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mug644

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The program we want to be
« on: March 26, 2016, 10:10:29 PM »
Three thoughts:

1. Villanova is the program that MU should aspire to be.

2. Villanova has become the program that MU used to be.

3. MU can get there again.

Go Nova. Go MU.

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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2016, 10:12:04 PM »
Respect the process, ayynahh!?

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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2016, 10:14:17 PM »
One common denominator, you need an outstanding point guard, has to control the game, does not turn it over, and can score.  Not sure MU has there guy right
now, maybe Howard.  But in Carter you need senior leadership, he might get there in a few years.

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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2016, 10:16:00 PM »
One common denominator, you need an outstanding point guard, has to control the game, does not turn it over, and can score.  Not sure MU has there guy right
now, maybe Howard.  But in Carter you need senior leadership, he might get there in a few years.

Agree

Take MU's team and add Archie, we are S16 good.

All about PGs.

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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2016, 10:17:30 PM »
Remember, a couple of years back Villanova was 13-18. Wright retooled and worked with senior leadership.

Good teams get good talent and good coaches stick around at good programs. Know Wojo can do the same if we're patient. Problem is we want it to happen overnight.

We'll get there!


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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2016, 10:21:39 PM »
2 guards that can both handle the ball and drain the three.  I mean drain 'em!  If ya noticed throughout so far.  Good teams have really good outside shooters.  It stretches the floor. 
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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2016, 10:24:06 PM »
2 guards that can both handle the ball and drain the three.  I mean drain 'em!  If ya noticed throughout so far.  Good teams have really good outside shooters.  It stretches the floor.

Rowsey and JJJ of the last 10 games of the season.

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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2016, 10:33:04 PM »
Remember, a couple of years back Villanova was 13-18. Wright retooled and worked with senior leadership.

Good teams get good talent and good coaches stick around at good programs. Know Wojo can do the same if we're patient. Problem is we want it to happen overnight.

We'll get there!

Well...if we're on the Villanova trail...

Villanova 2012: 13-19
Marquette 2015: 13-19

Villanova 2013: 20-14
Marquette 2016: 20-13

Villanova 2014: 29-5
Marquette 2017: ?-?

I'll take that ;D
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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2016, 10:39:07 PM »
Well...if we're on the Villanova trail...

Villanova 2012: 13-19
Marquette 2015: 13-19

Villanova 2013: 20-14
Marquette 2016: 20-13

Villanova 2014: 29-5
Marquette 2017: ?-?

I'll take that ;D

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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2016, 10:46:09 PM »
Well...if we're on the Villanova trail...

Villanova 2012: 13-19
Marquette 2015: 13-19

Villanova 2013: 20-14
Marquette 2016: 20-13

Villanova 2014: 29-5
Marquette 2017: ?-?

I'll take that ;D

Honestly, if HE comes back I think that would be about right.

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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2016, 10:49:24 PM »
Honestly, if HE comes back I think that would be about right.

Yeah...it really wouldn't surprise me. All the more reason I'm not thinking about that as a possibility. I can't bear to be that overoptimistic.
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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2016, 11:04:33 PM »
Honestly, if HE comes back I think that would be about right.

Who is Nova's Henry Ellenson?

Answer: They don't have the equivalent.

How have they gotten to the Final Four essentially without a 4?

Answer: They have great guards and wings, and don't need a classic 4.

Can our guards and wings be good enough next year to work with Fischer (a reasonable Ochefu facsimile?) to form a Nova-like unit?

I guess we'll see!
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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2016, 11:11:24 PM »
Patience and continuity help, too.

Wright is in his 15th season at Nova. Didn't make the NCAAs until Year 4. Since then, he's made the dance 11 of 12 seasons — including 4 Sweet Sixteen appearances and two Final Fours.

Four big factors will go a long way toward determining Marquette's basketball success in the next 5-10 years: Recruiting (impressive so far), player development (I'd say encouraging, your results may vary), in-game coaching (difficult to evaluate, but likely a work in progress), and Wojo's comfort level and/or aspirations.

It would be nice to see what he could do here over the next 13 years.
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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2016, 11:24:43 PM »
One common denominator, you need an outstanding point guard, has to control the game, does not turn it over, and can score.  Not sure MU has there guy right
now, maybe Howard.  But in Carter you need senior leadership, he might get there in a few years.

Bingo


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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2016, 12:51:39 AM »
Who is Nova's Henry Ellenson?

Answer: They don't have the equivalent.

How have they gotten to the Final Four essentially without a 4?

Answer: They have great guards and wings, and don't need a classic 4.

Can our guards and wings be good enough next year to work with Fischer (a reasonable Ochefu facsimile?) to form a Nova-like unit?

I guess we'll see!

This. You don't need a PF to be good in the BEast. It certainly helps, but strong wings and guards in a 4 guard offense can do a lot of damage.

That's why if HE goes pro, I think we are still ok. I think we will be great if we can grab a quality grad transfer. Personally, I like this guy: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14974380/canyon-barry-transfer-charleston-cougars
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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2016, 12:56:16 AM »
Remember, a couple of years back Villanova was 13-18. Wright retooled and worked with senior leadership.

Good teams get good talent and good coaches stick around at good programs. Know Wojo can do the same if we're patient. Problem is we want it to happen overnight.

We'll get there!

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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2016, 01:26:12 AM »
Who is Nova's Henry Ellenson?

Answer: They don't have the equivalent.

How have they gotten to the Final Four essentially without a 4?

Answer: They have great guards and wings, and don't need a classic 4.

Can our guards and wings be good enough next year to work with Fischer (a reasonable Ochefu facsimile?) to form a Nova-like unit?

I guess we'll see!

Luke's body would need to undergo a transformation. Ochefu has done that, especially this year. He has gone from being one of those kids that you wondered if could ever bang in this league to a legitimately built powerful big. Ochefu is a beast. I think Luke would need to add about 20 pounds of muscle. This will be his first healthy offseason since arriving. Hopefully he can make the most of it.
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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2016, 01:50:02 AM »


Take MU's team and add Archie, we are S16 good.


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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2016, 09:46:48 AM »
But not until Wojo steps up his game like Wright did in his first year.

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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2016, 10:00:31 AM »
Cinderella and that whole slipper thang at midnight lookin' to happen on Saturday, hey?
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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2016, 03:39:17 PM »
Who is Nova's Henry Ellenson?

Answer: They don't have the equivalent.

How have they gotten to the Final Four essentially without a 4?

Answer: They have great guards and wings, and don't need a classic 4.

Can our guards and wings be good enough next year to work with Fischer (a reasonable Ochefu facsimile?) to form a Nova-like unit?

I guess we'll see!
Ochefu was perhaps as big a reason as any as to why they beat KU. And we don't have anyone who resembles that inside toughness
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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2016, 04:37:08 PM »
You got that right, N/D.......#23- you bet!
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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2016, 10:32:25 PM »
Ochefu was perhaps as big a reason as any as to why they beat KU. And we don't have anyone who resembles that inside toughness

Again ... we'll see!
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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2016, 08:37:06 AM »
This. You don't need a PF to be good in the BEast. It certainly helps, but strong wings and guards in a 4 guard offense can do a lot of damage.

That's why if HE goes pro, I think we are still ok. I think we will be great if we can grab a quality grad transfer. Personally, I like this guy: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14974380/canyon-barry-transfer-charleston-cougars

A volume scorer from a low mid-major is the answer to MU's troubles?

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Re: The program we want to be
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2016, 08:40:08 AM »
A volume scorer from a low mid-major is the answer to MU's troubles?

I don't know if he's the answer to all of our "troubles" but he is a far and away the best grad transfer available right now. Last year we were gaga over Damion Lee, a volume scorer from a worse team from the same "low mid-major" conference.
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