Marquette keeping opponents away from free throw line

[Silkk the Shaka]

This is meaningless.

We have played a schedule of cupcakes whose only chance was to fire up three's.

Conversely, they have had no defense other than fouling - for the most part - to stop our bigger guys inside.

All in favor of referring to UW as a cupcake from now on?

[BM1090]

This is meaningless.

We have played a schedule of cupcakes whose only chance was to fire up three's.

Conversely, they have had no defense other than fouling - for the most part - to stop our bigger guys inside.

I don't think it's meaningless. If we were merely good at keeping teams away from the line then I'd agree it's meaningless. But best in the country? Even with a soft schedule, that means something.

[brandx]

All you are doing is hurting Matt. That doesn't seem right. The guy has done a great job covering our favorite team and deserves the credit.

Post the link but stop cutting and pasting the whole article.

Exactly. He should be getting the hits.

[brandx]

I understand completely what you are saying.  Fact is no one reads him (see my post above) and if I just post his link (which I will do alone in the coming days) watch how that thread dies and not one bothers.

Show us proof of that - instead of just pulling every thought you have out of your a$$.

[brandx]

I don't think it's meaningless. If we were merely good at keeping teams away from the line then I'd agree it's meaningless. But best in the country? Even with a soft schedule, that means something.

Eagle, I should have been clearer in my response. When I said it is meaningless, I meant right now it is meaningless.

If the numbers look like this or even close when we are halfway through the BE schedule, it is going to mean a lot.

[MU82]

Heisy, honestly ...

I understand why those who want Matt to get credit for the clicks say what they do. I don't understand why you are so against it. Makes no sense. I like to think you aren't acting purely out of stubbornness and/or selfishness, but it certainly appears you are.

Matt is not going to get fired if his articles don't generate the few hundred extra clicks that he might get from Scoopers. It almost surely will not make a material difference in his future salaries or promotions, either. But that's besides the point. It's the principle.

On the Politics Board, you often talk about doing something for the principle of it, or because it's the right thing to do. Do you really believe that, or is it just blah-blah-blah?

Matt does excellent work covering the Warriors. He deserves the clicks. Period.

[Tugg Speedman]

Heisy, honestly ...

I understand why those who want Matt to get credit for the clicks say what they do. I don't understand why you are so against it. Makes no sense. I like to think you aren't acting purely out of stubbornness and/or selfishness, but it certainly appears you are.

Matt is not going to get fired if his articles don't generate the few hundred extra clicks that he might get from Scoopers. It almost surely will not make a material difference in his future salaries or promotions, either. But that's besides the point. It's the principle.

On the Politics Board, you often talk about doing something for the principle of it, or because it's the right thing to do. Do you really believe that, or is it just blah-blah-blah?

Matt does excellent work covering the Warriors. He deserves the clicks. Period.

I agreed to stop posting his text in its entirety, said so above.  Rocky even edited it already.

Again, for a guy that does great work, he hardly ever gets mentioned here, his auto-generated links have almost very few hits.   We say how good his stuff is yet act like no one reads him.  Or if they do, how come no one thought his free throw story was not important enough to post until I did three days later?  Yet every fart from Katz and Medcalf that is even remotely related to MU and/or the Big East gets linked, discussed and dissected to death?

Matt is a talented guy in a dying industry and his dying industry is holding him back.   He's be better off as a blogger or even working with Paint Touches instead of the fish-wrap known and the Journal-sentinel.

[PaintTouches]

Matt is a talented guy in a dying industry and his dying industry is holding him back.   He's be better off as a blogger or even working with Paint Touches instead of the fish-wrap known and the Journal-sentinel.

Dude, if Matt wants to join PT and share in the $10 a month we make, he's more than welcome. For now, just let it go man. Matt does great work that should be supported not preempted. Trust me, those couple hundred clicks may be insignificant for any one particular story, but Scoop sends a 10-20k page views to PT every year. Add it all up and it does make a difference.

[BM1090]

Eagle, I should have been clearer in my response. When I said it is meaningless, I meant right now it is meaningless.

If the numbers look like this or even close when we are halfway through the BE schedule, it is going to mean a lot.

This is fair.

Also, regarding the Matt V. discussion....I read every single one of his articles regardless if they are posted here. He's been fantastic covering Marquette. We've had a few terrible reporters since Rosiak, whether it was effort (Hunt) or everything (Enlund), we've all had to deal with little to no attention being paid to Marquette from the JS.

We finally have a great reporter. If there's even a slight chance that clicking his links means that Matt gets to continue to cover Marquette, we should do it. There's no downside, and he deserves it.

[brandx]

This is fair.

Also, regarding the Matt V. discussion....I read every single one of his articles regardless if they are posted here. He's been fantastic covering Marquette. We've had a few terrible reporters since Rosiak, whether it was effort (Hunt) or everything (Enlund), we've all had to deal with little to no attention being paid to Marquette from the JS.

We finally have a great reporter. If there's even a slight chance that clicking his links means that Matt gets to continue to cover Marquette, we should do it. There's no downside, and he deserves it.

Bravo. I agree with everything you said about the job that Matt does (and what the last couple didn't do).

We should support Matt by going to JSonline to read his articles.

[MU82]

Matt is a talented guy in a dying industry and his dying industry is holding him back.   He's be better off as a blogger or even working with Paint Touches instead of the fish-wrap known and the Journal-sentinel.

This shows a total lack of understanding of the media landscape.

It is almost impossible to make a living writing for the interwebs. There are a few exceptions: ESPN.com, Yahoo.com, maybe a couple others. But for the most part, writers on Internet sites make diddly. Even the biggies like the ones I named have had huge rounds of layoffs recently.

Bloggers? The vast majority make zero. That's right: Zero. They do it for the love of the work and to hope against hope that they will be discovered. It's a very difficult way to try to make a mark.

Paint Touches? $10/month, as the guy a few posts before me said. I spent a few months writing for Chicago Now -- the Chicago Tribune's blog site -- just to stay in "the game." But by my fourth month, after my biggest paycheck was $18 -- for an entire month -- I realized it was idiocy on my part and said hasta la vista.

In contrast, reporters at major metro newspapers can make a living. Most aren't getting rich, but they can earn a real salary that can help support a real family. It is a dying industry, but it isn't dead yet, and won't be for some time.

The only way somebody like Matt has of getting a great job at a place like ESPN.com or at a bigger newspaper in a bigger market is to kick a$$ at the Journal-Sentinel and hope his resume can impress the powers-that-be. It's a tough road, because the competition is fierce.

[MU86NC]

So I think we have this settled...

[slingkong]

Agreed all is too much but "most" may not be, if you can define"most."  Seems no one define "most. see the link below.

I will abide by the new rules because Rocky said so.

http://www.socialfresh.com/how-to-use-content-from-other-blogs-without-infringing-on-their-copyright/

Amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to entire original work
Did you copy ALL of the work?
Did you copy MOST of the work?
The more you use, the more likely you are in the wrong. What is the right length? Many will say a couple paragraphs is fine. The AP specifically asks bloggers to pay for quotations more than 4 words. That is the extreme. The best rule of thumb here, as with most of copyright, is if you are unsure, just ask the copyright holder for permission.

Fair use is a defense to infringement. So even posting a snippet is infringing Matt's work, which the JS owns copyright in, but you would be able to argue fair use if they were to sue (they won't).

Mods, any way you know of to signal thread creators in aggregators like Feedly so people don't waste time reading Heisenberg's BS and then his even worse legal ramblings?

[slingkong]

This is fair.

Also, regarding the Matt V. discussion....I read every single one of his articles regardless if they are posted here. He's been fantastic covering Marquette. We've had a few terrible reporters since Rosiak, whether it was effort (Hunt) or everything (Enlund), we've all had to deal with little to no attention being paid to Marquette from the JS.

We finally have a great reporter. If there's even a slight chance that clicking his links means that Matt gets to continue to cover Marquette, we should do it. There's no downside, and he deserves it.

Like you and at least one other on this thread, I read all of his articles from jsonline. But I get those links via Twitter rather than through the Scoop autolinks.

[Tugg Speedman]

This is fair.

Also, regarding the Matt V. discussion....I read every single one of his articles regardless if they are posted here. He's been fantastic covering Marquette. We've had a few terrible reporters since Rosiak, whether it was effort (Hunt) or everything (Enlund), we've all had to deal with little to no attention being paid to Marquette from the JS.

We finally have a great reporter. If there's even a slight chance that clicking his links means that Matt gets to continue to cover Marquette, we should do it. There's no downside, and he deserves it.

The quote is right in line with all the other Wisconsin inferiority complex that dominates this place. 

Example, see how everyone here acts like insecure teenage girls because of one line in this article.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=49833.0

Fact is the failing JS need MU more than MU needs the JS.  JS should be thanking MU to give their customers another reason to buy their product.

[Windyplayer]

After thorough review of both sides of the argument: I clicked on the link.

[warriorchick]

The quote is right in line with all the other Wisconsin inferiority complex that dominates this place. 

Example, see how everyone here acts like insecure teenage girls because of one line in this article.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=49833.0

Fact is the failing JS need MU more than MU needs the JS.  JS should be thanking MU to give their customers another reason to buy their product.

Sharing copyrighted material without permission is both immoral and illegal. Just admit that you are wrong.  Is this really the hill you want to die on?

If I were the mods, I would automatically delete any posts that contained copyrighted material, especially if I had been previously contacted by the owners.

[real chili 83]

After thorough review of both sides of the argument: I clicked on the link.

Both sides:  Heisendomer v. THE REST OF SCOOP

Hdomer, are you channeling your inner Ners into this argument.  Did Ners steal your PW?   

[brandx]

Both sides:  Heisendomer v. THE REST OF SCOOP

Hdomer, are you channeling your inner Ners into this argument.  Did Ners steal your PW?   

Can't we just change Heisy's moniker to Ners? Like, Ners, he is never wrong.

Over and over and over and over and over............

[brewcity77]

So...Marquette defending without fouling...any thoughts? No? Just checking.

[Windyplayer]

A tangential takeaway for me is Luke staying out of foul trouble. Absolutely critical to our success in the BEast.

[brewcity77]

In our 12 games this season, we have had three guys foul out a total of four times.

Fischer fouled out against Iowa and Arizona State, while Ellenson and Cohen both fouled out against LSU. The good news is no one has fouled out since the ASU game, but we also haven't really played any good teams since the ASU game either.

We need to keep this up because in clutch time, Ellenson and Fischer both have to be on the floor, while Sandy is our best defender.

[Tugg Speedman]

Sharing copyrighted material without permission is both immoral and illegal. Just admit that you are wrong.  Is this really the hill you want to die on?

If I were the mods, I would automatically delete any posts that contained copyrighted material, especially if I had been previously contacted by the owners.

I did admit it and said I would stop.  Rocky edited the post. 

You on the last hill.

[MU82]

In our 12 games this season, we have had three guys foul out a total of four times.

Fischer fouled out against Iowa and Arizona State, while Ellenson and Cohen both fouled out against LSU. The good news is no one has fouled out since the ASU game, but we also haven't really played any good teams since the ASU game either.

We need to keep this up because in clutch time, Ellenson and Fischer both have to be on the floor, while Sandy is our best defender.

I agree with all of this, including the part about us not playing enough good teams yet to know if this is a real trend.

I also agree with the previous commenter about us needing Luke on the floor as much as possible. We're not a great defensive team, especially not a very good m-t-m team, and we'll need that rim protector in the BE.

[Tugg Speedman]

I agree with all of this, including the part about us not playing enough good teams yet to know if this is a real trend.

I also agree with the previous commenter about us needing Luke on the floor as much as possible. We're not a great defensive team, especially not a very good m-t-m team, and we'll need that rim protector in the BE.

Everyone is playing weak schedules right now, doesn't that all even out?.  And I though the weak schedule only means we haven't had to foul at the end of games because we have a comfortable lead (or are way behind like Iowa and their is no point).  So when we start playing games when we are slightly behind in the last two minutes, we are going to pile up fouls.

So we cannot assume we are going to foul at a greater rate the first 38 minutes of a BE game that is much more competitive.  Agree?