Tanned Tommy on the ropes?

[Tugg Speedman]

Here is the bigger issue ... The Olidipo, Zeller, Vonleh era was the beginning of Crean turning iU into another destination of "one-and-dones."  This was something he could not do at MU and concluded would never happen.  Then it happened at IU and he fell on one his face.

He had his chance at elite status and blew it. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Here is the bigger issue ... The Olidipo, Zeller, Vonleh era was the beginning of Crean turning iU into another destination of "one-and-dones."  This was something he could not do at MU and concluded would never happen.  Then it happened at IU and he fell on one his face.

He had his chance at elite status and blew it. 

Wait, there you go again.  Oladipo was part of turning IU into a destination of one and dones?  A 3 star player that Crean took a bit of a chance on and Oladipo credits for pushing him so hard to develop into a NBA player....by the way he was a 3 year player.  Zeller was a 2 year player.  How exactly were these muti-year players supposed to turn IU into a destination of one and dones?  In fact, that's not what IU wants to be.  In my view, he shouldn't have gone after Vonleh.  If you aren't UK, trying to win at the one and done approach is going to bite most coaches in the ass, but I wouldn't equate Zeller and Oladipo into one and done status since neither was a one and done.

He's been declared dead on this board for 5 of the last 7 years.  One day one of you is going to be right. 

[wadesworld]

IU faithful probably thrilled to see 2 Indiana teams playing longer than they are right now.

[ChicosBailBonds]

IU faithful probably thrilled to see 2 Indiana teams playing longer than they are right now.

Probably like the MU faithful last year with UW-milwaukee and Wisconsin, and UWGB....aina?

[HutchwasClutch]

Crean left 7 years ago this month.  The passion to just despise the guy, hope his career goes in the toilet, revise history of his coaching accomplishments at two high major schools, etc, that flame burns that bad for some still?  Holy sh*t, get over it already.  And I say this freely admitting I don't disagree a bit he's done many things to make it easy to dislike him, but put it in perspective in the grand scheme of life for crying out loud.

[wadesworld]

Probably like the MU faithful last year with UW-milwaukee and Wisconsin, and UWGB....right?

UWM and UWGB were both in the 2nd round of the NCAA Tournament last year?  News to me.

"I'm an MU fan first."  Good story.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Crean left 7 years ago this month.  The passion to just despise the guy, hope his career goes in the toilet, revise history of his coaching accomplishments at two high major schools, etc, that flame burns that bad for some still?  Holy sh*t, get over it already.  And I say this freely admitting I don't disagree a bit he's done many things to make it easy to dislike him, but put it in perspective in the grand scheme of life for crying out loud.

Been saying that for 7 years, and I actually worked directly for the guy.  I had to see it first hand and at times it wasn't pleasant and times he was fine, but my God people are f'd up here.  So much so they can't even make rational posts as they are so seeded in vitriol, anger, or whatever....facts seem to not apply at all.  Bizarre.

[ChicosBailBonds]

UWM and UWGB were both in the 2nd round of the NCAA Tournament last year?  News to me.

"I'm an MU fan first."  Good story.

UWGB was in the NIT, we were in nothing.  UW-milwaukee made the NCAA tournament and lost to Villanova 73-53.

MU home, the other three schools in the post season...two in the NCAA and UWGB in the NIT.

First round, second round, regardless MU faithful in the same spot....not going as far as the other teams in the state.

[wadesworld]

UWGB was in the NIT, we were in nothing.  UW-milwaukee made the NCAA tournament and lost to Villanova 73-53.

MU home, the other three schools in the post season...two in the NCAA and UWGB in the NIT.

First round, second round, regardless MU faithful in the same spot....not going as far as the other teams in the state.

NIT?  Wow!  Awesome!  And the other team won their horrible conference tournament.  Congrats!

Haha.  You really reach when it comes to defending your homeboy.

[ChicosBailBonds]

NIT?  Wow!  Awesome!  And the other team won their horrible conference tournament.  Congrats!

Haha.  You really reach when it comes to defending your homeboy.

Not defending anyone, he most certainly isn't my homeboy....I've labeled him what he is for many years here.  Use search if you must.

NIT > no tournament

Have a good evening.

[Nukem2]

Been saying that for 7 years, and I actually worked directly for the guy.  I had to see it first hand and at times it wasn't pleasant and times he was fine, but my God people are f'd up here.  So much so they can't even make rational posts as they are so seeded in vitriol, anger, or whatever....facts seem to not apply at all.  Bizarre.

This is Scoop,  a bizarre board.  I try to ignore the fools.

[wadesworld]

Not defending anyone, he most certainly isn't my homeboy....I've labeled him what he is for many years here.  Use search if you must.

NIT > no tournament

Have a good evening.

Haha. You're comparing a team winning its horrible conference's autobid and getting smoked out of the first round and another team's winning its horrible conference's autobid...to the NI freaking T...to 2 teams playing to go on to the S16. Not to mention I don't recall any coach we've ever hired referring to the reason he came to MU because "it's MU, it's MU." And no NCAA = failed season, NIT or not. Just like 3 NCAA Tourney appearances, S16 your best season in 7 years at IU is a failure.

Keep reaching to defend your homeboy.

[TallTitan34]

Picture Marquette practicing in the old gym playing in Conference USA needing to win the conference tournament most of the time to make the NCAA's.

That's where we are without Crean.

[wadesworld]

Picture Marquette practicing in the old gym playing in Conference USA needing to win the conference tournament most of the time to make the NCAA's.

That's where we are without Crean.

Says who? No way anybody can know that for sure. Maybe we would've had the next Coach K on our hands. A guy who stays for life and wins multiple national titles. Pretending nobody could've possibly done as well or better at MU than Crean did is as bad or worse than pretending Crean did nothing for MU.

[keefe]

Picture Marquette practicing in the old gym playing in Conference USA needing to win the conference tournament most of the time to make the NCAA's.

That's where we are without Crean.

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That's a huge assumption...

[wadesworld]

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That's a huge assumption...

Yup.

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That's a huge assumption...

It's assumption based on what Crean did, there are two other assumptions to make then, one worse and one better.

I think Crean beat out Quin Synder, Tom Davis and Barry Collier.

Cords made the best decision based on those choices. I don't see a better one in that group (B10 retread, Nebraska flame out and a very similar Quin Synder).

[🏀]

Says who? No way anybody can know that for sure. Maybe we would've had the next Coach K on our hands. A guy who stays for life and wins multiple national titles. Pretending nobody could've possibly done as well or better at MU than Crean did is as bad or worse than pretending Crean did nothing for MU.

See list above and let us know what would have worked out better.

Knock it off, guy did a lot for Marquette, but left in a shitty way.

[TallTitan34]

Ok you guys are saying another guy could have done it but Crean DID DO IT!

I think Crean is an assbag too, but I'm not going to discredit what he did.

I'm a Bulls fan and I know Michael Jordan is king of the assbags but is anyone going to discount what he accomplished?

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Do a search on Twitter for "Tom Crean" and you'll see MU Scoop is the least of his problems.

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Do a search on Twitter for "Tom Crean" and you'll see MU Scoop is the least of his problems.

No doubt, Indiana is heavy mouth breathers.

[Dr. Blackheart]

What happens in two years IF Wojo flames out/succeeds, gets hired at Duke AND Crean's buy-out lessens and he continues with middling success? Does MU welcome him back?

[GGGG]

What happens in two years IF Wojo flames out/succeeds, gets hired at Duke AND Crean's buy-out lessens and he continues with middling success? Does MU welcome him back?

New AD...new President...I don't think so.

[brewcity77]

What happens in two years IF Wojo flames out/succeeds, gets hired at Duke AND Crean's buy-out lessens and he continues with middling success? Does MU welcome him back?

I can't see any way it happens, but if it did, it would totally be worth it just for the responses on this board.

[MUDPT]

New AD...new President...I don't think so.

I would assume that there would be a lot of people not renewing season tickets.  My problem with Crean was when he left. The '08 team has the lowest combined efficiency ratings of an MU team since Pomeroy started tracking.  They were screwed by the seeding process (no way that ND should have been higher than us, based purely on 3 head to head games) and lost a heart breaker in OT on a shot, I still have no idea how it went in.  Decent recruiting class coming in, led by Ty Taylor, who would have helped a lot over the next 4 years.  And he left for Indiana, a decent team with all kinds of problems coming.  We were in a better conference, with better facilities.  I grew up in Indiana and I really only believe it's a blue blood in Indiana (not nationally) anymore.  I don't think that 17 and 18 year old players think it's cool that Indiana won a national championship 10 years before they were born.  I appreciate what he did for Marquette, but it still doesn't make sense to me.