Georgetown Is Not Good

[ChicosBailBonds]

Exactly.  I think it is called the Joey Meyer problem.  JTIII resigning is the best for all parties, but that won't happen.  I've thought this for a couple of season.  Maybe he can turn it around, but this will probably be DePaul/Joey Meyer all over again.

Georgetown invests heavily into the hoops program.  DePaul didn't.  Thus it won't be a pure repeat.  Besides, they have gone to the NCAAs 6 of the last 8 years, and the NIT the other two years.  They haven't performed well in the tournament, but that's a crap shoot anyway.   Let's not get ahead of ourselves.   This board made the same mistake a few years ago saying Jay Wright was done and Nova should fire him, and all he's done is dominate the Big East.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Wonder if the guy who posts here now and then still thinks they'll get a 2 seed. lol

[wadesworld]

Wonder if the guy who posts here now and then still thinks they'll get a 2 seed. lol

It was a 1 seed.  He thought they were going to win both the BE regular season and tourney just like Nova last year.  Oops.

[WarriorInNYC]

It was a 1 seed.  He thought they were going to win both the BE regular season and tourney just like Nova last year.  Oops.

To be completely fair to the guy, thats not quite what he said.  He said realistically they would get a 3 seed (which I do agree looks a bit crazy now)

Heart: Hoyas get a 1 seed as they win both the regular season and BET.

More realistically: Hoyas get a 3 seed.

[Galway Eagle]

You guys wanna read some crazy Georgetown stuff go to their board! Jeeze these guys are still convinced they get an at large big or are good enough to win the big east. 

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

You know what's crazy about this. How bad would Georgetown have been if DSR would have left early like he originally planned?

[LAZER]

Georgetown invests heavily into the hoops program.  DePaul didn't.  Thus it won't be a pure repeat.  Besides, they have gone to the NCAAs 6 of the last 8 years, and the NIT the other two years.  They haven't performed well in the tournament, but that's a crap shoot anyway.   Let's not get ahead of ourselves.   This board made the same mistake a few years ago saying Jay Wright was done and Nova should fire him, and all he's done is dominate the Big East.

When you consistently underperform in the tournament doesn't it lose its randomness a little?

[Lennys Tap]

When you consistently underperform in the tournament doesn't it lose its randomness a little?

Yeah, Wooden and Izzo = JT III and TC with better luck.

[source?]

Here's the thing about Georgetown; if they had won those last two games they would most likely have been in or near the top 25 today. Talk of a high seed is probably over, but an NCAA bid is not out of the question just yet. Monmouth is probably an NCAA at large team this year, with wins over UCLA, Notre Dame, USC, Rutgers, and obviously Georgetown. UNCA not so much. That said, Georgetown still has chances in the BE against Nova, Butler, Xavier, Providence, hell Seton Hall if they win their last OOC game against USF. If Georgetown doesn't have another head-scratcher against Charlotte (disastrous) and can steal one at UConn later in the year, then a strong conference performance could get them in at-large depending on who they are competing with. This is also a team with the composition to get hot in the BE tournament and steal an extra bid for the BE.

[martyconlonontherun]

We just need to steal 7 out of 8 between Georgetown, Creighton, SJ, and DePaul. If those teams are going to be deadweight in the conference, then we need to get extra victories out of it.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Here's the thing about Georgetown; if they had won those last two games they would most likely have been in or near the top 25 today. Talk of a high seed is probably over, but an NCAA bid is not out of the question just yet. Monmouth is probably an NCAA at large team this year, with wins over UCLA, Notre Dame, USC, Rutgers, and obviously Georgetown. UNCA not so much. That said, Georgetown still has chances in the BE against Nova, Butler, Xavier, Providence, hell Seton Hall if they win their last OOC game against USF. If Georgetown doesn't have another head-scratcher against Charlotte (disastrous) and can steal one at UConn later in the year, then a strong conference performance could get them in at-large depending on who they are competing with. This is also a team with the composition to get hot in the BE tournament and steal an extra bid for the BE.

Doubtful that Monmouth gets an at large.

[wadesworld]

When you consistently underperform in the tournament doesn't it lose its randomness a little?

No.  It's all a crapshoot.  It's why you see 16 seeds winning the title as often as you see 1 seeds winning the title...

[BM1090]

Doubtful that Monmouth gets an at large.

Yeah. Anything more than 2 losses in conference and they are probably out of at large consideration. The have a loss to Canisus (in confernce) and the MAAC is bad and plays 20 conference games, so the RPI will really drop.

Now, if they can get to 18-2 in conference, 27-4 overall? They have a shot. But I doubt that happens since they're already 1-1 and are about to play teams who are a lot more familiar with their style/personnel

[Dawson Rental]

Exactly.  I think it is called the Joey Meyer problem.  JTIII resigning is the best for all parties, but that won't happen.  I've thought this for a couple of season.  Maybe he can turn it around, but this will probably be DePaul/Joey Meyer all over again.

Georgetown invests heavily into the hoops program.  DePaul didn't.  Thus it won't be a pure repeat.  Besides, they have gone to the NCAAs 6 of the last 8 years, and the NIT the other two years.  They haven't performed well in the tournament, but that's a crap shoot anyway.   Let's not get ahead of ourselves.   This board made the same mistake a few years ago saying Jay Wright was done and Nova should fire him, and all he's done is dominate the Big East.

Another difference is under JTIII, Georgetown is still recruiting well.  At least they are getting highly sought recruits, even if the recruits aren't showing it on the floor.  Were there's talent, there's hope, I think.

Scary thought, at this point, andymartinelli2's analysis only gives us a one in three shot of winning at Georgetown.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=49810.0

[bilsu]

I think the Big East is guaranteed 5 bids and could get 6 if the right team finishes 6th.

This is were I see a team having to finish at worst to get a bid.
I think Xavier is the only team that could finish 7th in our league and still get a bid.
These teams could finish 6th and still get a bid: Providence, Butler and Villanova
These teams have to finish 5th or higher to get a bid: Seton Hall, Marquette or Georgetown
Creighton needs to finish in top 4
St. John's or DePaul need to finish in top 3 (this will not happen, so essentially they need to win Big East tournament)

[MUMountin]

I think the Big East is guaranteed 5 bids and could get 6 if the right team finishes 6th.

This is were I see a team having to finish at worst to get a bid.
I think Xavier is the only team that could finish 7th in our league and still get a bid.
These teams could finish 6th and still get a bid: Providence, Butler and Villanova
These teams have to finish 5th or higher to get a bid: Seton Hall, Marquette or Georgetown
Creighton needs to finish in top 4
St. John's or DePaul need to finish in top 3 (this will not happen, so essentially they need to win Big East tournament)

That doesn't seem like 5 guaranteed to me.  For instance if after Nova/X/Butler/Prov the standings were:

5. Creighton
6. G'town
7. Seton Hall
8. MU
9/10: DePaul/SJU

Then it seems to me that only the top four make it. 

[wadesworld]

That doesn't seem like 5 guaranteed to me.  For instance if after Nova/X/Butler/Prov the standings were:

5. Creighton
6. G'town
7. Seton Hall
8. MU
9/10: DePaul/SJU

Then it seems to me that only the top four make it.

I actually think if that is the case it would be only the top 4 in the NCAA Tournament.

[naginiF]

anyone else SUPER paranoid about this thread before our 2nd true road game?

We look much better right now but dog forbid they don't shake the holiday break inconsistencies before 1/2/16

[wadesworld]

anyone else SUPER paranoid about this thread before our 2nd true road game?

We look much better right now but dog forbid they don't shake the holiday break inconsistencies before 1/2/16

Not paranoid about it at all, I'm expecting at least 1 loss to Georgetown this year.  There's still talent on the roster.  So they've played a few bad games.  Uh oh?  How many people thought we'd be at 10-2 after our first 3 games (loss to a not so great Belmont team at home, OT at home to IUPUI, absolutely smoked by Iowa at home)?  It's college basketball.  They are 18-22 year old kids.  They aren't professionals.

Remember the thread about Iowa not being good when they lost an exhibition game?  Yeah...

[MU_CHI]

For the record, I think its worth noting that Tre Campbell and Paul White (2 of Georgetown's best players - both returners) have been out for most of the year. Tre Campbell has battled an extended illness and Paul White hasn't played much at all because of an injury. Still plenty of time for them to get it together and they have enough talent to compete for top 3-4 in BE.

[bilsu]

That doesn't seem like 5 guaranteed to me.  For instance if after Nova/X/Butler/Prov the standings were:

5. Creighton
6. G'town
7. Seton Hall
8. MU
9/10: DePaul/SJU

Then it seems to me that only the top four make it.
I think it would depend how far back (how many games behind) Creighton was to the fourth place team. Top four go 13-4 and Creighton goes 11-7 would show a clear separation. Creighton getting the 5th spot, by losing a tie breaker with the 4th team does not. Of course the 5th place team plays the fourth place team in the Big East tournament. Having the 5th & 6th place teams getting first round byes could hurt those teams in getting a bid. They are the teams that really could use another victory that they could get by playing the last two teams in the conference, which would happen it the conference had 12 teams.

[brewcity77]

Doubtful that Monmouth gets an at large.

Actually...they might. I ran a few RPI Wizard scenarios and if they go 15-3 or better and win at least one MAAC tourney game they're likely looking at a top-30 RPI. No guarantee they'd get in, but if they don't get the autobid they'll be a legitimate bid thief.

[tower912]

Oops.   Bump. 

[wadesworld]

Oops.   Bump.

Yeah.  These threads are working well.  2 for 2 so far.  Any other teams we want to try this with only to lose by double digits to?  I think we have one for St John's already...

[Tugg Speedman]

This post was started when they were 6 and 5 after losing to Monmouth and UNC-Ashevlle at home!

I guess we supposed to ignore horrific losses and just see the word 'Georgetown" and think "good."