2015-16 NFC North/NFL thread

[GGGG]

For a conditional pick, though.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him released after a couple games.

The contract was set up as a two year deal.  He is guaranteed this year, so the Panthers will have to pay regardless.

[Spotcheck Billy]

The contract was set up as a two year deal.  He is guaranteed this year, so the Panthers will have to pay regardless.

The Bears paid Allen's $11.5 million roster bonus this year and his base salary entering the 2015 season was only $1 million, so the Panthers are on the hook for roughly $882,000 the rest of the season.

[DegenerateDish]

Zero risk for Panthers, my guess is Bears get a 5th rounder for him.

He won't get moved, but if someone wants Forte, he's there for the taking. Issue is the $4.5 mil left in salary pro-rated for remainder of the season.

[jesmu84]

Zero risk for Panthers, my guess is Bears get a 5th rounder for him.

He won't get moved, but if someone wants Forte, he's there for the taking. Issue is the $4.5 mil left in salary pro-rated for remainder of the season.

Wow

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Zero risk for Panthers, my guess is Bears get a 5th rounder for him.

He won't get moved, but if someone wants Forte, he's there for the taking. Issue is the $4.5 mil left in salary pro-rated for remainder of the season.

Do they see Langford as the future Dish?

[wadesworld]

Do they see Langford as the future Dish?

I see Langford as the future.  That guy is real.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I see Langford as the future.  That guy is real.

Funny story about Langford  (and probably athletes in general) someone I worked with over the summer went to visit some friends at MSU last year and she started getting hit on by some dude. After rejecting his advances his posse said "don't you know who he is?" It was Langford, she had no clue who he was and didn't care but it's funny how people think they can get by on their name alone.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I see Langford as the future.  That guy is real.

And yea, he looked good early. Forte is almost at that point of no return for running backs. The only graceful running back exit I can remember in the past 20 years has been Thomas Jones. Dude was unbelievably durable and consistant.

[DegenerateDish]

Forte is a UFA after this season, he's the one asset you probably realistically have that someone may want. Really doubt it happens, but I'd trade him in a heartbeat.

6th rounder for Allen, my mistake.

[jesmu84]

Bostic to the Patriots.

Big ole' garage sale in Chicago. Everything must go. Discounted prices.

Maybe Ryan Pace sat down with Theo recently?

If Forte goes, it may very well be a complete rebuild - which, I don't know if it's ever been done in the modern NFL.

[real chili 83]

What, no flyover tonight?

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Packers didn't screw it for me. 16/16, gonna be a fun weekend.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Per the NFL channel, Jared Allen met with the GM and asked for a trade since he wasn't effective in the 3-4 and was given permission to make a list of acceptable trade partners. How many times is a player successful requesting a trade and being basically given away?

[GooooMarquette]

And yea, he looked good early. Forte is almost at that point of no return for running backs. The only graceful running back exit I can remember in the past 20 years has been Thomas Jones. Dude was unbelievably durable and consistant.

I'd add Barry Sanders.

[jsglow]

Per the NFL channel, Jared Allen met with the GM and asked for a trade since he wasn't effective in the 3-4 and was given permission to make a list of acceptable trade partners. How many times is a player successful requesting a trade and being basically given away?

I think this is a good move by the Bears.  Jared has one more playoff run in him.  Bears must stockpile for the future.  I agree with Dish that Forte is likely 'available'.  Not sure if a playoff team has a need right now.  Can't recall when the trading deadline is.  Fire sale in Chicago.  Use this year to see who has character and the desire to become outstanding.  Hint: That ain't Kyle Fuller.

As to the Viqueens, they're a solid football team.  Nothing wrong with a wildcard.  The Lions appear to be done.

[GGGG]

Per the NFL channel, Jared Allen met with the GM and asked for a trade since he wasn't effective in the 3-4 and was given permission to make a list of acceptable trade partners. How many times is a player successful requesting a trade and being basically given away?

It is exceedingly difficult to make trades in the NFL.  (Unless you are trading an overrated running back to Indianapolis.)  Even a conditional draft pick is better than nothing because it does give you some salary cap relief.  I mean Jared Allen is old and didn't play well last year.  It is hardly a given that he will be more effective than someone that Carolina could have picked off someone's practice squad.

[jsglow]

It is exceedingly difficult to make trades in the NFL.  (Unless you are trading an overrated running back to Indianapolis.)  Even a conditional draft pick is better than nothing because it does give you some salary cap relief.  I mean Jared Allen is old and didn't play well last year.  It is hardly a given that he will be more effective than someone that Carolina could have picked off someone's practice squad.

I've always respected Allen.  But the Bears move last year was typical of the old regime.  Instead of figuring out that Peppers might restructure his contract and adjust his role, they went with Allen who couldn't play the position.  Man the Bears front office was BAD.

[GGGG]

I've always respected Allen.  But the Bears move last year was typical of the old regime.  Instead of figuring out that Peppers might restructure his contract and adjust his role, they went with Allen who couldn't play the position.  Man the Bears front office was BAD.

Wasn't Allen playing a rush end in a 4-3 last year?  That was the same position he was playing in MN.  He was asked to play a different role *this* year in the 3-4.  The Bears made the gamble that Allen was better than Peppers, and based on their 2013-14 season, that was considered a good bet at the time.

Peppers succeeded in making that switch because he isn't *the* man rushing the passer - Matthews is.  And because he is a ridiculous athlete.  Allen isn't really the same type.

[Spotcheck Billy]

It is exceedingly difficult to make trades in the NFL.  (Unless you are trading an overrated running back to Indianapolis.) Even a conditional draft pick is better than nothing because it does give you some salary cap relief.  I mean Jared Allen is old and didn't play well last year.  It is hardly a given that he will be more effective than someone that Carolina could have picked off someone's practice squad.

What salary cap relief did the trade net for the Bears? My understanding is Carolina only has to pay Allen $823,000 compared to the $11.5+M he got from the Bears. It doesn't seem like the Bears are concerned about this years cap.

[GGGG]

What salary cap relief did the trade net for the Bears? My understanding is Carolina only has to pay Allen $823,000 compared to the $11.5+M he got from the Bears. It doesn't seem like the Bears are concerned about this years cap.

$823,000.  Enough to move a future roster bonus to a performance bonus for this year.  (I didn't say it was huge, but it is something.)

I think you are assuming the market for Jared Allen was bigger than it was. 

[MerrittsMustache]

Wasn't Allen playing a rush end in a 4-3 last year?  That was the same position he was playing in MN.  He was asked to play a different role *this* year in the 3-4.  The Bears made the gamble that Allen was better than Peppers, and based on their 2013-14 season, that was considered a good bet at the time.

Peppers succeeded in making that switch because he isn't *the* man rushing the passer - Matthews is.  And because he is a ridiculous athlete.  Allen isn't really the same type.

Exactly.

Although, Peppers is succeeding because he's trying again. He was a Lovie guy who basically mailed it in 2013 under Trestman/Tucker. I wonder if he would have found his fire again playing for Bruce Arians (and possibly Todd Bowles)

[MU B2002]

I'd add Barry Sanders.

Wasn't there a Vikings running back that walked away with years left as well?

[whodem]

Wasn't there a Vikings running back that walked away with years left as well?

Robert Smith?

[GooooMarquette]

Robert Smith?

Yep - forgot about him.  Retired after 8 seasons, had over 1500 yards his last year, and walked away.

[Benny B]

At the 2 minute warning, my Southside Chicago born-and-raised father-in-law says: "I tink dis is da worst game da Bears have ever played."

I responded that, sadly, it probably wasn't even in the bottom 10.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/bill-swerskis-super-fans/n10151

Your wife's name isn't Denise, by chance?