So will we have Triple Crown Winner on Saturday?

[muwarrior69]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/horseracing/2015/06/03/american-pharoah-post-position-belmont-stakes-bob-baffert-victor-espinoza/28410805/

Would be nice. It's been so long. I am going to say yes!

[Pakuni]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/horseracing/2015/06/03/american-pharoah-post-position-belmont-stakes-bob-baffert-victor-espinoza/28410805/

Would be nice. It's been so long. I am going to say yes!

Yes.
Unfortunately, it had to be Baffert.

[Benny B]

I'm saying no.  Looking at who drew 1-4, I think Pharaoh got a bad draw at 5; personally, I see him either getting jammed or burning a lot of energy too early.  Keen Ice is the dark horse I'm watching; very surprised to see the morning line at 20-1 today.

If not for the damn name connection, I would be wheeling Frosted - Keen Ice with the field hoping for a nice trifecta payout.  But any wager with those two on the ticket is going to get more action than it deserves, so I'm not seeing much value this year.

Frosted - Keen Ice - Tale of Verve - American Pharoah

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I think yes.  He was more impressive in the Preakness than the Derby so I think he has the legs for the longer Belmont race.

[HouWarrior]

I think yes.  He was more impressive in the Preakness than the Derby so I think he has the legs for the longer Belmont race.

The Preakness is shorter than the Derby, so he actually struggled in the longer of the two races (Derby). We dont know if he can go long. These days, breeding/training is more speed, and not distance. The Belmont is the the longest of the 3, and catches these Triple crown horses fairly tired, 2 weeks after 2 stakes races in 3 weeks (total 5 weeks). The Belmont has been such a gut tiring lengthy challenge, historically....so lots(23) win 2, but not the third one.
All that said,  this one has at least one of the best on paper chances, so I'd like to chime in with yes, but my gut actually tells me no.  Materiality to win ( by a length and a half) , Pharoah to place, Frosted/Keen Ice to show.

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Anyone actually handicapping this race knows AP is a different caliber horse than Keen Ice, Tale of Verve and Materiality. Frosted is the only runner you can look at that'll maybe make you twitch your eyebrow at beating AP.

AP will win, place your $2 win bet and frame it.


In response the the Preakness/Derby impressiveness was the weather. He ran a a good speed in that downpour, there's something to be said about that.

[LloydsLegs]

Edzo said to box 5-6 last night, so I'm going with Frosted chasing AP down in the end.

[Mutaman]

Except for Spectacular Bid, I think AP has the most talent of those who have challenged and fallen short over the years. Key is if he can go 11/2. His grandfather, Empire Maker did, I was there and I had him. beat Funny Cide in the slop.

But this is a really nice field, with the top jockeys and some great trainers. If AP wins he will really have to earn it. Should be some race.    

[GGGG]

I no longer want him to win.

https://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1772072

[Benny B]

I no longer want him to win.

https://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1772072

WTF.  Their rivals site is called "Blue & Gold Illustrated"?!?  Like I needed another reason to despise....

[Mutaman]

Heard Baffert say today that Pharoh is as good a horse as he has ever trained, as good if not better than Point Given. Point Given was a wonderful horse who won the Belmont by 11 lengths. Plus everyone has said AP is training well and looks great.

That being said, this is a pretty impressive field and it looks like a good crop of 3 year olds. Frosted and Materiality are nice rested horses. Tale of the Verve isn't bad. If AP wins he will have to earn it.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

And we do!!!

[chapman]

Not even challenged.  The Athlete of the Year nominees seem to already be down to Curry, Djokovic, and a horse.

[Mutaman]

Not even challenged.  The Athlete of the Year nominees seem to already be down to Curry, Djokovic, and a horse.

Actually.... and A HORSE!!!!!

[jesmu84]

Trust fund babies gettin rich. Gotta love it

[4everwarriors]

For all ya old farts, we be waitin' for Wojo to name HE the American Pharoah of college basketball, ai na?

[Mutaman]

Trust fund babies gettin rich. Gotta love it

If you can breed and race a Triple Crown winner, you deserve it.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I thought Bob Costas had a good piece on how wrong California Chrome's owner was last year.

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Possibly should listen to old PTM more.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Good for Victor.  He is at a number of Ducks games the last few years and now he rides Pharoah to the triple.  Came close last year with Chrome. 

[Mutaman]

Possibly should listen to old PTM more.

Way to hand out those 3-5 shots  But thanks for the steam.

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Way to hand out those 3-5 shots  But thanks for the steam.

I had Frosted as well!

[muwarrior69]

Here is a list of the greatest race horses in history. I am sure some are missing and some will disagree with the rank but an interesting list none the less.
http://www.thetoptens.com/best-race-horses/

[Mutaman]

I had Frosted as well!

Congrats on the cold exacta. $13.50. You won enough to buy a big Mac and fries!

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Congrats on the cold exacta. $13.50. You won enough to buy a big Mac and fries!

I didn't actually bet the race, just called it correctly.

Had a nice day of betting out of Arlington though, hit four tris that all paid over $150.