Notre Dame Says They Will Leave The NCAA If Players Get Paid

[MU82]

Sorry boys but ND is been the thought leader in college football since they invented the forward pass a 100 years ago.

I like the way ND thought they had enough championships and decided not to win any more the last 27 years.

[Galway Eagle]

I like the way ND thought they had enough championships and decided not to win any more the last 27 years.

It was extremely nice of them to let Bama have it so easily a couple years back.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Only Notre Dame fans and self loathers like Chicos think that Notre Dame matters that much. If they went away, college football and college athletics would be just fine. It's not the 1950s any longer. Sure people would wail and render their clothing, but in the end the ratings will be high and ND would be mentioned along with the likes of Yale and Harvard. Simply a nice memory from a bygone era.

LOL

In 2012, the team that appeared in the top 15 TV ratings the most often...Notre Dame.  Four times
2011, Notre Dame
2013...4th most
2014...3rd most

You can deny the data all you wish, they're still a major draw.  There is a reason they were part of the BCS for years without a conference affiliation.  They are the most coveted football independent in the universe.

[ChicosBailBonds]

ND is a fine institution and the most well-known "brand" in college sports. If they left the NCAA, the NCAA would be poorer for it.

But the NCAA wouldn't go out of business. And after the furor dies down, the NCAA would be just fine ... until its next mini-catastrophe (often caused by itself).

It's like after Coach and Diane left Cheers. Their absence was felt, especially at first, but Cheers went on just fine without them.

Agree with this.  Of course no one said it would destroy the NCAA, but I disagree they would be just fine either.  You would have a separation of associations or a new divisional structure within.

Look, it isn't going to happen, but I'm happy to see Notre Dame fighting this fight.  They should and many other schools, some of the best schools in this nation, will do as well.  Meanwhile, the meddling middle tier schools like Florida State, Kentucky, etc...they will push ahead.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Wouldn't a capitalist seek to make all the money they can over their image and likeness? It seems that the NCAA is a rather communist organization

More like socialist....I'm all for it in sports and have said so often.   Works very well when talent is so limited and you WANT competitive balance in the form of talent.

Not the case in business where you want innovation, investment, etc.

I have zero problem admitting this and have for decades.  It's the reason the NFL is what the NFL is today.  A little place like Green Bay, or Pittsburgh, or Tampa can succeed every bit as New York or Chicago (no pun intended).

[ChicosBailBonds]

I like the way ND thought they had enough championships and decided not to win any more the last 27 years.

They did play for one a few years ago and they draw eyeballs to TV sets, and butts in seats. 

They also aren't pulling the same mouth breathers that some schools are, and yes that makes a difference.  They've had their share of f'ups, but they still have to turn away many more kids than a USC or SEC school does.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I like the way ND thought they had enough championships and decided not to win any more the last 27 years.

Same for the LA Dodgers, then?

[GGGG]

LOL

In 2012, the team that appeared in the top 15 TV ratings the most often...Notre Dame.  Four times
2011, Notre Dame
2013...4th most
2014...3rd most

You can deny the data all you wish, they're still a major draw.  There is a reason they were part of the BCS for years without a conference affiliation.  They are the most coveted football independent in the universe.

None of this refutes what I said.

[Galway Eagle]

They did play for one a few years ago and they draw eyeballs to TV sets, and butts in seats. 

They also aren't pulling the same mouth breathers that some schools are, and yes that makes a difference.  They've had their share of f'ups, but they still have to turn away many more kids than a USC or SEC school does.

I'd be wary calling what they did "play[ing] for one" it's was more like bending over to a vastly superior football program.

[MU82]

Same for the LA Dodgers, then?

Sure, although nobody has called the Dodgers "MLB's thought leaders."

Even if Tommy did claim God wears Dodger blue.

[brandx]

If they disbanded the team today, no one would care other than ND fans.

They're just another "name" now. Nothing special. "Names" come and go all the time and are soon forgotten.

[mikekinsellaMVP]

If they disbanded the team today, no one would care other than ND fans.

They're just another "name" now. Nothing special. "Names" come and go all the time and are soon forgotten.

I'd disagree.  Because of that "name" and history, I think more than a few casual college football fans would care if they disbanded today.

But for a school that handled rape allegations and the death of a student videographer so poorly, the notion of having any sort of "moral authority" is laughable.  The only school of thought they've led for the last 15 years has been "How to Leverage Your Brand and History Into an Undeserved Bowl Bid", as their 0-4 BCS record (in which they were outscored 158-57) would suggest.

[MU82]

I'd disagree.  Because of that "name" and history, I think more than a few casual college football fans would care if they disbanded today.

But for a school that handled rape allegations and the death of a student videographer so poorly, the notion of having any sort of "moral authority" is laughable.  The only school of thought they've led for the last 15 years has been "How to Leverage Your Brand and History Into an Undeserved Bowl Bid", as their 0-4 BCS record (in which they were outscored 158-57) would suggest.

I'd care because I'd loose the chance to root for my favorite team -- which is whatever team is playing Notre Dame. This week, my favorite team is Clemson. Go Tigers!

That "Yankees factor" or "Duke factor" shouldn't be understated. The Touchdown Jesus Domers probably are hated -- exactly for the perceived moral superiority you discuss -- at least as much as they are loved.

Of course, both the Yankees and Duke have won something in the last quarter-century. Ha!

And while I don't think brand is right that ND is just another "name," I do agree somewhat with his basic point: Notre Dame doesn't have the cache they did when they were contending for titles every year, producing Heisman winners and being coached by icons.

In the greater overall college football landscape, they became borderline irrelevant there for quite some time before this recent upswing.

[brandx]

I'd care because I'd loose the chance to root for my favorite team -- which is whatever team is playing Notre Dame. This week, my favorite team is Clemson. Go Tigers!

That "Yankees factor" or "Duke factor" shouldn't be understated. The Touchdown Jesus Domers probably are hated -- exactly for the perceived moral superiority you discuss -- at least as much as they are loved.

Of course, both the Yankees and Duke have won something in the last quarter-century. Ha!

And while I don't think brand is right that ND is just another "name," I do agree somewhat with his basic point: Notre Dame doesn't have the cache they did when they were contending for titles every year, producing Heisman winners and being coached by icons.

In the greater overall college football landscape, they became borderline irrelevant there for quite some time before this recent upswing.

The team that plays ND is only 3rd on my list.

The opponents of Ohio State and Michigan are #1 and #2.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

The team that plays ND is only 3rd on my list.

The opponents of Ohio State and Michigan are #1 and #2.

boy, you just don't like anyone do you

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

I'd care because I'd loose the chance to root for my favorite team -- which is whatever team is playing Notre Dame. This week, my favorite team is Clemson. Go Tigers!

That "Yankees factor" or "Duke factor" shouldn't be understated. The Touchdown Jesus Domers probably are hated -- exactly for the perceived moral superiority you discuss -- at least as much as they are loved.

Of course, both the Yankees and Duke have won something in the last quarter-century. Ha!

And while I don't think brand is right that ND is just another "name," I do agree somewhat with his basic point: Notre Dame doesn't have the cache they did when they were contending for titles every year, producing Heisman winners and being coached by icons.

In the greater overall college football landscape, they became borderline irrelevant there for quite some time before this recent upswing.

I'll be in SC at the the CU/ND game - tickets hard to come by

[GGGG]

+1

ND is saying this because it matters that they say it.

Sultan, you're confusing your hate for ND with Bucky.  Bucky could close their athletics department tomorrow and it would not really matter.  ND does matter.

I fully realize that Bucky could close up shop tomorrow and it wouldn't matter.  ND fans are too delusional to think that they are in the same boat.  Really, most people would simply change the channel to watch another game.

And to be honest, the fact that Chicos and you are arguing the point, makes me even more positive that I am right about this.

[brandx]

I fully realize that Bucky could close up shop tomorrow and it wouldn't matter.  ND fans are too delusional to think that they are in the same boat.  Really, most people would simply change the channel to watch another game.

And to be honest, the fact that Chicos and you are arguing the point, makes me even more positive that I am right about this.

+1000

[MU82]

I fully realize that Bucky could close up shop tomorrow and it wouldn't matter.  ND fans are too delusional to think that they are in the same boat.  Really, most people would simply change the channel to watch another game.

And to be honest, the fact that Chicos and you are arguing the point, makes me even more positive that I am right about this.

Yes, things are a lot different from when there was The Game of The Week and nothing else, and that one game often was Notre Dame.

I think there were 40 games on last Saturday. And while ND might have had the best ratings of any of them -- I really don't know, nor do I care -- there were many options to the casual fan that didn't involve Touchdown Jesus or Rudy references.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'd be wary calling what they did "play[ing] for one" it's was more like bending over to a vastly superior football program.

Alabama would have done that to many teams that year.

A lot of ND hatred here and irrational thought.  Must be the self loathing.  LOL.


I don't follow ND, don't cheer for ND, but I'm not blind to their impact in college football circles.  This idea that "no one would care" is bordering on having your man card taken away. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

I fully realize that Bucky could close up shop tomorrow and it wouldn't matter.  ND fans are too delusional to think that they are in the same boat.  Really, most people would simply change the channel to watch another game.

And to be honest, the fact that Chicos and you are arguing the point, makes me even more positive that I am right about this.

I just use data...ratings..CLL purchases...etc.  Yours is strictly opinion, no data behind it at all.  Couldn't you at least fake it and try to come up with one data point? 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Notre Dame....2nd most valuable college football program in America per Forbes.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Just the data...thanks


So far in 2015 TV ratings

Week one  ND 3rd highest rated game
Week two  ND 2nd highest rated game
Week three ND  4th highest rated game

Overall, #2 thus far for the season in terms of total ratings.

[MU82]

Just the data...thanks


So far in 2015 TV ratings

Week one  ND 3rd highest rated game
Week two  ND 2nd highest rated game
Week three ND  4th highest rated game

Overall, #2 thus far for the season in terms of total ratings.

Who's No. 1?

[Galway Eagle]

Alabama would have done that to many teams that year.

A lot of ND hatred here and irrational thought.  Must be the self loathing.  LOL.


I don't follow ND, don't cheer for ND, but I'm not blind to their impact in college football circles.  This idea that "no one would care" is bordering on having your man card taken away.

I think two or three would've at least given Bama a decent game as opposed to whatever that was. 

I don't know if you're misquoting me or responding to someone else but I never said no one would care, I think plenty of people would care and I loath ND but it has nothing to do with self loathing.