Preseason Rankings already

[lurch91]

Way to early for these.  Closed door scrimmages are going to effect these rankings and the seed lines come March Madness.

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2016/09/21/bleu-ribbon-releases-preseason-top-25/?ref=yfp

For those that dont want to click,

1. Duke
2. Oregon
3. Kansas
4. Kentucky
5. Villanova
6. Wisconsin
7. North Carolina
8. Louisville
9. Purdue
10. Virginia
11. Michigan State
12. Xavier
13. Arizona
14. Gonzaga
15. Connecticut
16. Butler
17. Saint Mary's
18. Indiana
19. Creighton
20. Florida State
21. West Virginia
22. UCLA
23. NC State
24. Maryland
25. Rhode Island

[4everwarriors]

Heard MU weighs in at 86, ai na?

[brewcity77]

I'm just not sold on Butler. I see them as 5th or 6th in the league and a bubble team, not a protected seed. I know Seton Hall lost Whitehead, but is that less of a loss than Jones and Dunham? Not sure why they are getting so much preseason love.

[lurch91]

Heard MU weighs in at 86, ai na?

I'm surprised that Buzz doesn't have VT #2!

[Herman Cain]

Way to early for these.  Closed door scrimmages are going to effect these rankings and the seed lines come March Madness.

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2016/09/21/bleu-ribbon-releases-preseason-top-25/?ref=yfp

For those that dont want to click,

1. Duke
2. Oregon
3. Kansas
4. Kentucky
5. Villanova
6. Wisconsin
7. North Carolina
8. Louisville
9. Purdue
10. Virginia
11. Michigan State
12. Xavier
13. Arizona
14. Gonzaga
15. Connecticut
16. Butler
17. Saint Mary's
18. Indiana
19. Creighton
20. Florida State
21. West Virginia
22. UCLA
23. NC State
24. Maryland
25. Rhode Island

4 Big East teams in poll is a good thing.

[Wade for President]

4 Big East teams in poll is a good thing.

And to think GTown and MU aren't among those four ranked is both good and bad for the conference.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm just not sold on Butler. I see them as 5th or 6th in the league and a bubble team, not a protected seed. I know Seton Hall lost Whitehead, but is that less of a loss than Jones and Dunham? Not sure why they are getting so much preseason love.

That was my first reaction too. They do have possibly the 2nd best player in the conference in Kelan Martin. Andrew Chrabasz is also quality. But I don't think savage is as good as people think. Ugly efficiency numbers.

[UNC Eagle]

That was my first reaction too. They do have possibly the 2nd best player in the conference in Kelan Martin. Andrew Chrabasz is also quality. But I don't think savage is as good as people think. Ugly efficiency numbers.

Avery Woodson is a quality outside shooter.

[dgies9156]

Not sure why they are getting so much preseason love.

Same reason Notre Dame gets it. Lots of lazy sportswriters. You can add to that proximity to New York City.

[KampusFoods]

Same reason Notre Dame gets it. Lots of lazy sportswriters. You can add to that proximity to New York City.

Butler's not very close to NYC

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Avery Woodson is a quality outside shooter.

He is, but that's about all he is.

[Golden Avalanche]

Same reason Notre Dame gets it. Lots of lazy sportswriters. You can add to that proximity to New York City.

Silly.

[statnik]

What strikes me is a down year likely for the Big 12 for the first time in their current iteration; only one team in the Top 20.

[source?]

Butler's not very close to NYC

In fairness, it's about as close as Notre Dame.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What strikes me is a down year likely for the Big 12 for the first time in their current iteration; only one team in the Top 20.

Also, only one SEC team in the top 25. Only 2 PAC 12 teams in the top 20. Only 1 AAC team in top 25.

Its an ACC, B1G, and BEast kind of season. Hell there are more WCC teams in the top 20 then the B12, SEC, and AAC.

[GGGG]

Same reason Notre Dame gets it. Lots of lazy sportswriters. You can add to that proximity to New York City.

I would be one of those lazy sportswriters.  Preseason polls are irrelevant.

[lurch91]

I would be one of those lazy sportswriters.  Preseason polls are irrelevant.

They are, but what else do we have to talk aboUT for this season besides how the closed door scrimmages will effect our chances of an NCAA birth this year?

[warriorchick]

This is why I don't pay attention to preseason rankings.  Anyone care to guess what year this "consolidated preseason ranking" is from?:

No. 1 Indiana (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 1, ESPN No. 1, Sports Illustrated No. 1, Yahoo! Sports No. 1)

No. 2 Louisville (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 2, ESPN No. 2, SI No. 2, Yahoo! Sports No. 3)

No. 3 Kentucky (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 4, ESPN No. 3, SI No. 4, Yahoo! Sports No. 2)

No. 4 (tie) Michigan (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 5, ESPN No. 5, SI No. 9, Yahoo! Sports No. 6)

No. 4 (tie) NC State (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 9, ESPN No. 6, SI No. 5, Yahoo! Sports No. 5)

No. 4 (tie) UCLA (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 11, ESPN No. 7, SI No. 3, Yahoo! Sports No. 4)

No. 7 Ohio State (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 3, ESPN No. 8, SI No. 7, Yahoo! Sports No. 12)

No. 8 Kansas (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 12, ESPN No. 4, SI No. 8, Yahoo! Sports No. 10)

No. 9 Florida (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 16, ESPN No. 12, SI No. 6, Yahoo! Sports No. 7)

No. 10 UNC (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 13, ESPN No. 13, SI No. 12, Yahoo! Sports No. 8)

No. 11 Baylor (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: ESPN No. 11, SI No. 13, Yahoo! Sports No. 11)*

No. 12 Syracuse (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 7, ESPN No. 10, SI No. 17, Yahoo! Sports No. 15)

No. 13 Duke (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 6, ESPN No. 15, SI No. 14, Yahoo! Sports No. 16)

No. 14 Arizona (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 8, ESPN No. 17, SI No. 24, Yahoo! Sports No. 9)

No. 15 Missouri (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 10, ESPN No. 24, SI No. 10)*

No. 16 Memphis (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 15, ESPN No. 14, SI No. 16, Yahoo! Sports No. 19)

No. 17 (tie) Creighton (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 14, ESPN No. 18, SI No. 19, Yahoo! Sports No. 18)

No. 17 (tie) Gonzaga (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 21, ESPN No. 20, SI No. 15, Yahoo! Sports No. 13)

No. 17 (tie) Michigan State (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 22, ESPN No. 9, SI No. 18, Yahoo! Sports No. 20)

No. 20 Notre Dame (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 24, ESPN No. 19, SI No. 11, Yahoo! Sports No. 17)

No. 21 San Diego State (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 19, ESPN No. 16, SI No. 23, Yahoo! Sports No. 14)

No. 22 Wisconsin (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 17, ESPN No. 22, SI No. 20, Yahoo! Sports No. 25)

No. 23 UNLV (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 20, ESPN No. 23, SI No. 21, Yahoo! Sports No. 24)

No. 24 VCU (Top 25 preseason ranking positions: Sporting News No. 25, SI No. 22, Yahoo! Sports No. 22)*

No. 25  Texas (ESPN No. 21, Yahoo! Sports No. 21)

[MerrittsMustache]

This is why I don't pay attention to preseason rankings.  Anyone care to guess what year this "consolidated preseason ranking" is from?:

I would guess 2012-13?   (i.e. the last season where MU basketball was enjoyable to watch).

[warriorchick]

I would guess 2012-13?   (i.e. the last season where MU basketball was enjoyable to watch).

[CTWarrior]

This is why I don't pay attention to preseason rankings.  Anyone care to guess what year this "consolidated preseason ranking" is from?:
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Not sure I get your point.  18 of those 25 teams finished in the top 25, and 22 of them reached the NCAAs in the top half of the draw (except Missouri, who was a 9 seed.)   Kentucky, Texas and Baylor (who won the NIT) are the exceptions.  Seems like if you were in these rankings the odds were that you were a very good team.

I know they missed on us, but pre-season rankings are a pretty good gauge of the talent you have.  I actually use the preseason rankings when picking the NCAA tournament as it helps identify talented but underachieving teams that may advance farther than their seed would indicate.

[warriorchick]

Not sure I get your point.  18 of those 25 teams finished in the top 25, and 22 of them reached the NCAAs in the top half of the draw (except Missouri, who was a 9 seed.)   Kentucky, Texas and Baylor (who won the NIT) are the exceptions.  Seems like if you were in these rankings the odds were that you were a very good team.

I know they missed on us, but pre-season rankings are a pretty good gauge of the talent you have.  I actually use the preseason rankings when picking the NCAA tournament as it helps identify talented but underachieving teams that may advance farther than their seed would indicate.

I meant in terms of how Marquette is going to do.  Some people on this board get so butthurt when MU gets its annual preseason snub.  Who cares????

[Galway Eagle]

I meant in terms of how Marquette is going to do.  Some people on this board get so butthurt when MU gets its annual preseason snub.  Who cares????

Well in 2013-14 we were preseason top 25 and flopped in 2012-13, 2010-11, 2009-10 we barely got votes and were solid so I'll take not being in the preseason rankings

[jsglow]

This gets me thinking.  The Elite 8 run was the last time we were truly playing meaningful basketball.  And I remember how excited I was the following November when we were projected to win the conference and unveiled the Conference Championship banner on opening night. Since then, a painful slide to irrelevance.  We need to do something about that this year.  Been simply too long.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

This gets me thinking.  The Elite 8 run was the last time we were truly playing meaningful basketball.  And I remember how excited I was the following November when we were projected to win the conference and unveiled the Conference Championship banner on opening night. Since then, a painful slide to irrelevance.  We need to do something about that this year.  Been simply too long.

Had a similar discussion with some friends/family.  I am ready to be excited about basketball again.