RIP Muhammad Ali

[rocket surgeon]

rocket:

I am glad you checked back in to defend yourself rather than the rest of us having to read more blah-blah-blather from the sanctimoniously fauxraged one. I do hope he calls me PATHETIC a few more times, though. Talk about a badge of honor! It's kind of like Trump calling me PATHETIC; it would mean I'm definitely doing something right.

Although I didn't personally know Ali, I think I know him well enough from reading books about him, seeing him interviewed hundreds of times, etc, to know that he would not take it as a sign of respect that anybody in 2016 (or anytime in the last 40+ years) would call him Clay. Ali hated his slave name, he verbally attacked people who used it and his opponents often called him "Clay" to get a rise out of him.

Unlike Mr. Fauxrage, you seem like a genuine guy, so we should take you at your word that you didn't mean any disrespect by calling him by his slave name. So I do apologize for saying you intentionally meant to dishonor Ali.

I do hope you have learned from this, though. When Kareem dies, you might not want to say how much you respected ol' Lew Alcindor.

As for Mr. Fauxrage, you are one of maybe a half-dozen Scoopers who doesn't take him for a fool and a tool -- and smart money would probably bet the "under" on that number.

Chicos just views that as a sign that he is right about everything and the rest of us are wrong -- and that it's all one big conspiracy against him, too -- but I do hope Yogi realizes how very lucky he is to have you on this board, Boo-Boo.

i appreciate the acknowledgement and recognition of my unintentional reference to ali by his old name. 

as for chico (aka "yogi") coming to my rescue, he is like anyone else here who chimes in/lends support to another when they recognize something to be out of line.  it's refreshing to see/know that someone has your back when they know exactly what i meant.  chicos is just a very principled guy who likes to keep ya'll on your toes.
that aside, it is outrageous when the "r" word is tossed around so loosely.  i highly doubt we have any real neo's or kkk people here.  if there were, he/she wouldn't get to far.  it is an insult to have some here try to label others with that word. it's actually showing a "hate" or a disrespect to that person in the form of trying to shut them down even if it's not about politics.  one just wants to rid them from the board b/c one disagrees with them at times.

as for mr jabbar, if he is referred to as "lew" pre 1971, is that o.k., or racist or disrespectful?   as for mr. ali,  i never knew his birth name evoked such outrage.  as opposed to it being a footnote in his life.  but hey, who ever said we stop learning chit after the half century mark is an ignoramous

[Mutaman]

The never ending senario:

1. Chico and Surgeon will  blow their dog whistles.

2. Chico and Surgeon will get called out.

3. Here's the difference- Chico  will then  say that  there was nothing wrong with what he posted and claim that many others have said the same thing.  BooBoo wil profess ignorance and say he never meant to offend anyone. (Hard to believe anyone alive back in the day would be ignorant of the meaning of using the name "Clay").

4. Chico and Surgeon will then lash out at others for "playing the race card".

[naginiF]

I'm sure there are many others that are better written, but i found the USAToday's 'fight by fight' chronology really fascinating.  In first place is the iconic photo Chick posted-----the rematch both happened in Maine and was attended by less than 2,500 people.  http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2016/06/04/muhammad-ali-fight-by-fight-career/85341622/.  Go figure.

as for the other stuff in this thread......
- Bowie's remembrance thread turned into a conversation about strip clubs.  Beautiful and well done.
- Prince's remembrance thread turned into a great conversation about guitarists then turned a bit odd when celeb/genius drug use/abuse was projected into something larger.
- Ali's remembrance thread?  turned into a hypocritical cesspool of ignorance. 

Well done - can't wait until some other icon dies! 

[ChicosBailBonds]

rocket:

Unlike Mr. Fauxrage, you seem like a genuine guy, so we should take you at your word that you didn't mean any disrespect by calling him by his slave name. So I do apologize for saying you intentionally meant to dishonor Ali.

I do hope you have learned from this, though. When Kareem dies, you might not want to say how much you respected ol' Lew Alcindor.

As for Mr. Fauxrage, you are one of maybe a half-dozen Scoopers who doesn't take him for a fool and a tool -- and smart money would probably bet the "under" on that number.

Chicos just views that as a sign that he is right about everything and the rest of us are wrong -- and that it's all one big conspiracy against him, too -- but I do hope Yogi realizes how very lucky he is to have you on this board, Boo-Boo.

I didn't come to anyone's rescue other than sanity and just good human standards.  Calling someone racist when you don't know them or when that person did nothing of the kind is just amazing.  How you don't see this is quite alarming.. 

YOU, and ONLY YOU introduced race into this.  It's what you run too.  You should apologize, but that is beneath you.

As far as a genuine person, I couldn't be more genuine in trying to just do the right thing here....which was to challenge you and your nonsense.  That was deplorable what you and Brandx did.  Deplorable.  But it's your default setting.  You can't help yourself.  You really can't.   

I guess ESPN and Disney are racist for using the two shows they have on today titled Cassius Clay.  Go figure...start the letter writing campaign. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

i appreciate the acknowledgement and recognition of my unintentional reference to ali by his old name. 

as for chico (aka "yogi") coming to my rescue, he is like anyone else here who chimes in/lends support to another when they recognize something to be out of line.  it's refreshing to see/know that someone has your back when they know exactly what i meant.  chicos is just a very principled guy who likes to keep ya'll on your toes.
that aside, it is outrageous when the "r" word is tossed around so loosely.  i highly doubt we have any real neo's or kkk people here.  if there were, he/she wouldn't get to far.  it is an insult to have some here try to label others with that word. it's actually showing a "hate" or a disrespect to that person in the form of trying to shut them down even if it's not about politics.  one just wants to rid them from the board b/c one disagrees with them at times.

as for mr jabbar, if he is referred to as "lew" pre 1971, is that o.k., or racist or disrespectful?   as for mr. ali,  i never knew his birth name evoked such outrage.  as opposed to it being a footnote in his life.  but hey, who ever said we stop learning chit after the half century mark is an ignoramous

Hey Boo Boo, thanks.

Sincerely,

Yogi


Notice Mike couldn't apologize.  So amazing, isn't.  But he gave you a nice lecture and also decided how people should think, while slamming others that do the same...irony.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The never ending senario:

1. Chico and Surgeon will  blow their dog whistles.

2. Chico and Surgeon will get called out.

3. Here's the difference- Chico  will then  say that  there was nothing wrong with what he posted and claim that many others have said the same thing.  BooBoo wil profess ignorance and say he never meant to offend anyone. (Hard to believe anyone alive back in the day would be ignorant of the meaning of using the name "Clay").

4. Chico and Surgeon will then lash out at others for "playing the race card".

There was nothing wrong.  One person made this about race....Mike MU82.  Then another made a flat out racial statement....Brandx.  Then a third clown, a Badger at that, you came in to read people's minds and pretend to know what people think.




MU, what do you think this year.....Buffalo Grove...thoughts?

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm sure there are many others that are better written, but i found the USAToday's 'fight by fight' chronology really fascinating.  In first place is the iconic photo Chick posted-----the rematch both happened in Maine and was attended by less than 2,500 people.  http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2016/06/04/muhammad-ali-fight-by-fight-career/85341622/.  Go figure.

as for the other stuff in this thread......
- Bowie's remembrance thread turned into a conversation about strip clubs.  Beautiful and well done.
- Prince's remembrance thread turned into a great conversation about guitarists then turned a bit odd when celeb/genius drug use/abuse was projected into something larger.
- Ali's remembrance thread?  turned into a hypocritical cesspool of ignorance. 

Well done - can't wait until some other icon dies!

It's sad how many great musicians we have lost in their prime or well before the average citizen.  Shame.

Ali, great man.  Too bad the same idiots that play the race card and turn it into a cesspool of ignorance (Mutaman, MU82, Brandx) had to go there.  Shame, but none of us should be surprised.

And now we find out that Disney \ ESPN are "racist whiteys" to use Brandx's terms, because they've called their programming Cassius Clay.   

[Lennys Tap]

Chico -

i'm reasonably sure that rocket is a good guy and didn't realize that referring to Ali in 2016 as Cassius Clay is out of line and racist. He's apologized for his ignorance and it"s all good.

You, on the other hand, have become totally unhinged. Take a deep breath and stop digging the hole - you're up to your neck already.

[ChicosBailBonds]

rocket:

I am glad you checked back in to defend yourself rather than the rest of us having to read more blah-blah-blather from the sanctimoniously fauxraged one. I do hope he calls me PATHETIC a few more times, though. Talk about a badge of honor! It's kind of like Trump calling me PATHETIC; it would mean I'm definitely doing something right.

Another example, just can't keep politics out of it.  Shame.

Rules that don't apply to Mike

[GGGG]

Another example, just can't keep politics out of it.  Shame.

Rules that don't apply to Mike

Did you report the post to the moderator?  They are usually responsive.

[MU82]

Notice Mike couldn't apologize. 

Me to rocket a few posts ago: So I do apologize for saying you intentionally meant to dishonor Ali.

Me to Chicos right now: You are a liar, as usual.

Also, I am disappointed I went from PATHETIC to merely deplorable. Come on Mr. Trump, you can fauxrage louder than that.

Chicos, you are a caricature of yourself, and a joke to just about everyone on this board.

Now post some other obtuse reference to Cassius Clay as "proof" that Ali would consider it a sign of "respect" that people call him the slave name he disavowed a half-century ago.

Oh, and some of us have to work for a living in the early morning, so I'm going to bed now. I don't want you to be fauxraged that I'm not responding immediately to what's sure to be another Classic Chicos post. I know ... how PATHETIC of me to try to get 6 hours sleep.

Nighty-night!

[ChicosBailBonds]

"The hardest I was ever hit was by a Montana Cowboy"
-Ali

http://helenair.com/sports/other/roundup-cowboy-a-tough-foe-for-cassius-clay/article_baaee010-bc40-5e68-a086-cafdb87cc529.html

[brandx]

I'm sure there are many others that are better written, but i found the USAToday's 'fight by fight' chronology really fascinating.  In first place is the iconic photo Chick posted-----the rematch both happened in Maine and was attended by less than 2,500 people.  http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2016/06/04/muhammad-ali-fight-by-fight-career/85341622/.  Go figure.

as for the other stuff in this thread......
- Bowie's remembrance thread turned into a conversation about strip clubs.  Beautiful and well done.
- Prince's remembrance thread turned into a great conversation about guitarists then turned a bit odd when celeb/genius drug use/abuse was projected into something larger.
- Ali's remembrance thread?  turned into a hypocritical cesspool of ignorance. 

Well done - can't wait until some other icon dies!

That's funny. I was gonna post the same thing.

At least athletes get to rest when they die. Rock stars/Rappers work harder than ever after they are dead. They release albums at a much faster clip than when they were still kickin'.

[rocket surgeon]

"The hardest I was ever hit was by a Montana Cowboy"
-Ali

http://helenair.com/sports/other/roundup-cowboy-a-tough-foe-for-cassius-clay/article_baaee010-bc40-5e68-a086-cafdb87cc529.html

would have been a better story if it weren't written by some RACIST hillbilly from montana.  when is someone gonna tell him CC changed his name to muhammed ali hey

[vogue65]

Understand that Bryant Gumbel will be among the eulogizers, very interesting.  Most of my Afro-American friends have a deep disregard for Bryant for a host of reasons.  Glad to see that Mohammad held him in such high regard.  Both Bryant and Mohammad were ahead of the power curve. 

Also, it is too bad that some of my MUScoop friends are behind the curve.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Understand that Bryant Gumbel will be among the eulogizers, very interesting.  Most of my Afro-American friends have a deep disregard for Bryant for a host of reasons.  Glad to see that Mohammad held him in such high regard.  Both Bryant and Mohammad were ahead of the power curve. 

Also, it is too bad that some of my MUScoop friends are behind the curve.

Please, share with us whom is behind the curve since you know scoopers so well.  I'm sure you know about their friends, their hiring practices, their charitable works, etc.   Please, share.....bequeath us your knowledge.

By the way, you might want to get up on that curve....the term "Afro-American" is not used anymore. I would think your "Afro-American" friends would tell you this. 

[Lennys Tap]

Please, share with us whom is behind the curve since you know scoopers so well.  I'm sure you know about their friends, their hiring practices, their charitable works, etc.   Please, share.....bequeath us your knowledge.

By the way, you might want to get up on that curve....the term "Afro-American" is not used anymore. I would think your "Afro-American" friends would tell you this.

Who, not whom.

[vogue65]

Please, share with us whom is behind the curve since you know scoopers so well.  I'm sure you know about their friends, their hiring practices, their charitable works, etc.   Please, share.....bequeath us your knowledge.

By the way, you might want to get up on that curve....the term "Afro-American" is not used anymore. I would think your "Afro-American" friends would tell you this.

For one, you. 

My black friends are much too kind to make an issue of an irrelevant distinction because they know where I'm coming from.   Furthermore, they tend to be from my generation and they understand what Mohammad Ali stood for and against.

Afro-American as in Italian-American, Irish-American and Mexican-American.  If we knew what country the original "slave" came from we could be more specific. 

Furthermore, Mohammad was a trailblazer in the African-American community, is that better, with his conversion to Islam. 

Islam is doing wonders for hundreds of thousands, if not more, black Americans.  Their work in the inner cities to combat violence, drugs, and alcohol is to be commended and Mohammad Ali was an important part of the movement. 

Thank you Mohammad Ali for putting your love behind this religion.

[ChicosBailBonds]

For one, you. 

My black friends are much too kind to make an issue of an irrelevant distinction because they know where I'm coming from.   Furthermore, they tend to be from my generation and they understand what Mohammad Ali stood for and against.

Afro-American as in Italian-American, Irish-American and Mexican-American.  If we knew what country the original "slave" came from we could be more specific. 

Furthermore, Mohammad was a trailblazer in the African-American community, is that better, with his conversion to Islam. 

Islam is doing wonders for hundreds of thousands, if not more, black Americans.  Their work in the inner cities to combat violence, drugs, and alcohol is to be commended and Mohammad Ali was an important part of the movement. 

Thank you Mohammad Ali for putting your love behind this religion.

You don't know me from Adam.  Or my African American friends, my staffs over the years that have mostly been minorities and\or women that I hired, my charitable works and donations, etc, etc.

Furthermore, I have nothing against Islam as a religion, but thanks for the patronizing.  Even took Islam in college...as well as Hinduism.  I do have something against people that kill in the name of Islam (or for that matter kill in the name of Quakers, Catholics, Protestants, etc). 

The term "Afro-American" is frowned upon in this country....I would think you would know this.  The term was used in the 1960's and 1970s', but is no longer the preferred term.  Ironic, especially in this thread where some were accosted for using Cassius Clay, and here you are using "Afro-American". 

Amazing that I, the great unwashed in your eyes, knows that this term is no longer used and hasn't been for decades....but you, the enlightened one does not.  Interesting.  In case someone hasn't told you, the term "oriental" is no longer used either. 

Thanks for the lecture.

[vogue65]

You don't know me from Adam.  Or my African American friends, my staffs over the years that have mostly been minorities and\or women that I hired, my charitable works and donations, etc, etc.

Furthermore, I have nothing against Islam as a religion, but thanks for the patronizing.  Even took Islam in college...as well as Hinduism.  I do have something against people that kill in the name of Islam (or for that matter kill in the name of Quakers, Catholics, Protestants, etc). 

The term "Afro-American" is frowned upon in this country....I would think you would know this.  The term was used in the 1960's and 1970s', but is no longer the preferred term.  Ironic, especially in this thread where some were accosted for using Cassius Clay, and here you are using "Afro-American". 

Amazing that I, the great unwashed in your eyes, knows that this term is no longer used and hasn't been for decades....but you, the enlightened one does not.  Interesting.  In case someone hasn't told you, the term "oriental" is no longer used either. 

Thanks for the lecture.

You are more than welcome and no need to personally be offended or to defend yourself.  Your credentials seem very impressive.

As you may have discerned, my Vogue 65 refers to my time in Milwaukee, that is the mid 1960's as Vietnam raged and Mohammad made his courageous stand against the war.  That is the context of my original statement and I had no intention of bickering over the use of a term.  Nice to know that it was acceptable in the 1960's and 70's, thanks for the lecture on proper semantics in the black community today.

While I may have no idea about what is acceptable speech in your neck of the woods, you have no idea what life was like in the Vietnam years.  That is unless you were around then, as you say, I have no idea of your personal life, as you have no idea about mine. 

Of course one could claim to be well read and know the history, but that is another thing entirely.

Oh, and while were at it, being a boss, employing people and making charitable contributions is different from being a member of an extended family, having blacks in ones family, or simply being a true friend.  BTW, how do you do with the black dialect? 

[GGGG]

This may be one of the most embarrassing threads in Scoop history.

[Babybluejeans]

I love checking into Scoop every few days and seeing what threads have been hijacked by CBB and Co. An obituary about a legendary figure took less than one page before spinning down the rabbit hole of apparent grown-ups slinging mud at each other on the Internet. Now that's pathetic.

[MU82]

This may be one of the most embarrassing threads in Scoop history.

What, you don't like hearing about everybody's "African-American friends"?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Did you report the post to the moderator?  They are usually responsive.

I didn't think it would be necessary...since a college educated person, retired, acknowledged like the rest of us not to make them political.  Of course since that stance was taken, he started one thread in which he "hopes isn't political" and the whole thing is after two paragraphs and shut down.   Then he can't help himself in this thread three times.  In another thread, also shut down, he does it again.

He must be starved for the political stuff because he just can't stop the references time and again.  Maybe he has a reading problem...or maybe it was so part and parcel with his career line of work it is just second nature to him.

[GGGG]

Yep.  Even though you are always involved in this type of mess, it's always someone else's fault.