Marquette Gambled -- post last year

[curbina]

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curbina
« on: February 01, 2015, 10:24:33 AM »
Considering the inconsistent track record of Duke assistants (see list shown below) Marquette gambled on an assistant with no experience as a head coach. Under Wojo's leadership Marquette basketball is now in complete turmoil! I suppose you could say that "you've got to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em" and it is now time to send Wojo back to Duke and hire an experienced basketball coach!

List of former Duke assistant coaches.

Chris Collins (Northwestern Head Coach)
Collins first year (2013-2014) at Northwestern was less than stellar with a conference record of 6-12 and an overall record of 14-19. This year Northwestern is 1-7 in conference play and have an overall record of 10-11.

Mike Brey (Notre Dame Head Coach)
Brey is the most successful former assistant of Coach K, winning over 375 games in his time as a head coach at Delaware and Notre Dame. The three-time Big East Coach of the Year has the Irish back in the hunt for a conference title this season. But despite Brey's sparkling winning percentage, he's only been to the Sweet 16 once in 17 seasons as a head coach.

Tommy Amaker (Harvard Head Coach)
Amaker was fired at Michigan in 2007 and is now toiling in the obscurity of the Ivy League.

Johnny Dawkins (Stanford Head Coach)
In 2008, he was given the head coaching job at Stanford, but Dawkins' first four years were mediocre at best. Dawkins did win the 2012 NIT Tournament and finally made the 2014 NCAA Tournament and was eliminated in the Sweet Sixteen by Dyton. This year Stanford is 6-3 in conference play and have an overall record of 15-6.

Jeff Capel (Ex-Oklahoma Head Coach)
Capel lead VCU to 79 wins in four seasons. After riding Blake Griffin to the 2009 Elite Eight, Capel's Oklahoma teams nosedived with two straight losing seasons. Capel has come back to Coach K, tail tucked between his legs, and is currently an assistant coach for the Blue Devils.

Quin Snyder (Ex-Missouri Head Coach)
Snyder then accepted the head coaching position at the University of Missouri, and led the Tigers to four consecutive NCAA Tournaments, including one Elite Eight appearance. After two NIT appearances followed, Snyder was axed in Columbia. He's now a long way from home as an assistant for Russia's CSKA Moscow.

Robert Brickey (Ex-Shaw Head Coach)
Brickey's only head coaching job came in DII at Shaw University, where he only lasted three seasons. Brickey is currently the Director of Basketball at Hoops City U, a youth basketball program.

Mike Dement (Ex-UNC-Greensboro Head Coach)
Demant coach at Cornell, SMU and UNCG, not exactly blue blood program. Dement made the NCAA tournament once at Cornell but has resigned his past two head coaching positions at SMU and UNCG midseason, the latter coming in December of 2011.

David Henderson (Ex-Delaware Head Coach)
Henderson coached under Krzyzewski between 1998-2000, when he was tapped to be the University of Delaware's head coach. In 2006 Henderson was fired after Delaware posted a 9-21 record. He hasn't resurfaced in college basketball since.

Tim O'Toole (Ex-Fairfield Head Coach)
After one season as a Seton Hall assistant, O'Toole took over for his alma mater, Fairfield, as the program's head coach. In eight years, O'Toole could only muster one NIT appearance and was out the door. He's currently the director of basketball operations for Syracuse.

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[jesmu84]

Cool post, guy.

[tower912]

Getting out of bed is a gamble.  Staying in bed is a gamble.    Every coaching hire is a gamble.   Hiring Larry Williams and Scott Pilarz was a gamble.   

[curbina]

Getting out of bed is a gamble.  Staying in bed is a gamble.    Every coaching hire is a gamble.   Hiring Larry Williams and Scott Pilarz was a gamble.

Very true, that is why "you've got to know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em".

[tower912]

Or "don't mess with happy."

[MU82]

Welcome to the site, curbina.

We need another negative dipshyte to come out of the woodwork and tell us how doomed the program is.

[tower912]

Welcome to the site, curbina.

We need another negative dipshyte to come out of the woodwork and tell us how doomed the program is.

A little harsh.

[CAINMUTINY]

3 posts.  That's cute.

Wojo while not having produced any tourney appearances or wins has crushed when it comes to recruiting, especially in the state of wisconsin and with bigs.  This team is incredibly young and still playing decently.  If HE sticks around we're a top 15 team next year with the addition of Hauser and Rowsey. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Patience people. A loss last night does not have any effect on next year's season. This was always going to be a rebuilding year. If we aren't better by next season then start to  worry

[mu-rara]

Patience people. A loss last night does not have any effect on next year's season. This was always going to be a rebuilding year. If we aren't better by next season then start to  worry

Amen Brother.

[WarriorPride68]

3 posts.  That's cute.

Didn't see that being on mobile. In that case:

[crazyfannyboy54]

I just have a hard time believing how WOJO wowed in the interview process and has produced such B minus results. Just wondering what the PREZ saw instead of Martin or other coaching applicants.

[Golden Avalanche]

I just have a hard time believing how WOJO wowed in the interview process and has produced such B minus results. Just wondering what the PREZ saw instead of Martin or other coaching applicants.

The answer is revealed in your own wondering.

[tower912]

I just have a hard time believing how WOJO wowed in the interview process and has produced such B minus results. Just wondering what the PREZ saw instead of Martin or other coaching applicants.

That is easy.   Wojo was the anti-Buzz.   Clean background.   Long history at the elbow of coach K.  All of that experience working with the Olympic/National team.   Do a positive interview based on what you had learned through all of those experiences, project how you are going to turn Marquette into the Duke of the Big East, and voila. 

[crazyfannyboy54]

Do we think the PREZ and board fell in love with WOJO too quickly???

[Dawson Rental]

Do we think the PREZ and board fell in love with WOJO too quickly???

No, WE don't think that at all.

A little history for the nonobservant.  Wojo is playing with a team with no seniors and five (half the team) freshmen, three of whom are starting. 

How did such a thing come to be?

  1. Buzz had some recruiting miscues leading to a very poor final year for him.

  2. Buzz left resulting in only one of a very solid recruiting class of five - Sandy Cohen - coming on board.

  3. As a result, Wojo had to coach his first season with a very undermanned team. And currently Wojo is coaching in arguably the best basketball conference in the county with a freshman dominated team.  For those who know basketball, the inconsistency of this year's team was expected.

The article quoted in the initial post is an example of what is called the post hoc fallacy which falsely assumes that correlation proves causation.

[keefe]

No, WE don't think that at all.

A little history for the nonobservant.  Wojo is playing with a team with no seniors and five (half the team) freshmen, three of whom are starting. 

How did such a thing come to be?

  1. Buzz had some recruiting miscues leading to a very poor final year for him.

  2. Buzz left resulting in only one of a very solid recruiting class of five - Sandy Cohen - coming on board.

  3. As a result, Wojo had to coach his first season with a very undermanned team. And currently Wojo is coaching in arguably the best basketball conference in the county with a freshman dominated team.  For those who know basketball, the inconsistency of this year's team was expected.

The article quoted in the initial post is an example of what is called the post hoc fallacy which falsely assumes that correlation proves causation.

This is all on that sonuvabitch Bert!

[GGGG]

Furthermore, it was written a year ago.  Since then...

Brey got to the E8 where ND lost a heartbreaker to Kentucky.

Collins has Northwestern heading in the right direction.

Amacher won is fourth straight Ivy League title and came within two points as a #13 seed of beating UNC.

The article was wrong last year regarding Snyder.  He was, and is currently, the head coach of the Utah Jazz.  He would have likely remained in college had he not had rules violations.

[keefe]

The article was wrong last year regarding Snyder.  He was, and is currently, the head coach of the Utah Jazz.  He would have likely remained in college had he not had rules violations.

Same thing applies to Dave Bliss...

Actually, Snyder is a Mercer Island guy. A bud played high school ball with him before going on to play at the Academy. He said Snyder was the greatest friend in the world but a dick to everyone else.

[WarriorPride68]

Same thing applies to Dave Bliss...

Actually, Snyder is a Mercer Island guy. A bud played high school ball with him before going on to play at the Academy. He said Snyder was the greatest friend in the world but a dick to everyone else.

This is excellent. I've always wanted to know if the Coke head rumors were legit when he was at Mizz?

[tower912]

This is all on that sonuvabitch Bert!

No, this is all on those sonsabitches Larry and Pilarz, who poisoned the MU well for Buzz.    Based on what he did at MU and what he is currently doing at VTech, what do you think the state of the MU program would have been if he had stayed?

[Class71]

This is all on that sonuvabitch Bert!

First blame your predecessor, then blame the tough cinference, then the refs, then repeat as long as folks can tolerate it or take some bold action to straighten this mess out.

[keefe]

No, this is all on those sonsabitches Larry and Pilarz, who poisoned the MU well for Buzz.    Based on what he did at MU and what he is currently doing at VTech, what do you think the state of the MU program would have been if he had stayed?

I'm with you, bro.

I said it at the time: Pilarz and Williams (Larry) were toxic. There were issues within the Athletic Department as a whole and in Men's BB in particular but they applied a meat cleaver when a scalpel would have been more effective. The struggles of the past three years are on Pilarz more than any other single individual.

I read in a Georgetown Prep email that Pilarz is hosting Poetry Readings in the evenings. To me, that is really creepy.

[Golden Avalanche]

No, this is all on those sonsabitches Larry and Pilarz, who poisoned the MU well for Buzz.    Based on what he did at MU and what he is currently doing at VTech, what do you think the state of the MU program would have been if he had stayed?

VTech got blown to bits by two best teams in non-con and have not one win of note in a piddling 8-5 start to the season. Their ACC wins are mostly against the dregs of the conference and Virginia, who is mediocre this season. It's not a miracle job. Buzz went to the ACC knowing, like the Big East he coached in, that there was enough crap on the bottom of the pile for him to not be the absolute worst. Considering that low bar, sure, he's currently doing wonderfully.

Come next week when the schedule balances out, VTech will be 4-4 heading into four of their next five on the road. Let's see then if the plaudits hold up.

[Dawson Rental]

I'm with you, bro.

I said it at the time: Pilarz and Williams (Larry) were toxic. There were issues within the Athletic Department as a whole and in Men's BB in particular but they applied a meat cleaver when a scalpel would have been more effective. The struggles of the past three years are on Pilarz more than any other single individual.

I read in a Georgetown Prep email that Pilarz is hosting Poetry Readings in the evenings. To me, that is really creepy.

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