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Author Topic: This is a politics free zone!  (Read 26579 times)

rocky_warrior

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This is a politics free zone!
« on: May 17, 2016, 07:57:58 AM »
You know the drill - take the politics elsewhere.

Anything political posted here will be swiftly removed, and if you violate the rule too frequently, you'll find yourself without a place to post.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2016, 08:16:41 AM »
So is the Politics board a permanent deletion? 
« Last Edit: May 17, 2016, 08:18:23 AM by The Sultan of Sunshine »

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2016, 08:22:18 AM »
So is the Politics board a permanent deletion?  If so I think that was a good idea.

Considering what has happened to politics in our society I tend to agree.

Lots of mean spirited attack mode comments lately.  Considering that it has devolved into pretty much talking points and personal attacks, I'll get along fine without it distracting me from more useful endeavors.

If it returns, I'll try and maintain my civility.  I think I got my ignore category up to 5 members anyway.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2016, 08:54:20 AM »
Thanks rock. I largely stayed away for a reason even though I'm open about sharing my general political stripes.  I hope the few times I contributed my friends on the other side stayed my friends.  Good riddance.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2016, 09:31:51 AM »
So is the Politics board a permanent deletion?

Yes

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2016, 09:52:04 AM »
I think I got my ignore category up to 5 members anyway.

Is there a way to see ignore stats like there used to be?

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2016, 10:10:19 AM »
Did the deletion of the Politics Board have more to do with the content within, or the tendency for the vitriol from there to seep into the other portions of the site?

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2016, 10:36:20 AM »
The inevitable end.   It was banished once before.    In the reboot, the same people did the same things leading to the same result.   Thanks for trying mods. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2016, 01:09:53 PM »
What's topper gonna do now, what with him moderating gig gone and stuff?
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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2016, 01:37:15 PM »
Maybe Dodds can hire me on part time?

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2016, 01:44:19 PM »
Maybe Dodds can hire me on part time?

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2016, 04:57:08 PM »
Who posted last and what was it?
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2016, 05:05:35 PM »
Who posted last and what was it?

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2016, 10:59:48 PM »
Who posted last and what was it?

Keefe and Eng finally exchanged photos of their junk.
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2016, 11:00:58 PM »
I believe we should have one single thread dedicated to politics. Trying to weed through the madness would be amazing.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2016, 08:11:22 PM »
Does this mean Topper takes a pay cut?


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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2016, 08:23:30 PM »
Rocky, 

Can we replace the politics board with the Food Board?  i could see countless threads such as:

Inject or rub

The wonders of pork belly

Duroc or Hampshire

Heise could start a poll on Wojo's favorite Sonoran Salsa

Butts or brisket for the in-laws

A''aianaa???????



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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2016, 09:14:03 AM »
"Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon
Going to the candidates debate
Laugh about it shout about when you got to choose
Every way you look at it you lose"


Paul Simon - "Mrs. Robinson" 1968
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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2016, 09:48:26 AM »
Does this mean Topper takes a pay cut?

Yes, effective immediately he's taking a 33% pay cut. 

Food board...hmmm.  I think the superbar will do :)

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2016, 10:08:32 AM »
Coming to a stoplight near you.  Be kind, my brothers.


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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2016, 02:12:29 PM »
Maybe Dodds can hire me on part time?

Not gonna happen.  Way short on experience with the ban hammer.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2016, 06:56:53 AM »
what brought about the want for a politics board?   and then led to its removal?

Seemed pretty random. 

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2016, 11:50:35 AM »
what brought about the want for a politics board?

People's desire to discuss political issues.


and then led to its removal?

People's refusal to stop discussing political issues.
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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2016, 12:27:03 PM »
what brought about the want for a politics board?   and then led to its removal?

Seemed pretty random.

Despite there being a "No Politics Rule", posters would occasionally bring political comments and topics into the Superbar and discussions would just start to get heated and then locked by mods before they could blow-up.  In an attempt to de-police the Superbar the mods gave Marquette fans an outlet to vent by creating the Politics Board. 

Despite several heated discussions over several months things kept relatively level headed until a couple weeks ago when a few posters went way way way overboard leading to blow-ups that resulted in a 2-minute warning that the board was being shut down permanently. 

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2016, 09:01:39 AM »
Despite there being a "No Politics Rule", posters would occasionally bring political comments and topics into the Superbar and discussions would just start to get heated and then locked by mods before they could blow-up.  In an attempt to de-police the Superbar the mods gave Marquette fans an outlet to vent by creating the Politics Board. 

Despite several heated discussions over several months things kept relatively level headed until a couple weeks ago when a few posters went way way way overboard leading to blow-ups that resulted in a 2-minute warning that the board was being shut down permanently. 

The first part is kinda true.

The second part .. is not particularly close.

Honestly, I just got tired of it.  I wanted a political board for reasoned debate amongst the MU educated. 

Some of that happened, but a tiny handful of guys were insufferable and it was impossible to separate the baby from the bathwater.  We returned to our roots as a MUBB forum and we can rest easy that everyone can find a new political home, whether that be Breitbart or Daily Kos.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2016, 10:31:31 AM »
Shame it is gone.

The country is as divided as ever, why pretend it isn't.  Emotions can get high, but nothing got nasty.  Marquette alumni \ basketball fans will be no different.

If ever a year we should have one, this would be the year with the craziest of Presidential elections in our lifetime, social issues at every turn, economic, etc.  The proposed debate between DT and BS, what fun that would be. The NC gov surging back to the lead in the polls this week, min wage discussions, the conventions and possible riots at both, etc, etc.

A number of sports boards have off topic \ political boards.  I get the moderation aspect, though many of those other boards just let it fly. 

One thing for sure, this is going to be a much quieter board the next 4 months I suspect.  Offseason is quiet enough, and with what will dominate the news from now until November off limits, going to be pretty quiet.  I never understood why people who don't like it, just stay away from it, put people on ignore.  Oh well.



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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2016, 10:56:58 AM »
One thing for sure, this is going to be a much quieter board the next 4 months I suspect.  Offseason is quiet enough, and with what will dominate the news from now until November off limits, going to be pretty quiet.  I never understood why people who don't like it, just stay away from it, put people on ignore.  Oh well.


So Heisenberg gets less clicks, so what?

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2016, 04:57:48 PM »
So....took me 10 days to notice the PB was gone.  Proud of sticking to my vow to do my best to avoid it (although I will say one of the benefits of having a PB on a place like SCOOP is that you are forced [if you participate or lurk] to engage with other points of view--I like many tend to stick to sites with like-minded folks, and that is a problem). 

MUSCOOP traffic will be down during non basketball heavy times, but that is OK.


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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2016, 07:39:04 PM »
Between the offseason and the current political climate the politics board was a most welcome diversion. I actually learned a lot from both sides. Not much to look at here these days.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2016, 09:57:44 AM »
Jimmy Hendrix.

Star Spangled Banner.

ZMF.

We actually listened to this on Sunday and the correct answer is Purple Haze  :D

(I have most of the last 24 hours on CD)

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2016, 09:16:16 PM »
Yes

Thank God.  I knew it wouldn't last.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2016, 07:29:05 AM »
It's unfortunate as with an institute of higher learning, an exchange of ideas can be constructive, informative and healthy on many levels.  Now I'm not saying that scoop is an "institute" of higher learning, but most of us have either been to MU or, the less fortunate,

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2016, 11:33:01 AM »
It's unfortunate as with an institute of higher learning, an exchange of ideas can be constructive, informative and healthy on many levels.  Now I'm not saying that scoop is an "institute" of higher learning, but most of us have either been to MU or, the less fortunate,

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2016, 12:10:09 PM »
It's unfortunate as with an institute of higher learning, an exchange of ideas can be constructive, informative and healthy on many levels.  Now I'm not saying that scoop is an "institute" of higher learning, but most of us have either been to MU or, the less fortunate,
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The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2016, 09:14:56 PM »
Unfortunately the negative feelings generated from the politics board leak into the other boards. Posters were attacking each other because they began to dislike specific posters because of their political views. It made the board less enjoyable for those of us who stayed out of the politics board.

You are absolutely right on this one.  I can feel the heat even when I'm just trying to join in on some conversations.  Yes, I get snarky, sarcastic, goofy, but cheesus man, ride the bus once in a while, Eyn'a?

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2017, 02:14:56 PM »
Is there any particular reason that this is still pinned on the front page of the Superbar?
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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2017, 06:48:30 PM »
Is there any particular reason that this is still pinned on the front page of the Superbar?

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2017, 06:48:43 PM »
Is there any particular reason that this is still pinned on the front page of the Superbar?

In hopes that it may actually prevent some number of political posts on the board.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2017, 10:45:51 PM »
In hopes that it may actually prevent some number of political posts on the board.

Those hopes are long gone...

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2017, 07:01:06 AM »
Those hopes are long gone...

Yeah...my point entirely.  Every time I click on the Superbar, I see the "This is a politics free zone!" at the top of the page.  Then the vast majority of threads are full of politics.  This includes threads that are started as politics threads, as well as threads that are hijacked.  And politics makes its way into threads on the other page too.

Like a lot of others, I just marked my 11 year anniversary on this board.  Not sure I'll make it to 12.
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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2017, 09:23:23 AM »
Yeah...my point entirely.  Every time I click on the Superbar, I see the "This is a politics free zone!" at the top of the page.  Then the vast majority of threads are full of politics.  This includes threads that are started as politics threads, as well as threads that are hijacked.  And politics makes its way into threads on the other page too.

Like a lot of others, I just marked my 11 year anniversary on this board.  Not sure I'll make it to 12.

just start reporting them.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2017, 11:07:02 AM »
Oooh, a good place to repeat this from two months ago:


A few items:

1. Behave.  I can't stress this enough.  We're ~all adults here, and most went to MU.  Act like it.   Really.  Do that, and things will go well.

2. We do our best.   We try.  We fail.  Sorry it's not perfect for you.  Here's your refund.

Frankly, I like political discussion, and very much wanted a political board but people couldn't adhere to point #1, so it was a failed experiment. 

We've always had a 'light touch' on moderating Scoop.    We try to moderate in the dictionary definition sense.  A tuck here, a prune there, and at worst, a timeout when things get beyond reasonable.  TBH, I'm not sure we've ever banned anyone and not let them come back.

Sports and politics do intersect, and I do leave lightly political posts to see how they play out.  Egregious ones get the axe, but often it starts with a weed and two hours later we've got a forest and impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Unfortunately, we've got users -- on both sides -- who need to point out the utter travesty when they read a Scoop post that they prefer not to view or doesn't comply with the rules.   I have some advice:

Get. Over. It.  Stop reading the thread.  Ignore the poster.   Move along with your lives.
Get. Over. It.  Stop reading the thread.  Ignore the poster.   Move along with your lives.
Get. Over. It.  Stop reading the thread.  Ignore the poster.   Move along with your lives.

If you can't enjoy ~80% of Scoop and ignore 20%?  Dodds and IWB have boards, maybe you'll find your 100% there.  We'll welcome you back if you miss us. -- Or start your own site and bask in its awesomeness.   It's a real hoot, I encourage you to try it.

We're glad you're passionate.  But Scoop hasn't been perfect for its 10 years, isn't now, and won't be in the future.   Guaranteed. 

Enjoy your time here.  Really.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2017, 11:32:30 AM »
Oooh, a good place to repeat this from two months ago:

[snipped for brevity]


Honestly, Topper, I agree with absolutely everything you said.  I genuinely appreciate that you guys provide this forum and the work that you put into it.  I think you guys do a great job.  I have enjoyed Scoop for years, and still do.  As I said, some of what goes on here (the 20%, as you mentioned) might drive me away...might not.  Either way, I can't imagine it matters much to anyone.

The point of my first post above wasn't that the politics should stop.  It's your board and obviously there is a very significant portion of posters that obviously want that.  I'll even admit that I find some of the discussions that veer toward the political quite engaging.  The point of my first post was merely that it seems pretty silly to have a pinned post declaring this a "politics free zone" (not to mention the promise in the first post that political stuff will be "swiftly removed") when a significant percentage of the posts (and an increasing percentage of the threads) are political.  If the politics is allowed as long as people behave, that's fine.  It's your board.  But you might as well go ahead and unpin this thread.

And I will repeat:  thank you for providing and moderating this forum.  I really do appreciate it.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2017, 11:35:12 AM by StillAWarrior »
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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2017, 01:26:58 PM »
It's because not everything is cut and dry. 

Example .. We can have an NFL thread about the league.  It's even possible to talk about kneeling during the anthem -- and mention the political aspects and how tribes think and react -- at a high level.  It's possible, and we agree that these threads can be "quite engaging."

Until they're not.   

So all these "political threads" out there?   We have hope for them to inform and entertain at a high level.  Until we don't.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2017, 01:36:17 AM »
Hit report to moderator ever time you see politics.  Either you moderate it or you don't. Only way to ignore it is to leave Scoop as it hits every thread.  Same 6-10 posters, no matter the leanings.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2017, 06:37:35 AM »
Hit report to moderator ever time you see politics.  Either you moderate it or you don't. Only way to ignore it is to leave Scoop as it hits every thread.  Same 6-10 posters, no matter the leanings.

I’ll leave Scoop before I’ll become a pain in the moderators’ asses. They provide this forum completely free of charge and probably devote more time to it than I realize. They know what’s going on. If they want to stop it, they’ll stop it. If they want to allow it, they’ll allow it. It’s their choice. I’m not going to start pestering them just because their choice is different from what I would prefer.
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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2019, 10:18:14 AM »
Out of curiosity, what is the determining factor between whether a thread is locked or split after it goes off on a political tangent?
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

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Re: This is a politics free zone!
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2019, 10:37:52 AM »
A few factors ..  is this thread 50 pages long already?  Locked.  It's been debated, and the main purpose was likely lost 40 pages ago.

How many posts need to be split and removed?  15?  Ok, maybe split.  50?  No, locked.

Are bad/good posts intermingled or was there a certain post where it went off the rails?

Roughly .. how hard is it to separate the wheat from the chaff? And .. is it worth it?