Rockhurst Takeaways

[tower912]

The following statement is in line with free throws do not matter claim, which I do not agree with. They do matter in close games.
I find the number of assists on baskets made as irrelevant. A basket made is a basket made whether it is associated with an assist or not. Sure it is a sign that the team is sharing the ball. It is also a sign that a team is not scoring off offensive rebounds or drives to the basket. I rather watch a player with a Wade type move blow by a player than watch someone pass the ball so someone can shoot a jumper. Feel free to disagree with me on this as I am sure there are plenty of people (maybe everyone besides me) that think assists matter. Just about every post game show Buzz and Wojo talk about the assist to basket ratio and I always think so what.

If you have a transcendent player who can get his shot at any time, sure.    Any other time, assists are an indication of unselfish play and understanding of the system.   

[Jay Bee]

Assists show a style of play. A team with a high assist rate is NOT a good indicator of offensive efficiency and may in fact be a negative sign (low orebs/putbacks; low steal/transition buckets/lack of individual shot creators, etc)

[Benny B]

Box score says attendance was 7,975.

Is it safe to assume that's how many season tickets were sold this year?

[jsglow]

Box score says attendance was 7,975.

Is it safe to assume that's how many season tickets were sold this year?

Yikes.  There weren't 8,000 in the house for sure so I fear you might be correct.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Yikes.  There weren't 8,000 in the house for sure so I fear you might be correct.

What has it been in recent years past? 

[jsglow]

What has it been in recent years past?

Attendance for Grambling last year was 11,618.  While we have argued about how many single game tickets are sold for bottom feeders, many believe that's a decent proxy for last year's season ticket base.

Edit:  Just looked up Valley City State from last year.  11,156.  Suggests that the season ticket base has dropped nearly 30%.

[SaveOD238]

Wasn't VCSt a night game?  Rockhurst on Saturday was a day game, and it competed directly with the Badger football game, which could explain some of the drop in attendance.

I even skipped the game to go watch St. Cats win the boys soccer title, but I have season tickets so I was probably counted in the 8,000.

[jsglow]

Wasn't VCSt a night game?  Rockhurst on Saturday was a day game, and it competed directly with the Badger football game, which could explain some of the drop in attendance.

I even skipped the game to go watch St. Cats win the boys soccer title, but I have season tickets so I was probably counted in the 8,000.

You're missing the point.  MU counts tickets sold.  As I said from the 'nearly' empty BC, there's NO WAY that there were even 5,000 there.  Eng, chick and I had it to ourselves.

[brewcity77]

Wasn't VCSt a night game?  Rockhurst on Saturday was a day game, and it competed directly with the Badger football game, which could explain some of the drop in attendance.

I even skipped the game to go watch St. Cats win the boys soccer title, but I have season tickets so I was probably counted in the 8,000.

The point made however was that Marquette announces attendance as the number of tickets sold, not the butts in the seats. So if they're announcing less than 8,000 and we know every season ticket holder purchased a seat, that doesn't bode well for attendance.

Also makes it completely bewildering how despite my highest donation amount as a STH, my seats got worse from last year 

[jsglow]

The point made however was that Marquette announces attendance as the number of tickets sold, not the butts in the seats. So if they're announcing less than 8,000 and we know every season ticket holder purchased a seat, that doesn't bode well for attendance.

Also makes it completely bewildering how despite my highest donation amount as a STH, my seats got worse from last year 

Brew was there too and owes me a beer!

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Doesn't really surprise me though. We haven't won in a long time and we don't have the draw of Hank like we did last year. Season tickets were bound to go down, even though I think we have a better team.

[jsglow]

Doesn't really surprise me though. We haven't won in a long time and we don't have the draw of Hank like we did last year. Season tickets were bound to go down, even though I think we have a better team.

You all might recall that I had previously predicted the potential for attendance to drop below 10,000.  No way I would have guessed this, if accurate.

One more quick point.  Dollars and cents as represented by attendance might be the biggest factor determining Wojo's long term future.  I sincerely believe a season ticket base of 8,000 won't be considered acceptable long term.

[brewcity77]

Doesn't really surprise me though. We haven't won in a long time and we don't have the draw of Hank like we did last year. Season tickets were bound to go down, even though I think we have a better team.

A decline doesn't surprise me. A decline of more than 3,000 in a single year? That surprises me.

Marquette announced their average attendance in 2015-16 as 13,308 per game. So that's a little over 2,000 non-STH tickets sold per game.

If that 7,975 is indicative of the number of STHs this year, we could be looking at less than 10,000 average attendance this year. Last year that would have dropped us from 21st to 43rd. Honestly, that's a terrible number and indicative that the athletic department is not getting the job done, from on the court results to marketing.

In that "Marquette by the Numbers" video, one of the points of pride was 15 straight years of top-25 attendance. The biggest takeaway from Rockhurst is not that streak ending, but ending with a dismal whimper. That impacts revenue, marketing, recruiting, virtually all aspects of the program. In the entire time since Wojo took over, that 7,975 may be the most significant statistical point to indicate the trajectory of the program. They need to start winning, now.

[jsglow]

Well said Brew. If you scoopers within reasonable driving distance really care, buy some tickets and get your butt down there as often as you can.

[Mr. Nielsen]

The attendance number was a typo. The paid crowd was over 11,000.

[Galway Eagle]

Wow after Wojo's plea for us to get our butts to the games that isn't good. Can you buy season tickets after the start of the season? Because it would be interesting to see if there's any spike if we were to beat Vandy

[Galway Eagle]

Well said Brew. If you scoopers within reasonable driving distance really care, buy some tickets and get your butt down there as often as you can.

Define reasonable

[brewcity77]

The attendance number was a typo. The paid crowd was over 11,000.

Any idea the actual number? They may want to get that fixed, that's a big typo.

[jsglow]

The attendance number was a typo. The paid crowd was over 11,000.

Source?

[BM1090]

Source?

MuPanther works for the athletic department (or Marquette in some capacity), if I'm not mistaken.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Any idea the actual number? They may want to get that fixed, that's a big typo.

Didn't remember the number. I'll ask for it. Exhibition games don't count for your season totals. It is a big typo, because it's sending a bad message about the fan base, that turns out not to be true.

[Mr. Nielsen]

MuPanther works for the athletic department (or Marquette in some capacity), if I'm not mistaken.

Dental School

[brewcity77]

Didn't remember the number. I'll ask for it. Exhibition games don't count for your season totals. It is a big typo, because it's sending a bad message about the fan base, that turns out not to be true.

Not worried about the actual attendance, more the message sent by indicating there are less than 8,000 STHs this year.

[Herman Cain]

A decline doesn't surprise me. A decline of more than 3,000 in a single year? That surprises me.

Marquette announced their average attendance in 2015-16 as 13,308 per game. So that's a little over 2,000 non-STH tickets sold per game.

If that 7,975 is indicative of the number of STHs this year, we could be looking at less than 10,000 average attendance this year. Last year that would have dropped us from 21st to 43rd. Honestly, that's a terrible number and indicative that the athletic department is not getting the job done, from on the court results to marketing.

In that "Marquette by the Numbers" video, one of the points of pride was 15 straight years of top-25 attendance. The biggest takeaway from Rockhurst is not that streak ending, but ending with a dismal whimper. That impacts revenue, marketing, recruiting, virtually all aspects of the program. In the entire time since Wojo took over, that 7,975 may be the most significant statistical point to indicate the trajectory of the program. They need to start winning, now.

We need to win and we need to do it now.

[bilsu]

A decline doesn't surprise me. A decline of more than 3,000 in a single year? That surprises me.

Marquette announced their average attendance in 2015-16 as 13,308 per game. So that's a little over 2,000 non-STH tickets sold per game.

If that 7,975 is indicative of the number of STHs this year, we could be looking at less than 10,000 average attendance this year. Last year that would have dropped us from 21st to 43rd. Honestly, that's a terrible number and indicative that the athletic department is not getting the job done, from on the court results to marketing.

In that "Marquette by the Numbers" video, one of the points of pride was 15 straight years of top-25 attendance. The biggest takeaway from Rockhurst is not that streak ending, but ending with a dismal whimper. That impacts revenue, marketing, recruiting, virtually all aspects of the program. In the entire time since Wojo took over, that 7,975 may be the most significant statistical point to indicate the trajectory of the program. They need to start winning, now.

Maybe that was the Ellenson effect. I thought with a McDonald's American that attendance would of gone up last year. Last year did not seem to get a boost by Ellenson. Maybe Ellenson prevented it from declining more last year and that is now showing up this year, since the season ticket holders who held on because of him are leaving a year later. Maybe the new arena will have the same effect. I know I am hanging on for the new arena. After that season, I will see. I love going to the games, but I can watch them on TV in Sheboygan, save a lot of money, and not worry about snowy roads.