Game 7 thread

[tower912]

LeBron got met at the rim by Green, who committed a hard, clean, necessary foul.   He landed awkwardly on his right wrist.   Anybody who has ever played the game (or any competitive sport for that matter) knows that sometimes there is initial pain from a hard fall.    The first few seconds are spent assessing whether or not it is merely pain or a problem.    LeBron did what anybody would have done.   You're grasping at anything to criticize.    You're wrong. 

[StillAWarrior]

Wow!  That was amazing!  It's just really cool for me to have spent the evening on Father's Day with my wife and all four of my kids watching that game.  We'll remember it forever.  Wow.

[wadesworld]

Anybody who has ever been hurt playing sports knows that there often is an "initial shock" when sharp pain is felt.

A couple years ago, I went up for a rebound and came down on another player's foot. For about 3 minutes, I was certain I had a broken ankle. The pain was intense. I stayed on the ground, caught my breath, tried to relax, slowly got up, walked around for a couple minutes and realized I would survive.

My foot was never in danger of being "amputated," but it did take me a few minutes to realize that I hadn't suffered a serious injury and I could keep playing.

Of course, that is a logical response to what happened in this situation with LeBron. It's much easier for his haters to attack him because he didn't leap right up from that incredibly hard foul. (I believe the foul was hard but clean. I also believe that had LeBron committed it, many would be ripping him for it.)

I guess when you can't rip LeBron for choking or losing or being part of a dopey televised decision or whatever, it's easy to question his pain tolerance and manhood.

Six straight NBA Finals, three titles with two different franchises including one that had never won a title, three Finals MVPs, back-to-back 41-point games followed by a triple-double on the road in Game 7 to erase a 3-1 series deficit to "the greatest team ever," etc, etc, etc.

What a bum! Clearly, he doesn't make those around him better and isn't a top-10 all-time player.

Yeah, because I definitely said he's a bum (unless we're talking as a human being, which he then certainly is), doesn't make others around him better, and isn't a top 10 player.  Oh wait, I've said he is a top 10 and most likely top 5 player, called out the person who said he didn't make players around him better, etc.  But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

LeBron got met at the rim by Green, who committed a hard, clean, necessary foul.   He landed awkwardly on his right wrist.   Anybody who has ever played the game (or any competitive sport for that matter) knows that sometimes there is initial pain from a hard fall.    The first few seconds are spent assessing whether or not it is merely pain or a problem.    LeBron did what anybody would have done.   You're grasping at anything to criticize.    You're wrong. 

It's one thing to have an "initial shock."  Especially when it's an actual injury.  Like a sprained ankle.  Where you actually miss time.  The fall wasn't even awkward at all.  He fell from high up, that was it.  He landed on one foot and was falling to the ground, so a lot of his momentum went onto the foot.  His wrist never got rolled under him, he didn't land straight on his wrist, nothing.  I've never in my life seen someone be screaming and hitting the ground for a good 2 minutes to the point that an entire team walks from the other end of the court to check on you and then get up and continue on with the same physical activity with absolutely, positively 0 issue.  If he sprained his wrist absolutely.  Feels worse right away, realize it's not bad as you thought.  I'm fairly confident in saying he wouldn't have been high fiving his teammates, carrying around the trophies, etc. with a sprained wrist.  And I'm fairly certain that to sprain your wrist there has to be some kind of extension in some direction of the wrist, which never happened.

[MerrittsMustache]

Yeah, because I definitely said he's a bum (unless we're talking as a human being, which he then certainly is), doesn't make others around him better, and isn't a top 10 player.  Oh wait, I've said he is a top 10 and most likely top 5 player, called out the person who said he didn't make players around him better, etc.  But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

It's one thing to have an "initial shock."  Especially when it's an actual injury.  Like a sprained ankle.  Where you actually miss time.  The fall wasn't even awkward at all.  He fell from high up, that was it.  He landed on one foot and was falling to the ground, so a lot of his momentum went onto the foot.  His wrist never got rolled under him, he didn't land straight on his wrist, nothing.  I've never in my life seen someone be screaming and hitting the ground for a good 2 minutes to the point that an entire team walks from the other end of the court to check on you and then get up and continue on with the same physical activity with absolutely, positively 0 issue.  If he sprained his wrist absolutely.  Feels worse right away, realize it's not bad as you thought.  I'm fairly confident in saying he wouldn't have been high fiving his teammates, carrying around the trophies, etc. with a sprained wrist.  And I'm fairly certain that to sprain your wrist there has to be some kind of extension in some direction of the wrist, which never happened.

[BrewCity83]

I definitely had a Kim English flashback when LeBron went down.  Would the Cavs have someone else shoot the free throws, and somehow get LeBron back on the court for the final ten seconds????

[GooooMarquette]

I definitely had a Kim English flashback when LeBron went down.  Would the Cavs have someone else shoot the free throws, and somehow get LeBron back on the court for the final ten seconds????

Sadly, I had the same flashback.

I was in Boise that day, and went apoplectic when Tiller went back to the scorer's table to check back in just as English was stepping up to shoot the FTs.

[GGGG]

It's one thing to have an "initial shock."  Especially when it's an actual injury.  Like a sprained ankle.  Where you actually miss time.  The fall wasn't even awkward at all.  He fell from high up, that was it.  He landed on one foot and was falling to the ground, so a lot of his momentum went onto the foot.  His wrist never got rolled under him, he didn't land straight on his wrist, nothing.  I've never in my life seen someone be screaming and hitting the ground for a good 2 minutes to the point that an entire team walks from the other end of the court to check on you and then get up and continue on with the same physical activity with absolutely, positively 0 issue.  If he sprained his wrist absolutely.  Feels worse right away, realize it's not bad as you thought.  I'm fairly confident in saying he wouldn't have been high fiving his teammates, carrying around the trophies, etc. with a sprained wrist.  And I'm fairly certain that to sprain your wrist there has to be some kind of extension in some direction of the wrist, which never happened.

When slapping of five gets scrutinized, we have officially reached "Nersian" on the absurdity scale.

[wadesworld]

When slapping of five gets scrutinized, we have officially reached "Nersian" on the absurdity scale.

I typically ask people to kick me in the foot when I sprain my ankle.

[Pakuni]

I typically ask people to kick me in the foot when I sprain my ankle.

I long for the ability to detect another person's level of pain through the power of television.

[Mutaman]

1) The mid-80s Bears should have won more rings

Hence the label "One year wonder"

[MerrittsMustache]

Hence the label "One year wonder"

Perhaps it's just me but the term "one year wonder" makes it sound like the championship was somewhat flukish. The Bears won 14, 11 and 12 games over the next 3 seasons. Their championship season was no fluke. The Warriors won 73 games this season. Their title last season was no fluke, plus they're not going away any time soon. They could rattle off the next 3 titles and it wouldn't be all that surprising.

By your rationale, both Aaron Rodger and Brett Favre are "one year wonders."

[4everwarriors]

 

In a twinkling they went from being allegedly the greatest team of all time to just a fart in the wind.

Thank you Ron Wolf, ai na?

[wadesworld]

I long for the ability to detect another person's level of pain through the power of television.

I typically go from "OH MY GOD MY ARM IS SHATTERED!" to "I'm good to shoot a basketball without any signs of any hesitation" in about 10 seconds.

[CTWarrior]

I am astonished how Golden State abandoned ball movement down the stretch and just kept firing up well-guarded threes.  As much fun as they are to watch when they are clicking, it was brutal watching them play offense when the off balance, not squared up threes are not falling.

James was phenomenal, but the 3 by Irving was the shot of the series.

Strange series, 6 games that weren't particularly close and the final was as close as you could want, nip and tuck the entire way, but was not crisply played. 

[StillAWarrior]

Wades, the problem with all of this is that if someone had secret footage* of LeBron saving an orphan from a house fire, you'd criticize how he did it.  You know it.  We all know it.


*Note:  I specified "secret footage" (i.e., didn't know he was being filmed) so you won't argue that he was doing it for the cameras.

[Pakuni]

I typically go from "OH MY GOD MY ARM IS SHATTERED!" to "I'm good to shoot a basketball without any signs of any hesitation" in about 10 seconds.

So, basically you're Wolverine.

[wadesworld]

Wades, the problem with all of this is that if someone had secret footage* of LeBron saving an orphan from a house fire, you'd criticize how he did it.  You know it.  We all know it.


*Note:  I specified "secret footage" (i.e., didn't know he was being filmed) so you won't argue that he was doing it for the cameras.

Nope.  His going up to the kid with autism (I think it was) in Boston was one of the coolest things I've seen in all of sports.

[warriorchick]

This pretty much sums up every Scoop thread in recent times.

[GGGG]

I am astonished how Golden State abandoned ball movement down the stretch and just kept firing up well-guarded threes.  As much fun as they are to watch when they are clicking, it was brutal watching them play offense when the off balance, not squared up threes are not falling.

Curry said the same thing in his post-game presser when he took a lot of the blame.  Pretty much said that he went for the "kill shot" too many times versus moving the ball. 

Don't get me wrong, when Love switched out on Curry at one point he did great preventing an open 3, but Curry could have easily driven on him and broke down the defense.  He just didn't do it.

[Mutaman]

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By your rationale, both Aaron Rodger and Brett Favre are "one year wonders."

of course not, they're Hall of Famers. But, as Wolfe made clear, their championship teams were. "Great" teams repeat.

[Lennys Tap]

of course not, they're Hall of Famers. But, as Wolfe made clear, their championship teams were. "Great" teams repeat.

A player (the same guy year after year) who has one good/great year in a mediocre career is a one year wonder.

Every team, however, is unique. Personnel changes from year to year. Certainly the '84 and '86 Chicago Bears don't measure up to the Packers of the mid '60s, Dolphins of the early '70s, etc. so the franchise can't claim a "dynasty". But that one team, the '85 Bears, was the greatest, most dominant and easily the most fun of any in NFL history. What they did with different players and coaches in years prior or post is beside the point.

[naginiF]

has anyone seen the early 'J.R. Smith post series incarceration' odds?  I'd take under on an over/under of 3 weeks with either any type of assault at 5:1 or specific domestic assault at 7:1

[MU82]

Yeah, because I definitely said he's a bum (unless we're talking as a human being, which he then certainly is), doesn't make others around him better, and isn't a top 10 player.  Oh wait, I've said he is a top 10 and most likely top 5 player, called out the person who said he didn't make players around him better, etc.  But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

It's one thing to have an "initial shock."  Especially when it's an actual injury.  Like a sprained ankle.  Where you actually miss time.  The fall wasn't even awkward at all.  He fell from high up, that was it.  He landed on one foot and was falling to the ground, so a lot of his momentum went onto the foot.  His wrist never got rolled under him, he didn't land straight on his wrist, nothing.  I've never in my life seen someone be screaming and hitting the ground for a good 2 minutes to the point that an entire team walks from the other end of the court to check on you and then get up and continue on with the same physical activity with absolutely, positively 0 issue.  If he sprained his wrist absolutely.  Feels worse right away, realize it's not bad as you thought.  I'm fairly confident in saying he wouldn't have been high fiving his teammates, carrying around the trophies, etc. with a sprained wrist.  And I'm fairly certain that to sprain your wrist there has to be some kind of extension in some direction of the wrist, which never happened.

First, the "bum" line wasn't meant for you but I certainly could see how you would take it that way as it was at the end of the post that was largely directed to you. So I apologize for the miscommunication.

Second, watching it several times, including in slow motion, I thought he stuck his right arm out to brace for the fall and it folded awkwardly under his 260-pound body.

But then again, unlike you, I am neither a doctor nor a physical trainer nor an expert on athletic injuries. And unlike you, I was not in the arena sitting 10 feet away from LeBron when he came down on his arm/wrist.

You and I agree on much, wades, and I really grew to respect your knowledge of the entire Ellenson situation. But IMHO, your disdain for LeBron clouds your judgment about many things involving him.

[tower912]

Wades, are you secretly Skip Bayless?

[wadesworld]

Wades, are you secretly Skip Bayless?

Yes.