Where would Marquette athletics be had it not dropped football in 1960?

[forgetful]

Thanks, our place is in the north, Italy has its issues with earthquakes and volcanos.

MIT and Johnson Hopkins have Div.  3 football.  What schools do we consider our peers?

Buffalo and Idaho have Div. 1 football.  Small schools like Quinnipac and Providence are very successful with Div 1 hockey.

Long past time to get out of the big time football mentality.

Most definitely not MIT and Johns Hopkins.  MU views their peer institutions as:

Notre Dame, Boston College, Georgetown, Saint Louis, Holy Cross and Fordham. 

Like most Universities, they include Universities in their "peers" that are more aspirational Universities, e.g. Notre Dame (don't shoot the messenger, but their endowment is over 15x larger than MU), Georgetown and BC.

If we want to be honest, swap those three out with Boston University, Southern Methodist and George Washington University.

Aspirational Universities are likely, Brandeis, Carnegie Mellon, Emory, Vanderbilt, USC.

[vogue65]

Most definitely not MIT and Johns Hopkins.  MU views their peer institutions as:

Notre Dame, Boston College, Georgetown, Saint Louis, Holy Cross and Fordham. 

Like most Universities, they include Universities in their "peers" that are more aspirational Universities, e.g. Notre Dame (don't shoot the messenger, but their endowment is over 15x larger than MU), Georgetown and BC.

If we want to be honest, swap those three out with Boston University, Southern Methodist and George Washington University.

Aspirational Universities are likely, Brandeis, Carnegie Mellon, Emory, Vanderbilt, USC.

Not familiar with the term "Aspirational University", definition please?

[forgetful]

Not familiar with the term "Aspirational University", definition please?

Universities in their strategic plans usually define two groups of Universities:

Peer institutions are similar like minded institutions with similar goals and qualities. 

Aspirational Universities are those universities that the "aspire" to become like as a result of the strategic plan. 

Typically they spend a small fortune on outside consultants to evaluate their programs and those of aspirational institutions to develop a plan on how to achieve these goals.

The end result is the same.  It takes investing money in education and research.  They then promptly through out all those ideas and say we need to grow our endowment. 

Peer/Aspirational/Consulting is a colossal waste of resources...but that is for a completely different topic.  Just wanted to provide an answer to who MU considers its peers.  Note, that of the peer institutions we have the smallest Endowment. 

[vogue65]

Universities in their strategic plans usually define two groups of Universities:

Peer institutions are similar like minded institutions with similar goals and qualities. 

Aspirational Universities are those universities that the "aspire" to become like as a result of the strategic plan. 

Typically they spend a small fortune on outside consultants to evaluate their programs and those of aspirational institutions to develop a plan on how to achieve these goals.

The end result is the same.  It takes investing money in education and research.  They then promptly through out all those ideas and say we need to grow our endowment. 

Peer/Aspirational/Consulting is a colossal waste of resources...but that is for a completely different topic.  Just wanted to provide an answer to who MU considers its peers.  Note, that of the peer institutions we have the smallest Endowment.

Thank you, you sound like you know what you are talking about.

I accumulated credits at George Washington and NYU and find Div. 1 football schools, for the most part, not to my liking.   I think we have a lot of ND want-a-bees who have developed a love hate relationship with that particular institution, an obsession if you will.

The world has gone beyond national universities, now we have international universities and we need to broaden our perspective.

Put me in the camp that does not aspire to spend fall Saturdays tailgating at Div. 1 football games, hay, to each his/her own. 

I like your short list of aspirational universities, I think that is a subject worth discussing.

[vogue65]

The only thing standing in the way of Marquette having a competitive Div. 3 football team is ego.

Oh, and the Packers, ND, and the Badgers.

In the early 60's it was discussed, but the discussion never went anywhere....now it is not even discussed. 

[GGGG]

The only thing standing in the way of Marquette having a competitive Div. 3 football team is ego.

And NCAA rules.  (No longer can you be D3 in football while the rest of the sports are in D1.)

[forgetful]

And NCAA rules.  (No longer can you be D3 in football while the rest of the sports are in D1.)

Damn the NCAA, always trying to keep the man down.

[MU82]

C'mon now ... could MU's defense have been any worse than Notre Dame's was last night?

It's always fun to watch my favorite college team* win.

(*Whoever is playing ND.)

[vogue65]

And NCAA rules.  (No longer can you be D3 in football while the rest of the sports are in D1.)

That sounds logical, you can have one Division 1 team, like golf or hockey, but you can't have one Div. 3 team.

I wonder what each SCOOPER has against ND.  My resentment goes back to Al who would not play them because of the $$  split when they wanted to come to Milwaukee.  We would get a minor percent of the gate at home because they thought they were a big draw and in South Bend, we got to keep a larger percent of the gate which was mostly cheap student tickets.

That's just for openers.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I wonder what each SCOOPER has against ND.  My resentment goes back to Al who would not play them because of the $$  split when they wanted to come to Milwaukee.  We would get a minor percent of the gate at home because they thought they were a big draw and in South Bend, we got to keep a larger percent of the gate which was mostly cheap student tickets.

That's just for openers.

They're ND, that's why!

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Universities in their strategic plans usually define two groups of Universities:

Peer institutions are similar like minded institutions with similar goals and qualities. 

Aspirational Universities are those universities that the "aspire" to become like as a result of the strategic plan. 

Typically they spend a small fortune on outside consultants to evaluate their programs and those of aspirational institutions to develop a plan on how to achieve these goals.

The end result is the same.  It takes investing money in education and research.  They then promptly through out all those ideas and say we need to grow our endowment. 

Peer/Aspirational/Consulting is a colossal waste of resources...but that is for a completely different topic.  Just wanted to provide an answer to who MU considers its peers.  Note, that of the peer institutions we have the smallest Endowment.

40 some years later, Marquette University still regrets graduating 4ever, who has been a perpetual drag on the Endowment.

[vogue65]

And NCAA rules.  (No longer can you be D3 in football while the rest of the sports are in D1.)

Villanova,  among many universities, apparently complete in Division-1-AA. 

[GGGG]

Villanova,  among many universities, apparently complete in Division-1-AA. 

Right.  You can compete in FCS (new D1AA) as a non-scholarship school too.  Butler does that.  And starting this year the conference champion of the two non-scholarship conferences will get an auto invite to the FCS playoffs - and will promptly get smashed.

[vogue65]

Right.  You can compete in FCS (new D1AA) as a non-scholarship school too.  Butler does that.  And starting this year the conference champion of the two non-scholarship conferences will get an auto invite to the FCS playoffs - and will promptly get smashed.

On the East Coast Div. 3 and Div. 1-AA are very popular and "delete" universities compete in them.

Back in the 1960's Al was very opposed to joining an all catholic basketball league and did everything he could to maintain our independent status.  Now in the 21st century, by a very long and crooked path, we find ourselves in a nearly all catholic league. 

Who knows what football will look like in 50 years? 

[Benny B]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "delete" University?

[4everwarriors]

Its the French word for chitty, ai na?

[vogue65]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "delete" University?

I have a fat finger, and a tablet with its own mind and a mind which is slipping.  Thanks for pointing out my limitations, I hope you got the point, oh well, what difference does it make?

[Benny B]

Honestly, I actually thought "delete" might be a portmanteau of "degenerate" and "elite" (or something thereabouts). 

[muwarrior69]

I have a fat finger, and a tablet with its own mind and a mind which is slipping.  Thanks for pointing out my limitations, I hope you got the point, oh well, what difference does it make?

How dare you talk to us plebes in that manner. You deletist.