What on earth am I missing?

[Dr. Blackheart]

Good god Chicos. All that powder (2-3 feet of fresh white stuff) and you are on the Scoop wireless spewing...

[Goose]

Dr.

I am a Chico's fan, but he is playing the younger crowd on here as entertainment. Respect his history in program big time and most of opinions, but he is pandering while on holiday.

Anyone with a brain knows the program is crossroads and little silver lining unless trying to create conversation. Chico's is good man and hope he enjoys the powder. Currently his comments are across the board and stoking the suckers out on scoop.

[GOO]

People seem to be talking out of both sides of their mouth on the transfer issue.

This whole "Wojo is looking at the long term" tries to play down that Wojo knows how impactful transfers can be(Carlino), and went after them after last season.  So Wojo and staff contacted graduate transfers like Damion Lee and others, but ended up striking out.  People keep pushing the narrative of "looking at the long term" because he wasn't able to get guys in the short term (which, admittedly, is easier said than done.  But it's not somehow the 'wrong' way). 

If Wojo landed a guy like Lee and we were discussing our first round matchup later this week instead of sitting at home again, would people be complaining that Wojo wasn't thinking long term?  Nope.

Wojo wants to win and wants to win now, like any coach.  But he won't bring in just anyone to win.  He will take a grad transfer that can help, if said grad transfer fits the other criteria (which happen to include being a solid student and caring about academics... which is pretty much the case with a grad transfer). 

He was left with a mess and getting a grad transfer is obviously within what he will do in the short term to shore things up.  I think he'd even consider the right JC player.  But the vision isn't to go out and sign a JC guy just because he is a great player who can help right away.  Same with a grad transfer.  They have to fit the bigger vision of where the team resides as part of the university. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

Dr.

I am a Chico's fan, but he is playing the younger crowd on here as entertainment. Respect his history in program big time and most of opinions, but he is pandering while on holiday.

Anyone with a brain knows the program is crossroads and little silver lining unless trying to create conversation. Chico's is good man and hope he enjoys the powder. Currently his comments are across the board and stoking the suckers out on scoop.

A Crean Slurper if there ever was one...but who gives up 3 feet of powder to defend his Lover Boy incessantly on Scoop?

[rocky_warrior]

Previous coach left behind 5 RSCI top 100 players, 3 of whom were top 60 and 4 of whom were underclassmen.

Lenny -- normally you're reasonable.  Previous coach couldn't win with those players.  You expect the new coach to win with those players?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Good god Chicos. All that powder (2-3 feet of fresh white stuff) and you are on the Scoop wireless spewing...

All of Nevada side closed.  All but 3 lifts closed on California side....high winds.  Can't enjoy the fresh white stuff if most of the mountain is closed, including Gondola to get you up there.  Good news is the next 4 days no wind, hit the slopes at 7:30 am. 

Thanks for checking in

[ChicosBailBonds]

Dr.

I am a Chico's fan, but he is playing the younger crowd on here as entertainment. Respect his history in program big time and most of opinions, but he is pandering while on holiday.

Anyone with a brain knows the program is crossroads and little silver lining unless trying to create conversation. Chico's is good man and hope he enjoys the powder. Currently his comments are across the board and stoking the suckers out on scoop.

Excuse me?

[Lennys Tap]

Lenny -- normally you're reasonable.  Previous coach couldn't win with those players.  You expect the new coach to win with those players?

Rocky - Buzz never had the chance to coach Duane or Luke and only had JJJ and Deonte as freshmen. That said, I'm not suggesting he left all that much for Wojo - but he certainly left a hell of a lot more behind than what he found waiting for him at Virginia Tech. Despite that, and despite the fact that Va Tech has no history to draw on, Buzz is further along in his rebuild than Wojo is.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Rocky - Buzz never had the chance to coach Duane or Luke and only had JJJ and Deonte as freshmen. That said, I'm not suggesting he left all that much for Wojo - but he certainly left a hell of a lot more behind than what he found waiting for him at Virginia Tech. Despite that, and despite the fact that Va Tech has no history to draw on, Buzz is further along in his rebuild than Wojo is.

And this affects Marquette how?

[Dr. Blackheart]

All of Nevada side closed.  All but 3 lifts closed on California side....high winds.  Can't enjoy the fresh white stuff if most of the mountain is closed, including Gondola to get you up there.  Good news is the next 4 days no wind, hit the slopes at 7:30 am. 

Thanks for checking in

Wow. Cannot hit the bowls at Kirkwood or Alpine Meadows that are wind protected? Sounds crazy.  Been at the top of Heavenly with high winds and it is scary.

[ChicosBailBonds]

A Crean Slurper if there ever was one...but who gives up 3 feet of powder to defend his Lover Boy incessantly on Scoop?

I haven't given up anything...are you having trouble reading?  Gondola closed Subday and Monday.  High winds, chairs aren't running.  Not sure how hard that is to process.  So we went snow showing in that powder yesterday.  Today a bunch of kids activities, etc....snow mobiling, etc.

We're all chompIMG at the bit to ski, but not wasting a lift ticket for only the bunny hill chairs that are open.  Please read.

I realize you are a huge Buzz slurper, he is a very good coach. If only he could keep his guys from doing stupid things and putting the university in a bad spot so many times, he wouldn't have squeezed. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

And this affects Marquette how?

It doesn't...not one bit

[Lennys Tap]

Wojo wants to win and wants to win now, like any coach.  But he won't bring in just anyone to win.  He will take a grad transfer that can help, if said grad transfer fits the other criteria (which happen to include being a solid student and caring about academics... which is pretty much the case with a grad transfer). 

He was left with a mess and getting a grad transfer is obviously within what he will do in the short term to shore things up.  I think he'd even consider the right JC player.  But the vision isn't to go out and sign a JC guy just because he is a great player who can help right away.  Same with a grad transfer.  They have to fit the bigger vision of where the team resides as part of the university.

Nonsense.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Dr.

I am a Chico's fan, but he is playing the younger crowd on here as entertainment. Respect his history in program big time and most of opinions, but he is pandering while on holiday.

Anyone with a brain knows the program is crossroads and little silver lining unless trying to create conversation. Chico's is good man and hope he enjoys the powder. Currently his comments are across the board and stoking the suckers out on scoop.

Goose,

Its alright to have a different opinion about the talent level on our team. Let's try to keep this civil.

[ChicosBailBonds]

FWIW I'm a) thoroughly enjoying the CBB's Pakuni powers working together and b) appreciate you carrying the battle flag for rational thinking Chico's.  I hope you get to ski but i also hope you keep your keyboard by your wine glass for another day.

One subject I'm baffled on is the "Buzz would have..." line of argument.  Buzz was/is a very good coach but it is well established the administration and board of directors of the university didn't feel that his approach to running the program was in line with what the university wanted.  I for one am glad we have an administration that wants to take the clear high road AND have a successful program.  A couple of off years is worth that goal.  Is it a sure thing? No, but it's worth striving for.

Agree entirely.

Grad rates were declining.
APR rates declining.
Police blotter incidents increasing.
Brand tarnishment and constant PR mode.
The last year, who knows what he was doing.


Admin has a university to run, not just a basketball program.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I haven't given up anything...are you having trouble reading?  Gondola closed Subday and Monday.  High winds, chairs aren't running.  Not sure how hard that is to process.  So we went snow showing in that powder yesterday.  Today a bunch of kids activities, etc....snow mobiling, etc.

We're all chompIMG at the bit to ski, but not wasting a lift ticket for only the bunny hill chairs that are open.  Please read.

I realize you are a huge Buzz slurper, he is a very good coach. If only he could keep his guys from doing stupid things and putting the university in a bad spot so many times, he wouldn't have squeezed.

I think you under (over) estimate my Buzz Slurping...

[Lennys Tap]

People seem to be talking out of both sides of their mouth on the transfer issue.

This whole "Wojo is looking at the long term" tries to play down that Wojo knows how impactful transfers can be(Carlino), and went after them after last season.  So Wojo and staff contacted graduate transfers like Damion Lee and others, but ended up striking out.  People keep pushing the narrative of "looking at the long term" because he wasn't able to get guys in the short term (which, admittedly, is easier said than done.  But it's not somehow the 'wrong' way). 

If Wojo landed a guy like Lee and we were discussing our first round matchup later this week instead of sitting at home again, would people be complaining that Wojo wasn't thinking long term?  Nope.

Logical and consistent with the facts instead of made up gobbledygook - refreshing.

[bilsu]

First of all I am predicting that Carter takes a huge step up as a sophomore. I think MU is kind of like Cincy, when they got rid of Huggins. When the chancellor wants the basketball team to represent the University in a certain way it limits what you can achieve on the court. Cincy has not been as good as they were under Huggins and they are definitely not as good as West Virginia has been with Huggins. I see the same thing happening with Virginia Tech as they will out do MU in the near future. I am not sure it is necessarily Wojo's fault. He is doing what the higher ups want him to do. That is build a team with lilly white (I am not referring to skin color) players. The trouble with that is you get a team that plays like lilly white players. Players that cannot rebound or play defense like the players Buzz can recruit at Virginia Tech.

[Lennys Tap]

And this affects Marquette how?

I was answering Rocky's question. Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities.

[rocky_warrior]

Rocky - Buzz never had the chance to coach Duane or Luke and only had JJJ and Deonte as freshmen. That said, I'm not suggesting he left all that much for Wojo - but he certainly left a hell of a lot more behind than what he found waiting for him at Virginia Tech. Despite that, and despite the fact that Va Tech has no history to draw on, Buzz is further along in his rebuild than Wojo is.

Still not true.  Buzz was coaching Luke (sitting out due to transfer) and Duane (sitting out due to injury) his last year in addition to JJJ and Deonte in games.  And you left out STJ in your "5 top 100 list"....at Toledo now.

Regardless of what Buzz INHERITED, that's what he LEFT BEHIND for Wojo to inherit.   Stop overestimating Wojo's inheritance.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Wow. Cannot hit the bowls at Kirkwood or Alpine Meadows that are wind protected? Sounds crazy.  Been at the top of Heavenly with high winds and it is scary.

Staying at Heavenly...no desire to ski Kirkwood or Alpine Valley.

Nevada had a power outage up at Heavenly today so they were a mess. 

Enjoyed the day with the wife and kids.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Goose

I think the talent is ok, so we are probably in agreement there, but I like Tracy and HC.  Heldt will be a decent big by the time he is a junior.  Like is a decent big, I think the additions next year hopefully are productive. 

We need to step up the talent game, I don't think anyone will argue with you on that front.  I just don't think the rebuild is as dire as you make it out.  Nor do I think Henry's departure is the end of times for this squad either. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I was answering Rocky's question. Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities.

Oh I wasn't really referring to that one specific post. I was asking you, how does what Buzz does at Virginia Tech have any affect or bearing on Marquette?

[Pakuni]

Rocky - Buzz never had the chance to coach Duane or Luke and only had JJJ and Deonte as freshmen. That said, I'm not suggesting he left all that much for Wojo - but he certainly left a hell of a lot more behind than what he found waiting for him at Virginia Tech. Despite that, and despite the fact that Va Tech has no history to draw on, Buzz is further along in his rebuild than Wojo is.

Well, there's a reason he never had the chance to coach Duane or Luke, right?

Anyhow, not sure why you're trying to turn this into a Buzz vs Wojo thing. Buzz is doing a nice job at VaTech. Nobody is arguing otherwise. Be happy for him.
But let's not deny that he's going about his rebuild differently, and while his immediate results are slightly better (are we really making a huge deal about an NIT bid?), it remains to be seen if it'll play out that way over the next few seasons. Fact remains, his best players are two upperclassman transfers and a kid the previous coach landed. His recruiting classes haven't exactly wowed anyone.
I still like MU's chances of being the better program 2-3 years down the road, if not sooner. Maybe I'll be wrong. Frankly, not sure Buzz will still be at VaTech long enough to find out.

Lastly, the "history" argument is trash. History doesn't win games, develop players or sign 17-year-olds.
You know who has a great basketball history? St. John's. You know who else? DePaul.  And Bradley. And Loyola. How's that working for them?
You know who has virtually no history? Miami. And Baylor. And Texas A&M.

[Lennys Tap]

Oh I wasn't really referring to that one specific post. I was asking you, how does what Buzz does at Virginia Tech have any affect or bearing on Marquette?

Buzz preceded Wojo at Marquette. There is a faction on Scoop who is dishonest about what Buzz was at MU and what he is now. As long as they're taking cheap shots and making stuff up about Buzz (which evidently doesn't bother you) I reserve the right to set the record straight.