long wrap sheet with tripping.
So do 99 percent of hockey players.
The guy is a douche and a suspension is fine, but for chrissakes he didn't hurt anyone or even put someone in serious likelihood of being hurt ... at least no more so than a hard foul puts someone in jeopardy of being hurt. He's a poor sport, for sure, but that's all.
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I'm not going to compare the on-court actions of a basketball player to the off-the-field actions of a football player. Without dismissing Floyd's offense -- it was heinous and yes, in the big picture, far worse than Allen's offense -- it shifts the discussion too much. Just because one is appalled by Allen's transgression, it doesn't mean one is more appalled by it than Floyd's transgression. So let's keep this to an in-game violation.
Now ...
Allen is a multiple offender. To me, it's not about whether he could hurt somebody (though I think he could) or how badly he could hurt them (if a guy he trips bangs his head hard onto the court or into another players' knee, the victim could be lost for weeks).
I agree with whoever said Allen probably has a psychological problem. Why would he feel the need to repeatedly do something he knows is wrong? It goes beyond dirty; there is something deep-down wrong there.
Plus, he had two very interesting, different reactions yesterday. The first, as rocket noted, was to stare at the victim as if the victim had done something wrong. Not only was there little regard for the victim, there seemed to be actual disdain for him. The second was the way Allen lost it on the bench. If I were K, I would have sent him to the locker room until he could show he had it back together.
I don't blame K for not suspending him, and I like that he made Allen apologize to the victim, but certainly the ACC should suspend Allen. One game would be enough for me, with the understanding that the next punishment would be far more severe.
Rather than some drunk NFLer (or any other off-the-court/off-the-field transgressor), the better comparison is Draymond Green. After the second or third time he went for the nuggets, he was fined. The next time, he was suspended -- and not just for a game but for an NBA Finals game. His dirty play and his inability to control his darkest impulses literally might have cost his team the championship, and he has to wear that for the rest of his life.
There is no way to fine Allen. But there certainly is a way to suspend him.
But why can't we compare the media reactions to the 2 situations?
Here's where I have 2 problems. First, Allen is a baby and tripped someone and reacted like a baby. But he was rightfully T'd up immediately and he was rightfully suspended. The situation has been handled in the way it should have been handled. So now instead of accepting the correct response to it...
(my second problem) I'm on my PC at work and am not used to doing really anything other than searching the internet and doing what I need to for work on a PC, while I could take screenshots to support my argument if I were on my MacBook at home. But if I go to ESPN.com right now, the front page story and picture is the Grayson Allen tripping incident with a title of "Duke's season depends on whether Grayson Allen can grow up." Okay, so ESPN thinks that's a bigger story than Floyd passing out behind the wheel or Mixon playing more or less an entire college career with no penalty despite knocking a female out. Fine. So be it. But then the very first "Top Headlines" story is, "Duke suspends Allen indefinitely for tripping." Okay, more Grayson. But wait. Then you go down to the other headline stories and the very first one there is "How long should Grayson Allen sit out?" Scroll down right below that? "Greenberg believes Duke needs to get Allen help." And scroll right below that? "Allen doesn't plan on tripping another player again." And each one of those 5 links has its own separate video on the situation. It's absurd. FINALLY we get down beyond Grayson Allen tripping someone and onto another news story (Browns stink, essentially).
But, I mean, come on. Really? The guy tripped someone. It's stupid and embarrassing. But this is the coverage you get of OJ on a slow speed chase along an interstate with a gun to his head, not of an athlete tripping another athlete in competition.
Mixon is the fourth link down on the "Top Headlines" and there is nothing to be found on Floyd. While 2 of these are off field incidents and the other is an on court incident, ESPN/ESPN.com covers off field incidents all the time, often as their lead stories. The coverage of these stories is completely mixed up in my opinion. Allen should be a side note, Floyd and Mixon should be the main stories.
Just my opinion.
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I agree with all you said except for your first sentence.
In a week in which we've seen the Joe Mixon and Michael Floyd news come to light, Grayson Allen tripping a player in a basketball game is dominating the headlines as the most shameful story in sports. Which is my point. It's a complete joke. Yes, Allen is a spoiled turd that acts like a little baby and it's embarrassing for him. He was awarded a technical and suspended. The situation has been handled as it should be. In my opinion? Good, move along, no need to dwell on it. Now the Mixon and Floyd situation? Very serious issues that are completely downplayed. Priorities completely mixed up, if you ask me.
I don't disagree with you regarding the media coverage but to me that's a separate topic in and of itself.
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If I'm Duke, I suspend him three games. Why? Well, you have to suspend him at least one, so that means he sits out at Virginia Tech. Not ideal, but still winnable with Harry Giles back. Both Kennard and Jackson should be able to handle the point duties. The next two games are at home against Georgia Tech and Boston College. Duke should be able to win those handily even without Allen. Looks good from a PR perspective that they took a tough approach, but absolute worst case scenario they still go 2-1 and have him back for trips to Florida State and Louisville.
It's the illusion of being hard on him, but the reality of suspending him for one obligatory game and two conference-counting buy games.
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You are clearly in favor of the "whatever it takes to gain an advantage" point of view. My point of view is that if you cannot manage that line between being hyper competitive and cheating/playing dirty you don't belong on my team. If that is a team i root for and the management, staff, or players cannot manage that line I drop my support.
Are you supporting a Marquette basketball program that would support dirty play/cheating?
No. I'm not in favor of that. I'm proud MU doesn't run a dirty program.
My point was just about the outrage to Grayson committing these acts. If everyone in this thread, the talking heads, etc all feel the same about Draymond Green, Suh and other "dirty" players, then fine. But, I didn't get the feeling that's how it is. Suh stomped on players' heads. Green has repeatedly kicked other guys. I missed the threads where people were up-in-arms about those guys, apparently.
It appears, to me, to be easy to take on a target like a college kid, rather than the professional adults.
Talk of Grayson's mental capacities is not part of my discussion. Nor is off-the-field behavior. I'm simply talking about on the field acts.
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No. I'm not in favor of that. I'm proud MU doesn't run a dirty program.
My point was just about the outrage to Grayson committing these acts. If everyone in this thread, the talking heads, etc all feel the same about Draymond Green, Suh and other "dirty" players, then fine. But, I didn't get the feeling that's how it is. Suh stomped on players' heads. Green has repeatedly kicked other guys. I missed the threads where people were up-in-arms about those guys, apparently.
It appears, to me, to be easy to take on a target like a college kid, rather than the professional adults.
Talk of Grayson's mental capacities is not part of my discussion. Nor is off-the-field behavior. I'm simply talking about on the field acts.
I feel the same about Green, Suh, etc.
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But why can't we compare the media reactions to the 2 situations?
Here's where I have 2 problems. First, Allen is a baby and tripped someone and reacted like a baby. But he was rightfully T'd up immediately and he was rightfully suspended. The situation has been handled in the way it should have been handled. So now instead of accepting the correct response to it...
(my second problem) I'm on my PC at work and am not used to doing really anything other than searching the internet and doing what I need to for work on a PC, while I could take screenshots to support my argument if I were on my MacBook at home. But if I go to ESPN.com right now, the front page story and picture is the Grayson Allen tripping incident with a title of "Duke's season depends on whether Grayson Allen can grow up." Okay, so ESPN thinks that's a bigger story than Floyd passing out behind the wheel or Mixon playing more or less an entire college career with no penalty despite knocking a female out. Fine. So be it. But then the very first "Top Headlines" story is, "Duke suspends Allen indefinitely for tripping." Okay, more Grayson. But wait. Then you go down to the other headline stories and the very first one there is "How long should Grayson Allen sit out?" Scroll down right below that? "Greenberg believes Duke needs to get Allen help." And scroll right below that? "Allen doesn't plan on tripping another player again." And each one of those 5 links has its own separate video on the situation. It's absurd. FINALLY we get down beyond Grayson Allen tripping someone and onto another news story (Browns stink, essentially).
But, I mean, come on. Really? The guy tripped someone. It's stupid and embarrassing. But this is the coverage you get of OJ on a slow speed chase along an interstate with a gun to his head, not of an athlete tripping another athlete in competition.
Mixon is the fourth link down on the "Top Headlines" and there is nothing to be found on Floyd. While 2 of these are off field incidents and the other is an on court incident, ESPN/ESPN.com covers off field incidents all the time, often as their lead stories. The coverage of these stories is completely mixed up in my opinion. Allen should be a side note, Floyd and Mixon should be the main stories.
Just my opinion.
I understand the reason for you being so annoyed. Thanks for explaining.
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#Millennials
Am I right?
To be fair I think a solid argument can be made that this latest incident was not a trip....I believe it was clearly more of a kick. There is a difference. Directly to Lazar"s point I have really taken to the term "Snowflake" to describe Millennials. I take it as a pejorative, so precious and unique. Additionally I do think the young man deserves style point for the hissy fit he threw after the "T" it was awesome.
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But why can't we compare the media reactions to the 2 situations?
Here's where I have 2 problems. First, Allen is a baby and tripped someone and reacted like a baby. But he was rightfully T'd up immediately and he was rightfully suspended. The situation has been handled in the way it should have been handled. So now instead of accepting the correct response to it...
(my second problem) I'm on my PC at work and am not used to doing really anything other than searching the internet and doing what I need to for work on a PC, while I could take screenshots to support my argument if I were on my MacBook at home. But if I go to ESPN.com right now, the front page story and picture is the Grayson Allen tripping incident with a title of "Duke's season depends on whether Grayson Allen can grow up." Okay, so ESPN thinks that's a bigger story than Floyd passing out behind the wheel or Mixon playing more or less an entire college career with no penalty despite knocking a female out. Fine. So be it. But then the very first "Top Headlines" story is, "Duke suspends Allen indefinitely for tripping." Okay, more Grayson. But wait. Then you go down to the other headline stories and the very first one there is "How long should Grayson Allen sit out?" Scroll down right below that? "Greenberg believes Duke needs to get Allen help." And scroll right below that? "Allen doesn't plan on tripping another player again." And each one of those 5 links has its own separate video on the situation. It's absurd. FINALLY we get down beyond Grayson Allen tripping someone and onto another news story (Browns stink, essentially).
But, I mean, come on. Really? The guy tripped someone. It's stupid and embarrassing. But this is the coverage you get of OJ on a slow speed chase along an interstate with a gun to his head, not of an athlete tripping another athlete in competition.
Mixon is the fourth link down on the "Top Headlines" and there is nothing to be found on Floyd. While 2 of these are off field incidents and the other is an on court incident, ESPN/ESPN.com covers off field incidents all the time, often as their lead stories. The coverage of these stories is completely mixed up in my opinion. Allen should be a side note, Floyd and Mixon should be the main stories.
Just my opinion.
Agree. Next somewhat uncomfortable question. Why?
Jay Bilas would say that it's because Allen checks all the boxes - 1.Duke 2.White 3. Punk
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Agree. Next somewhat uncomfortable question. Why?
Jay Bilas would say that it's because Allen checks all the boxes - 1.Duke 2.White 3. Punk
people love love love to see "rich, white kids", especially of privilidege, from duke fail a little because they don't feel that they(the kids from duke) have experienced enough heart-ache in their lives
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I'm gonna say something unpopular. JFB intentionally tripped someone when he was with the Bulls. I don't remember who, I'm pretty sure it was last season. But everyone here praised him for being tough and not backing down. Now there is a difference because Grayson has a pattern of behavior and JFBs was an isolated incident IIRC. Just an observation.
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Agree. Next somewhat uncomfortable question. Why?
Jay Bilas would say that it's because Allen checks all the boxes - 1.Duke 2.White 3. Punk
OK, maybe ... but Bilas also said Allen's act was inexcusable and he deserved to be suspended for it.
Oh, and if Allen were a black player at, say, Miami, he'd be called a "thug."
So what's your point, Lenny?
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I'm gonna say something unpopular. JFB intentionally tripped someone when he was with the Bulls. I don't remember who, I'm pretty sure it was last season. But everyone here praised him for being tough and not backing down. Now there is a difference because Grayson has a pattern of behavior and JFBs was an isolated incident IIRC. Just an observation.
Well Jimmy did intentionally trip Jae this year as well, so if that also happened last year...
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I agree with all you said except for your first sentence.
In a week in which we've seen the Joe Mixon and Michael Floyd news come to light, Grayson Allen tripping a player in a basketball game is dominating the headlines as the most shameful story in sports. Which is my point. It's a complete joke. Yes, Allen is a spoiled turd that acts like a little baby and it's embarrassing for him. He was awarded a technical and suspended. The situation has been handled as it should be. In my opinion? Good, move along, no need to dwell on it. Now the Mixon and Floyd situation? Very serious issues that are completely downplayed. Priorities completely mixed up, if you ask me.
This
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I'm gonna say something unpopular. JFB intentionally tripped someone when he was with the Bulls. I don't remember who, I'm pretty sure it was last season. But everyone here praised him for being tough and not backing down. Now there is a difference because Grayson has a pattern of behavior and JFBs was an isolated incident IIRC. Just an observation.
He tripped Crowder earlier this season. What he didn't do was throw a toddler-level temper tantrum on the bench afterwards.
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Well Jimmy did intentionally trip Jae this year as well, so if that also happened last year...
He tripped Crowder earlier this season. What he didn't do was throw a toddler-level temper tantrum on the bench afterwards.
Honestly forgot about the incident with Jae. I was thinking if a different one. Pretty sure it was a post player.
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Agree. Next somewhat uncomfortable question. Why?
Jay Bilas would say that it's because Allen checks all the boxes - 1.Duke 2.White 3. Punk
Agreed. I also think people have an easier time ignoring what happens off the court. They are more worried about their sport being affected than the people who are affected.
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Did the other team's coach tell Allen that he's "too good to be doing that?"
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15073476/duke-blue-devils-coach-mike-krzyzewski-apologizes-postgame-comments-oregon-dillon-brooks
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There was once a time when Keefe said clever things that contributed to relevant dialogue. Now he vainly, and uncreatively, yells into the void, straining to justify his vote for the mean guy who's gonna get us all killed. Sad to see good men fall.
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There was once a time when Keefe said clever things that contributed to relevant dialogue. Now he vainly, and uncreatively, yells into the void, straining to justify his vote for the mean guy who's gonna get us all killed. Sad to see good men fall.
That is one mans opinion and was the last sentence 's posed to be in teal? Sounds like it's time to hit the petting zoo and playdough table , 'ey? We've survived many a bad times, 'nuff with the sky is falling chit. there are lots of mean guys out there. Time to man up or woMAN up I guess. you want to see what bad is like, take a side trip to Venezuela. They can't even afford playdough right now
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That is one mans opinion and was the last sentence 's posed to be in teal? Sounds like it's time to hit the petting zoo and playdough table , 'ey? We've survived many a bad times, 'nuff with the sky is falling chit. there are lots of mean guys out there. Time to man up or woMAN up I guess. you want to see what bad is like, take a side trip to Venezuela. They can't even afford playdough right now
I'm not sure what the heck you're talking about. HOWEVA, I actually have been to Venezuela and holy crap the womenz are off-the-radar hot.
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I'm not sure what the heck you're talking about. HOWEVA, I actually have been to Venezuela and holy crap the womenz are off-the-radar hot.
You are right on wit dat. very easy on the eyes
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Honestly forgot about the incident with Jae. I was thinking if a different one. Pretty sure it was a post player.
You're probably thinking of the time Butler tangled with Mason Plumlee.
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There was once a time when Keefe said clever things that contributed to relevant dialogue. Now he vainly, and uncreatively, yells into the void, straining to justify his vote for the mean guy who's gonna get us all killed. Sad to see good men fall.
Did Keefe say something here? I missed it
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OK, maybe ... but Bilas also said Allen's act was inexcusable and he deserved to be suspended for it.
Oh, and if Allen were a black player at, say, Miami, he'd be called a "thug."
So what's your point, Lenny?
My point? Wades pointed out that this was grossly "over covered" by the media. In the past Jay Bilas has pointed out that the media loves to find white villains on Duke's team. Nobody, including Bilas, would say that the media made Allen a villain. He did that to
himself. But the fact that they grossly "over covered" it makes the whole Bilas idea about anti Duke, anti white punk bias an interesting if uncomfortable topic for conversation.
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My point? Wades pointed out that this was grossly "over covered" by the media. In the past Jay Bilas has pointed out that the media loves to find white villains on Duke's team. Nobody, including Bilas, would say that the media made Allen a villain. He did that to
himself. But the fact that they grossly "over covered" it makes the whole Bilas idea about anti Duke, anti white punk bias an interesting if uncomfortable topic for conversation.
OK. I like interesting if uncomfortable topics.
I don't know that the media "over covered" this. Duke is one of the sport's most recognizable brands and is a highly regarded instituion; Allen is the team's best player; Coach K has been the face of college basketball for a generation; the "crime" is easily understood, is considered dirty by pretty much anybody with a brain and was perpetrated on multiple occasions by the individual in question.
Not covering the crap out of it would have been negligence.
Heck, it would be just as easy to argue that had the media "over covered" it after the second incident, maybe there wouldn't have been a third.
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You can make the title match up with the chorus of 'Drunken Sailor'. Now all we need to do is write the verses.
Whadaya do with a Grayson Allen,
Whadaya do with a Grayson Allen,
Whadaya do with a Grayson Allen
If you're Mike Krszyzewski.....
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I'm not sure what the heck you're talking about. HOWEVA, I actually have been to Venezuela and holy crap the womenz are off-the-radar hot.
You are right - the women in Caracas are smoking hot (thought the women in Bogota are a degree more radiant) but what has happened to that place is nothing short of tragic. Venezuela was a vibrant, thriving society until Team Chavez decimated it.
There are many examples of how socialism has failed but the drama of Venezuela is one of the most extreme for its sheer impact and compressed time frame.
And, by the way, what makes you think I voted for Trump?
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Well, their next game is 9 days away, plus the XMas break where all players I imagine get at least 3-4 days off anyway, so while "indefinitely" sounds harsh, my guess it will be a game or two tops.
Hey now! Reinko for the win
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Hey now! Reinko for the win
nicely done! coach k probably thought, what the hell? might as well get this over with and we both take our medicine and move on. no such thing as a friday afternoon document dump in sports
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You can make the title match up with the chorus of 'Drunken Sailor'. Now all we need to do is write the verses.
Whadaya do with a Grayson Allen,
Whadaya do with a Grayson Allen,
Whadaya do with a Grayson Allen
If you're Mike Krszyzewski.....
Sit 'em in the corner with a pacifier
Sit 'em in the corner with his favorite blankey
Sit 'em in the corner with his sippie cup un
Til time out is over.
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http://deadspin.com/acc-there-is-nothing-conclusive-about-grayson-allens-1790947816
Again
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So? Guy is a dirty player. They've existed for decades at every level of every sport.
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So? Guy is a dirty player. They've existed for decades at every level of every sport.
so no big deal? i believe there's a story here. you may be ok with it, but if he causes someone to blow out a knee or something, then would it be, "so"?
the thing is, if allen had a brain cell, he would pinch himself in the ball sac every time he had the urge to throw out his leg, i.e. a tripping motion. it seems like he does this quite naturally. has no one ever reprimanded him for this? i mean, really reprimanded him
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so no big deal? i believe there's a story here. you may be ok with it, but if he causes someone to blow out a knee or something, then would it be, "so"?
the thing is, if allen had a brain cell, he would pinch himself in the ball sac every time he had the urge to throw out his leg, i.e. a tripping motion. it seems like he does this quite naturally. has no one ever reprimanded him for this? i mean, really reprimanded him
I'm not "okay" with it. I just think he was punished. Move on.
Why is everyone going nuts over this kid? Where is all the outrage over other dirty players that have ever existed? Where's the "real" reprimand for those guys?
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Trade 'im, hey?
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I'm not "okay" with it. I just think he was punished. Move on.
Why is everyone going nuts over this kid? Where is all the outrage over other dirty players that have ever existed? Where's the "real" reprimand for those guys?
I think the issue is that some people think he did it again since returning from the punishment. I think the most recent thing with BC is less conclusive than the first three.
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Trade 'im, hey?
I'll give you JJJ straight up for Grayson.
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Heres the thing, I think one it happens once, people start to look for it more and more. Same thing happened to me, the people who live below me came up and bitched us out once because we were walking too loudly in our apartment. They did the same thing a week later even though every single one of us were already in bed, they were literally imagining things making stuff up to fit their narrative.
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Heres the thing, I think one it happens once, people start to look for it more and more. Same thing happened to me, the people who live below me came up and bitched us out once because we were walking too loudly in our apartment. They did the same thing a week later even though every single one of us were already in bed, they were literally imagining things making stuff up to fit their narrative.
I hope that as they left your place to go back downstairs, you tripped 'em!
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I hope that as they left your place to go back downstairs, you tripped 'em!
They're right twats. Theres been more than that, I just gave you the simple version. Its one of those couples that think theyre sooo special because they have a kid and they expect us to adjust to their schedule.
Anyways, point being Grayson is going to be scrutinized for every little motion he does with his legs for the rest of his career, warranted or not.
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They're right twats. Theres been more than that, I just gave you the simple version. Its one of those couples that think theyre sooo special because they have a kid and they expect us to adjust to their schedule.
Anyways, point being Grayson is going to be scrutinized for every little motion he does with his legs for the rest of his career, warranted or not.
Maybe so but that doesn't change the fact that last night the dude kicked his leg at another player. Have never seen that type of kick occur naturally. The fact that he's tried to kick/trip people in the past is completely relevant to interpreting last night's obvious kick.
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Heres the thing, I think one it happens once, people start to look for it more and more. Same thing happened to me, the people who live below me came up and bitched us out once because we were walking too loudly in our apartment. They did the same thing a week later even though every single one of us were already in bed, they were literally imagining things making stuff up to fit their narrative.
Were you 'actively' in bed?
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Heres the thing, I think one it happens once, people start to look for it more and more. Same thing happened to me, the people who live below me came up and bitched us out once because we were walking too loudly in our apartment. They did the same thing a week later even though every single one of us were already in bed, they were literally imagining things making stuff up to fit their narrative.
I had downstairs neighbors that were similar. If I dared walk across the apartment at night they would bang on their ceiling. It was carpeted, and I never wore shoes in the apartment. I'm pretty sure they wanted me to hover. One night they woke me up by banging on their ceiling when I was sleeping in bed. I'm not sure what they were complaining about that time. I've never been so happy to move. I hope a tap dancer moved in after me.
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If you want to see a truly dirty play, just look at what Kyle O'Quinn did to Anthony Davis tonight.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0PjIsPUUAAhpOg.jpg)
perfect! well pllayed!
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This kid seriously has something wrong with him. He needs psychiatric help. I do commend the FSU coach for taking the high road.
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/01/11/duke-grayson-allen-shoves-fsu-coach (http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/01/11/duke-grayson-allen-shoves-fsu-coach)
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This kid seriously has something wrong with him. He needs psychiatric help. I do commend the FSU coach for taking the high road.
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/01/11/duke-grayson-allen-shoves-fsu-coach (http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/01/11/duke-grayson-allen-shoves-fsu-coach)
Eh ... is describing what happened "taking the high road?"
Grayson is a punk and all, but if this collision involved anyone else nobody would have given it a second thought.
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Eh ... is describing what happened "taking the high road?"
Grayson is a punk and all, but if this collision involved anyone else nobody would have given it a second thought.
And the coach involved even said as much.
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Grayson is a punk and all, but if this collision involved anyone else nobody would have given it a second thought.
True, but what's your point?
If the trip against Elon was any other player it wouldn't have been a big deal either and the tripping player wouldn't have been suspended. Since it's a kid who's fresh off a suspension and has an immature, dangerous on-court history, it is given a second thought when he blatantly shoves an opposing coach while going for a loose ball.
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True, but what's your point?
If the trip against Elon was any other player it wouldn't have been a big deal either and the tripping player wouldn't have been suspended. Since it's a kid who's fresh off a suspension and has an immature, dangerous on-court history, it is given a second thought when he blatantly shoves an opposing coach while going for a loose ball.
Your definition of blatant is very different than mine.
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True, but what's your point?
If the trip against Elon was any other player it wouldn't have been a big deal either and the tripping player wouldn't have been suspended. Since it's a kid who's fresh off a suspension and has an immature, dangerous on-court history, it is given a second thought when he blatantly shoves an opposing coach while going for a loose ball.
My point is that your interpretation of it as "blatant" is a solely result of who Allen is, not what actually occurred. What actually occurred was a minor collision between a guy going hard for a ball and a coach who couldn't get out of his way fast enough. If it had been Joe Blow instead of Grayson Allen, you wouldn't characterize it as "blatantly shoving." In fact, you probably wouldn't have even noticed it, and you certainly wouldn't have seen the clip posted all over the internet.
And please with the "dangerous on-court history" nonsense. Tripping someone is idiotic and dirty, but it's exceedingly less dangerous than, say, a hard foul on a driving layup ... a play which more often than not is considered smart, clean basketball, but is far more likely to result in injury than a trip.
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Eh ... is describing what happened "taking the high road?"
Grayson is a punk and all, but if this collision involved anyone else nobody would have given it a second thought.
If an NBA player dove into the stands and did the exact same body movement as Grayson Allen, he'd be suspended and fined.
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My point is that your interpretation of it as "blatant" is a solely result of who Allen is, not what actually occurred. What actually occurred was a minor collision between a guy going hard for a ball and a coach who couldn't get out of his way fast enough. If it had been Joe Blow instead of Grayson Allen, you wouldn't characterize it as "blatantly shoving." In fact, you probably wouldn't have even noticed it, and you certainly wouldn't have seen the clip posted all over the internet.
No, it's not only because it's Allen that I think the shove was obvious. The story has become national news because it's Allen. I think the shove was blatant because I watched the video and saw a blatant shove. How often do you see some lose their balance and attempt to regain it by giving someone a hard two-handed shove to the chest?
And please with the "dangerous on-court history" nonsense. Tripping someone is idiotic and dirty, but it's exceedingly less dangerous than, say, a hard foul on a driving layup ... a play which more often than not is considered smart, clean basketball, but is far more likely to result in injury than a trip.
So a dirty play isn't dangerous? In the context of the game, a hard foul makes sense to avoid giving up an easy two points. Kicking/tripping an opponent because you're frustrated doesn't.
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If an NBA player dove into the stands and did the exact same body movement as Grayson Allen, he'd be suspended and fined.
Oh, well that's a provable argument.
I counter with "An NBA player who dives into the stands and does the exact same body movement as Grayson Allen would never ever be suspended or fined."
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No, it's not only because it's Allen that I think the shove was obvious. The story has become national news because it's Allen. I think the shove was blatant because I watched the video and saw a blatant shove. How often do you see some lose their balance and attempt to regain it by giving someone a hard two-handed shove to the chest?
Well, Dennis Gates strongly disagrees with your version of events and your interpretation of those events. I stand by my belief that your interpretation is colored by the history of one of the people involved in the collision, and not what actually occurred.
So a dirty play isn't dangerous? In the context of the game, a hard foul makes sense to avoid giving up an easy two points. Kicking/tripping an opponent because you're frustrated doesn't.
I never said Allen's behavior makes sense or is anything but dirty. I'm just calling out the over-the-top dramatics about how dangerous it is. It's no more dangerous - and in some cases far less dangerous - that many other fouls that occur during a typical game.
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This happens on pretty much every single play that ever results in an NFL player being run or pushed out of bounds along the sidelines in the middle 50 yards of the field.
There is quite literally nothing to this. If you want to avoid this, then you have to move the benches/courtside seats/cheerleaders/press tables/etc. back 15 feet and draw a line 10 feet off of the sideline that a coach cannot cross during live play.
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I stand by my belief that your interpretation is colored by the history of one of the people involved in the collision, and not what actually occurred.
Wait, why is Allen's history not relevant to interpreting what happened? His several previous intentional attempts to trip and kick at people absolutely points toward a lack of accident or mistake in this instance.
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Yall need to calm the hell down. I'm starting to wonder how many of you have ever played sports. It's far better to push someone away then collide with him at 200 pounds at full speed. If his intent was to hurt, he would have hurt.
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Well, Dennis Gates strongly disagrees with your version of events and your interpretation of those events. I stand by my belief that your interpretation is colored by the history of one of the people involved in the collision, and not what actually occurred.
I never said Allen's behavior makes sense or is anything but dirty. I'm just calling out the over-the-top dramatics about how dangerous it is. It's no more dangerous - and in some cases far less dangerous - that many other fouls that occur during a typical game.
It's fine if you believe that my interpretation is colored by the Allen's history. You're 100% wrong but you're entitled to that belief.
What's your definition of a dirty play vs. a dangerous play? To me, they're very similar in many respects.
Where were the "over-the-top dramatics" about Allen's tripping? I said that he has "an immature, dangerous on-court history." Should I have said "an immature, dirty on-court history?" Is that less dramatic? Actually, I believe you'd just find a way to draw an incorrect inference from that statement as well...and I stand by that belief.
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What's your definition of a dirty play vs. a dangerous play? To me, they're very similar in many respects.
Dirty = something outside the rules and the accepted practices of the game
Dangerous = something that presents substantial risk of injury to an opposing player
Not every dangerous play is dirty and not every dirty play is dangerous.
Take, for example, Clemson's apparent proclivity for fingering opponents' bungholes. That's dirty, but not dangerous.
On the other hand, a body check on a player skating with his head down through the neutral zone is super dangerous (ask Patrik Laine), but it's not dirty.
Where were the "over-the-top dramatics" about Allen's tripping?
Labeling his tripping as "dangerous" is over-the-top dramatics. While dirty and douchey, none of his trips posed a serious risk of "danger" to anyone. A player is more likely to be injured going up for a contested rebound than by falling down from a trip.
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Labeling his tripping as "dangerous" is over-the-top dramatics. While dirty and douchey, none of his trips posed a serious risk of "danger" to anyone. A player is more likely to be injured going up for a contested rebound than by falling down from a trip.
Actually, tripping in basketball is much more dangerous than you think, and it boils down to simple biology and physics. The basic premises here are 1) I think it's the parasympathetic nervous system, but your body can react faster to upper body contact, e.g. someone who is being body checked to the floor can react (i.e. position and/or brace himself for a controlled fall) faster than someone who is sent to the floor as the result of contact at the shin... we might be talking a tenth of a second, but sometimes that's enough, especially for someone who has become accustomed to having that extra tenth of a second to adjust to body contact, and 2) someone who is tripped falls to the floor much faster because their entire body becomes a pendulum that pivots on the point of contact (just like "the bigger they are, the harder they fall" also true is "the taller they are, the faster they fall).
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Allen's shove was nothing. Had any of 4,000 other D1 scholarship basketball players done it, it wouldn't even have been noticed.
Move along. Nothing to see here.
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no, there isn't really much to see here, BUT, when someone has a proclivity for a specific type of activity during certain events, this "someone" better be prepared for EXTRA scrutiny, eyn'a?
let's take a sex offender, for example, now i'm not saying what grayson did was anything close to doing anything even remotely close to doing what sex offenders do, but wait... he does kinda look like a sex offender though, doesn't he? but i digress...anywhoooooo...well ya see what i'm getting at? whenever allen scratches his boys, someone is going to see him trippin someone, if ya know what i mean
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no, there isn't really much to see here, BUT, when someone has a proclivity for a specific type of activity during certain events, this "someone" better be prepared for EXTRA scrutiny, eyn'a?
let's take a sex offender, for example, now i'm not saying what grayson did was anything close to doing anything even remotely close to doing what sex offenders do, but wait... he does kinda look like a sex offender though, doesn't he? but i digress...anywhoooooo...well ya see what i'm getting at? whenever allen scratches his boys, someone is going to see him trippin someone, if ya know what i mean
i do know what you mean even if it took you 100 words to say something that you could have in 10. e e cummings woulda been really proud if you had said it in rhyme, as well as no caps.
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i do know what you mean even if it took you 100 words to say something that you could have in 10. e e cummings woulda been really proud if you had said it in rhyme, as well as no caps.
Ya mean you're just figuring that out? Come on man!! That's just the way I roll baby!
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Well, I am glad to see Coach K finally stepped up and did the right thing....
https://thekicker.com/tough-but-fair-coach-k-suspends-grayson-allen-for-rest-of-tourney/
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Well, I am glad to see Coach K finally stepped up and did the right thing....
https://thekicker.com/tough-but-fair-coach-k-suspends-grayson-allen-for-rest-of-tourney/
Hilarious.
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Nice find
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Well, I am glad to see Coach K finally stepped up and did the right thing....
OK, I actually laughed out loud at that.
I showed it to my son, and he showed me this one. (http://www.theonion.com/article/grayson-allen-recalls-struggle-growing-without-any-55562) Also funny.