iPhone 7

[wadesworld]

Since when are cell phones as expensive as laptops?  Yikes.  I'm thinking it's probably not worth the price?

And if you go try to preorder it it looks like you also have to add more data to your plan?  I would assume that there would be a way to keep your current cell phone plan without adding the $50/month (minimum) for 1GB or data.

[Coleman]

Since when are cell phones as expensive as laptops?  Yikes.  I'm thinking it's probably not worth the price?

And if you go try to preorder it it looks like you also have to add more data to your plan?  I would assume that there would be a way to keep your current cell phone plan without adding the $50/month (minimum) for 1GB or data.

I am an Apple customer (own an iMac, 2 iPads, and have had 3 different iPhones), but the complete lack of innovation since Jobs died is depressing.

A $hitty overpriced smartwatch and taking away headphone jacks from the phones. Really?

[wadesworld]

I am an Apple customer (own an iMac, 2 iPads, and have had 3 different iPhones), but the complete lack of innovation since Jobs died is depressing.

A $hitty overpriced smartwatch and taking away headphone jacks from the phones. Really?

Exactly. I agree.

[mu-rara]

As an AAPL owner I am really juiced about the revenue from replacement ear buds.

[wadesworld]

As an AAPL owner I am really juiced about the revenue from replacement ear buds.

Exactly.

I understand that business is business, but when you go out of your way to make something horribly designed for the sole purpose of having people buy more of that product I have an issue with it.

[Badgerhater]

As an AAPL owner I am really juiced about the revenue from replacement ear buds.

I hope I am reading your sarcasm correctly.  Redesigning a product to support its recently acquired Beats brand instead of launching a product with some ingenuity is not a sign of an innovative growth company.  Meanwhile, that old plowhorse MSFT has had double the growth in stock price this year to APPL and has a higher dividend yield. 

[mu03eng]

#Courage

[#UnleashSean]

I am an Apple customer (own an iMac, 2 iPads, and have had 3 different iPhones), but the complete lack of innovation since Jobs died is depressing.

A $hitty overpriced smartwatch and taking away headphone jacks from the phones. Really?

Innovation? All they did was take things android/microsoft had for years and put them on their products and call them "new"

[jesmu84]

It's smart from a short-sighted business viewpoint. And, does anyone really care about long-term things anymore? As long as the execs meet the needs/requests of the board, the stock goes up and everyone gets their bonuses..what's the problem?

Plus, a large majority of Apple/iPhone purchasers will buy the next "thing" and not ask questions. We're not a smart people. And certainly not prone to change.

[Coleman]

Exactly.

I understand that business is business, but when you go out of your way to make something horribly designed for the sole purpose of having people buy more of that product I have an issue with it.

Yup

[Coleman]

Innovation? All they did was take things android/microsoft had for years and put them on their products and call them "new"

Jobs certainly didn't invent the personal computer, or the MP3 player, or the tablet, or the smart phone.

But in each of these categories, he unquestionably made the best product.

IMO, they are still the best, but this is mostly just still riding the progress they made in 2005-2011. The only home-grown new product in that time frame is the Apple Watch.

The Jobsian era Apple's innovation in both hardware and software design was unrivaled.

[#UnleashSean]

Jobs certainly didn't invent the personal computer, or the MP3 player, or the tablet, or the smart phone.

But in each of these categories, he unquestionably made the best product.

IMO, they are still the best, but this is mostly just still riding the progress they made in 2005-2011. The only home-grown new product in that time frame is the Apple Watch.

The Jobsian era Apple's innovation in both hardware and software design was unrivaled.

I think you win in the  mp3 regards. But the rest you are surely and absolutely defeated in. Mac pc's and laptops are overpriced with outdated pieces put into them nonsense. Tablet functionality comes no where close to anything thats in the same price range. And smart phones...  Let's be real, anyone who isn't 70 knows android wrecks iPhone.

[reinko]

Jobs certainly didn't invent the personal computer, or the MP3 player, or the tablet, or the smart phone.

But in each of these categories, he unquestionably made the best product.

IMO, they are still the best, but this is mostly just still riding the progress they made in 2005-2011. The only home-grown new product in that time frame is the Apple Watch.

The Jobsian era Apple's innovation in both hardware and software design was unrivaled.

I would argue iTunes was just as revolutionary.  It essentially killed music stores (and the compact disc as we know it), changed how artists market and sell their music, and we now have Pandora, Spotify and other services because of it.

[PBRme]

I switched from Mac laptop to Surface and could not be happier.  Infinitely more capable machine

[#UnleashSean]

I would argue iTunes was just as revolutionary.  It essentially killed music stores (and the compact disc as we know it), changed how artists market and sell their music, and we now have Pandora, Spotify and other services because of it.

I would say that Napster is easily what started that all.

[reinko]

I would say that Napster is easily what started that all.

On the tech side, yes, but sharing online was around even pre-Napster.

But iTunes made online music legitimate, and more importantly it monetized it.

[GGGG]

I would say that Napster is easily what started that all.

Kind of.

Napster was a file sharing service.  Yeah it did accelerate the development of a site like iTunes because it became obvious that people wanted to download music, but Napster never legitimized and monetized it like iTunes did.

BTW, I still have about 100 songs on my iPhone that I originally acquired via Napster.

[GGGG]

On the tech side, yes, but sharing online was around even pre-Napster.

But iTunes made online music legitimate, and more importantly it monetized it.

Ooops...beat me to it.

[#UnleashSean]

But iTunes made online music legitimate, and more importantly it monetized it.

Eh maybe for the older generations. But for us who were between 9-18 when itunes came out in 2001, it made grabbing music online even easier. It seamlessly synced music with limewire (new napster) and my entire Ipod/itunes was filled with music that I got for free.

[wadesworld]

Eh maybe for the older generations. But for us who were between 9-18 when itunes came out in 2001, it made grabbing music online even easier. It seamlessly synced music with limewire (new napster) and my entire Ipod/itunes was filled with music that I got for free.

iTunes was selling over 21 million songs in 2013...per day.

[reinko]

iTunes was selling over 21 million songs in 2013...per day.

[#UnleashSean]

iTunes was selling over 21 million songs in 2013...per day.

yes....? and?

[wadesworld]

yes....? and?

So I guess with only old generations paying for songs on iTunes and only old people buying iPhones, there appear to be a lot of rich old people buying a lot of things from Apple.  Probably would have to buy a lot of the same things to get those kind of numbers with only old people paying for those things.

Shortened: You're wrong.

[#UnleashSean]

So I guess with only old generations paying for songs on iTunes and only old people buying iPhones, there appear to be a lot of rich old people buying a lot of things from Apple.  Probably would have to buy a lot of the same things to get those kind of numbers with only old people paying for those things.

Shortened: You're wrong.

I'm wrong about what exactly? I said that napster was the big factor in moving music business online. I said that a literal crap ton of people used Itunes in conjunction with limewire to easily steal music and put it on ipods. What exactly is wrong there?

[Coleman]

I think you win in the  mp3 regards. But the rest you are surely and absolutely defeated in. Mac pc's and laptops are overpriced with outdated pieces put into them nonsense. Tablet functionality comes no where close to anything thats in the same price range. And smart phones...  Let's be real, anyone who isn't 70 knows android wrecks iPhone.

Agree to disagree. This is an argument that is not possible to win over the other side.

I've owned both Android phones and tablets, and Hewlett-Packard PCs, in addition to their Apple counterparts, and its never even been close in terms of quality and user experience. But, you're welcome to your opinion.

Regardless, I still think Apple has failed to innovate since Jobs' death.