Today in Conference Reallignment

[The Man in Gold]

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[Goatherder]

Good summary, but ND did not join the ACC until the Catholic 7 left the Big East.  Xavier and Butler were on the fringes waiting to join, but there was no formal announcement of membership beyond the C-7.  ND wanted to keep its football independence, and according to Mike Brey, seriously considered joining with the C-7.  I believe that is why the conference was originally the C-7 with Butler and Xavier presumably ready to join, and no decision on who might be added or how big the conference would be.  Certainly there was going to be a need to add one team, and that of course turned out to be Creighton. 

[GGGG]

Good summary, but ND did not join the ACC until the Catholic 7 left the Big East.  Xavier and Butler were on the fringes waiting to join, but there was no formal announcement of membership beyond the C-7.  ND wanted to keep its football independence, and according to Mike Brey, seriously considered joining with the C-7.  I believe that is why the conference was originally the C-7 with Butler and Xavier presumably ready to join, and no decision on who might be added or how big the conference would be.  Certainly there was going to be a need to add one team, and that of course turned out to be Creighton. 

Notre Dame announced they were joining the ACC in September 2012

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8369070/notre-dame-sports-football-hockey-acc

The Catholic 7 announced they were leaving in December 2012. 

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2012-12-15/seven-basketball-only-schools-leaving-big-east-start-new-conf

Now since these conversations were happening long before December, I am positive that ND knew what was going on and looked at the C7 as a potential option.  It probably caused them to look around to see what the best landing space might be.

[jsglow]

Notre Dame announced they were joining the ACC in September 2012

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8369070/notre-dame-sports-football-hockey-acc

The Catholic 7 announced they were leaving in December 2012. 

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2012-12-15/seven-basketball-only-schools-leaving-big-east-start-new-conf

Now since these conversations were happening long before December, I am positive that ND knew what was going on and looked at the C7 as a potential option.  It probably caused them to look around to see what the best landing space might be.

Ding, ding.  Winner, winner chicken dinner.

[MUMountin]

Now since these conversations were happening long before December, I am positive that ND knew what was going on and looked at the C7 as a potential option.  It probably caused them to look around to see what the best landing space might be.

Wasn't there also some talk after the fact about ND actually considering backing out of the ACC deal to join us?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Wasn't there also some talk after the fact about ND actually considering backing out of the ACC deal to join us?

I think the talk was to have them park in the Big East in the 1 year or so gap before joining the ACC.  So leaving the AAC earlier than original contracts may have stipulated.

[MU82]

No disrespect to Creighton at all, but I sure would have liked ND to be in this conference!

[jsglow]

Wasn't there also some talk after the fact about ND actually considering backing out of the ACC deal to join us?

I don't think that was ever serious.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Well, someone just got an invitation to the next Beer Summit at Chico's White Lives Matter Ranch in Idaho.

All lives matter

Like that of the Combres, good friends

https://www.youtube.com/v/KsRUj6o5A84

[ChicosBailBonds]

Too many people love football in the lower demographics and are willing to have their kids take the risks.

Stop with the risks over inflated nonsense.  Mayo Clinic did a study on this last year.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3538465/

http://portlandtribune.com/lor/49-opinion/242681-109622-high-school-footballs-benefits-outweigh-the-risks

They examined kids that played high school football in the 40's, 50's and found no differences to those that didn't play. If you were in the glee club, you had just as much chance as brain issues down the road.   Those that are effected are those that take a pounding constantly, but having kids play ball through high school....not an issue.  If you want to play in college and pros, sure there is a risk but there is a risk for many things in life.  We wouldn't have a military if every cowered.  We wouldn't have people operating heavy machinery, climbing utility poles, etc, etc.

[Eldon]

I don't think that was ever serious.

There was an article about this on ESPN at the time.  ND threw out the idea that they would be willing to consider (prefer?) playing the "new" Big East during their gap year.  Apparently it was the Big East that turned them down.

[jsglow]

There was an article about this on ESPN at the time.  ND threw out the idea that they would be willing to consider (prefer?) playing the "new" Big East during their gap year.  Apparently it was the Big East that turned them down.

I remember the gap years stuff but that's as far as that went IIRC.

[warriorchick]

I remember the gap years stuff but that's as far as that went IIRC.

So magnanimous of ND to offer, though.  I am glad they told them to go pound sand.

[nathanziarek]

They examined kids that played high school football in the 40's, 50's

...and the 40s did just happen, so that's relevant.

It doesn't really matter what is or isn't happening with regards to concussions and football. Only the perception matters. I think you are going to see football slowly fade out (just like every other "most popular sport in America"). It'll take a long time—it's very popular—but it'll be interesting to see what happens to conference alignment as a consequence.

"Never stop recruiting" realignment style?

[GGGG]

So magnanimous of ND to offer, though.  I am glad they told them to go pound sand.

Yep.  It was the C7 who rejected that notion, so ND went back to the ACC for an earlier start date.

BTW, interesting stuff on twitter today about the Big Ten still looking at the ACC for expansion and that ESPN is trying to head that off at the pass.

[Marcus92]

Miami and Atlanta are the #8 and #9 metro markets in the country.

I doubt Miami (a private university) fits what the Big Ten is looking for. But Florida State might. It's a public school ranked in the top 50 by U.S. News & World Report, one that apparently aspires to become a top 25 public research university. Also ranked by Forbes as the #17 most valuable program in college football (tops in the ACC). The fact that it's located in Tallahassee almost 500 miles from Miami may not matter if the FSU alumni base is big enough.

Georgia Tech is also ranked in the top 50 public universities, with an engineering program some say is one of the 10 best in the world. Located right in downtown Atlanta.

I hope the realignment carousel keeps on spinning. Happy we got off the ride and can safely watch the spectacle from a distance.

[Herman Cain]

I think what matters most for MU is we are part of a conference of like minded institutions that has a primary focus on basketball, has stability and also is an attractive platform for the rest of our athletic offerings.

Over time the NCAA units will pile up for everyone in the league which should allow all the teams in the league to continue to improve their programs.

When the TV contract comes up for renewal there will be multiple bidders and I am confident the Big East will do fine.

Marquette is in the best position it could possibly be by being in the Big East.  We do not have a football program so we are not going to be in the Power 5 conferences. Our Big East conference is much stronger and has more upside than the A-10 or the American. One notable development is all of the Big East schools are doing very well in recruiting. The kids are excited about playing in our league and like the campus environment that our schools offer.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Yep.  It was the C7 who rejected that notion, so ND went back to the ACC for an earlier start date.

BTW, interesting stuff on twitter today about the Big Ten still looking at the ACC for expansion and that ESPN is trying to head that off at the pass.

I saw this Twitter exchange posted on another board.


MH ver3‏@MH ver3
Ok so now I can share my ACC info

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
ESPN not launching ACCN. Going to offer ACC an extra $30m per year on contract to give each school a $2m bump.

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
ESPN also going to make members of ACC sign a new GOR in order to get the $

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
Several ACC schools expected to not agree with this. ESPN trying to avert B10 gutting ACC.

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
This will be ESPNs last ditch effort to keep ACC intact.

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
FSU,UVA,UNC, Duke, Clemson, and GT are all going to be opposed of GOR

MH ver3‏@MH ver3
ACC will not get their extra $$ if GOR not signed by all. 

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 48m48 minutes ago
Just to clarify: ACC GOR would not be an extension of the current GOR but a new GOR entirely with no backdoor clause hinging on ACCN launch

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 48m48 minutes ago
The current ESPN contract always stated that of no network was launched then the deal and GOR would be reworked within a certain time period

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 49m49 minutes ago
And the time is up

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 48m48 minutes ago
ESPN is already losing $$ on current ACC deal and would be losing more by giving more $$

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 48m48 minutes ago
Back when ACC was making $14m per school and it looked like FSU and Clemson were leaving ESPN threw more $& at ACC

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 47m47 minutes ago
Then the cord cutting started in earnest and profits began to plummet and cuts were made

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 47m47 minutes ago
Now ESPN has backed itself in a corner and it is cheaper to thrown$30m per year at ACC than to lose way more trying to launch a network

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 46m46 minutes ago
B12N is only feasible to ESPN because it would use the existing LHN infrastructure and LHN already has carriage in heart of B12

Brad Weiss ‏@UConnPittDad · 48m48 minutes ago
@MH3 is UCONN is squarly in the mix?

MH3‏@MH3
@UConnPittDad yes. Very much so. Vital market for a conference network to obtain.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 45m45 minutes ago
ESPN was in a position where it was going to have to pay the old BigEast a big payday to keep the rights because the ratings were there

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 44m44 minutes ago
Instead they used ACC to destroy BE and now it is looking like it is the ACC's time to take the fall

‏@ · 44m44 minutes ago
ESPN gets most of what they want with B12 and SEC

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 46m46 minutes ago
And buys some of what they want from B10.

MH3 ‏@MH3 · 46m46 minutes ago
And then they have some of the PAC for the games no one outside of California gives a damn about. 

[mu03eng]

Miami and Atlanta are the #8 and #9 metro markets in the country.

I doubt Miami (a private university) fits what the Big Ten is looking for. But Florida State might. It's a public school ranked in the top 50 by U.S. News & World Report, one that apparently aspires to become a top 25 public research university. Also ranked by Forbes as the #17 most valuable program in college football (tops in the ACC). The fact that it's located in Tallahassee almost 500 miles from Miami may not matter if the FSU alumni base is big enough.

Georgia Tech is also ranked in the top 50 public universities, with an engineering program some say is one of the 10 best in the world. Located right in downtown Atlanta.

I hope the realignment carousel keeps on spinning. Happy we got off the ride and can safely watch the spectacle from a distance.

There are only going to be four schools that the Big 10 would likely accept from the ACC: Virginia, Duke, UNC, and Georgia Tech. Those are the only schools in the ACC that are AAU as well which is a big deal. Nebraska is the only school that isn't AAU in the Big 10 and when they lost that rating just after joining the Big 10 they were almost kicked out.

There is no way a Florida State or Miami is going to fit into the Big 10. The Big 10 just wants to access the south, they don't have to go all the way into Florida for that.

[mu03eng]

Yep.  It was the C7 who rejected that notion, so ND went back to the ACC for an earlier start date.

BTW, interesting stuff on twitter today about the Big Ten still looking at the ACC for expansion and that ESPN is trying to head that off at the pass.

Yep, ESPN created this monster and now is having trouble controlling it because of so many network options now. Contract is coming due for Big Ten soon, ESPN has to keep that in the fold but at as low a cost as possible

[nathanziarek]

Any one know how factual that Twitter exchange is? Pretty fascinating to peek behind the curtain.

[Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup]

There are only going to be four schools that the Big 10 would likely accept from the ACC: Virginia, Duke, UNC, and Georgia Tech. Those are the only schools in the ACC that are AAU as well which is a big deal. Nebraska is the only school that isn't AAU in the Big 10 and when they lost that rating just after joining the Big 10 they were almost kicked out.

There is no way a Florida State or Miami is going to fit into the Big 10. The Big 10 just wants to access the south, they don't have to go all the way into Florida for that.

Agree with your point generally, but Pitt is also AAU.

[GoldenWarrior11]

MH3 is not reputable at all.  He is as reliable at Yoda or TheDudeWV with regards to realignment.  Look them up if you want a laugh. 

[Dawson Rental]

Relevant.

Every day I get up and thank God that you are there, ever vigilant to protect me and others from irrelevant threads!

[GGGG]

MH3 is not reputable at all.  He is as reliable at Yoda or TheDudeWV with regards to realignment.  Look them up if you want a laugh. 

I agree with this.  He tends to be a little out there.  However the Big Ten is trying to make moves.  Their next deal is coming due after the next academic year.