X's and O's

[BM1090]

Huh?

Not sure what you're confused about.

If we're considering DeRozan a star, and a lot of people do, then Wes can't be far off. Wes is a better player. Better Efg%, better defender, similar rebounding and assist rates.

[Loose Cannon]

TWO WORDS:  SACAR ANIM!  HE WILL BE THAT PLAYER FOR US NEXT SEASON AND NO DOUBT WILL BE A SOLID NBA CONTRIBUTOR IN FEW YEARS.  THE BIG QUESTION IS WILL THE TRANSFORMATIVE SEASON SACAR IS ABOUT TO HAVE ONLY BENEFIT HIM PERSONALLY OR THE ENTIRE TEAM.   THA'S THE $1M QUESTION.

Just maybe he's starting to crack that Egg shell.  He had 32 against Scion Dental on July 22 and he's averaging 7.7 rebounds in the 3 games he played.

Even though its water downed play,  better to be doing good things than not doing anything.  Stay Tuned.

[wadesworld]

Not sure what you're confused about.

If we're considering DeRozan a star, and a lot of people do, then Wes can't be far off. Wes is a better player. Better Efg%, better defender, similar rebounding and assist rates.

What?  I love Wes.  But Wes is nowhere near DeMar DeRozan.  Wes's best year was 16.4/3.5/2.4 while shooting 44% from the field and 39% from 3.  Outside of DeRozan's rookie year, his worst season is 16.7/3.3/2.0 while shooting 42% from the field and 26% from 3.  He's averaging 18.1/3.9/2.6 for his career and is 3 years younger than Wes.

Wes's highest defensive win shares season is 2.2 while DeRozan has had seasons of 3.0 and 2.4 (and they come in 2 of the past 3 years).  Offensively Wes's best season is 6.3 while DeRozan's is 7.0.

DeRozan was 24, 5, and 4 this year.  That is a star.  And sorry, but Wes will never come close to those kinds of numbers.

There's not even a comparison here.

[WarriorFan]

JFB is a "star".
Wes is a solid NBA starter.  He would start on almost every NBA team pre-injury, and if he comes back strong, will continue to have that status.
Jae is a serviceable NBA starter.  He would not start on every team, but would get serious minutes on any team.

as compared to...
Wade - Superstar
Novak - career journeyman / role player
Diener - Serviceable NBA reserve
Tony Smith - Serviceable NBA reserve
Buycks - fringe NBA'er
Lazar/Blue - cup of tea guys

[BM1090]

What?  I love Wes.  But Wes is nowhere near DeMar DeRozan.  Wes's best year was 16.4/3.5/2.4 while shooting 44% from the field and 39% from 3.  Outside of DeRozan's rookie year, his worst season is 16.7/3.3/2.0 while shooting 42% from the field and 26% from 3.  He's averaging 18.1/3.9/2.6 for his career and is 3 years younger than Wes.

Wes's highest defensive win shares season is 2.2 while DeRozan has had seasons of 3.0 and 2.4 (and they come in 2 of the past 3 years).  Offensively Wes's best season is 6.3 while DeRozan's is 7.0.

DeRozan was 24, 5, and 4 this year.  That is a star.  And sorry, but Wes will never come close to those kinds of numbers.

There's not even a comparison here.

On my phone so I'll answer the rest of this later, but the only reason DeRozans scoring numbers are higher is because he takes 7 more shots per game. Lower Fg% ,3P%, FT% for DeMar every year. And barely higher in MPG. His usage being higher doesn't make him a better play.

Win shares I don't know a ton about so I can't respond to it.

[MU82]

On my phone so I'll answer the rest of this later, but the only reason DeRozans scoring numbers are higher is because he takes 7 more shots per game. Lower Fg% ,3P%, FT% for DeMar every year. And barely higher in MPG. His usage being higher doesn't make him a better play.

Win shares I don't know a ton about so I can't respond to it.

DeRozan gets more of his team's shots because he is one of his team's stars, no?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

On my phone so I'll answer the rest of this later, but the only reason DeRozans scoring numbers are higher is because he takes 7 more shots per game. Lower Fg% ,3P%, FT% for DeMar every year. And barely higher in MPG. His usage being higher doesn't make him a better play.

Win shares I don't know a ton about so I can't respond to it.

I get what you are trying to say but you can't just throw usage out the window. Derozan gets more shots because he is a better player. I mean, Sacar Anim isn't a better player than Henry Ellenson even though he shot a better FG% and 3P%. Extreme example, I know but many people would put comparing Wes to DeMar in the same category. Love Wes but DeMar Derozan eats his lunch.

[BM1090]

I get what you are trying to say but you can't just throw usage out the window. Derozan gets more shots because he is a better player. I mean, Sacar Anim isn't a better player than Henry Ellenson even though he shot a better FG% and 3P%. Extreme example, I know but many people would put comparing Wes to DeMar in the same category. Love Wes but DeMar Derozan eats his lunch.

Well, I don't necessarily agree. But I also recognize that it looks like I"m the solo minority on this topic so I will concede defeat.

[Herman Cain]

Well, I don't necessarily agree. But I also recognize that it looks like I"m the solo minority on this topic so I will concede defeat.

I prefer Wes. He played for Marquette and the other guy didn't . The other guy just takes a lot of shots.