One of the more disappointing aspects of this season

[79Warrior]

is realizing how much work we have cut out for us next season. Watching the young guys today, it is hard to imagine that they are going to improve dramatically enough to make next season much better than this one.

We have basically five serviceable players returning, and two legit starters in that group. HE will make it easier for Luke, but not much improvement beyond that. I fear another long season for MU fans.

[Markusquette]

Yeah, rough year.  But we've been playing 7 guys for the last 3 games and 8 for the majority of the season.  That will catch up to most teams. 

[wadesworld]

Hank, junior Luke, sophomore Duane >>>>> Carlino, freshman Duane, sophomore Luke.

We'll be a bubble team next year.  Hopefully Wojo gets a strong 2016 class and if he does so we'll be where we should be in 2 years.

Can only get better.

[esotericmindguy]

It's possible Taylor is getting to 100%. Duane is really good, Fischer is above average, Cohen is like Juan with a Juno shot, Ellenson should score 10 a game next year and 4 open scholarships. Next year will be better, addition by subtraction. The seniors are flat out bad.

[mattyv1908]

It's possible Taylor is getting to 100%. Duane is really good, Fischer is above average, Cohen is like Juan with a Juno shot, Ellenson should score 10 a game next year and 4 open scholarships. Next year will be better, addition by subtraction. The seniors are flat out bad.

I think Juan in WAY more athletic than Cohen.  Sandy has a better outside shot, but can't see anything else about his game that makes me think he'll be better than Juan.  He doesn't hustle like Juan does, he isn't as physical, he's slower off the dribble, he doesn't rebound as well, etc.

[Big Papi]

It's possible Taylor is getting to 100%. Duane is really good, Fischer is above average, Cohen is like Juan with a Juno shot, Ellenson should score 10 a game next year and 4 open scholarships. Next year will be better, addition by subtraction. The seniors are flat out bad.

Fisher is not above average.  Gets pushed around way to easily down low and struggles to score when his right handed hook shot gets stopped by stronger players down low that push him to far from the basket.  Average at best but I expect him to be above average his senior year which is two years out.  4 open scholarships for next year at this stage of the season is a problem.

[GGGG]

I think the current players will improve.

I think HE will have a nice impact.

I think we will have to find a point guard and a physical, power forward type who can contribute immediately.   A shooter would be nice too.

[Tugg Speedman]

Can we really comment on next season until we see what Wojo does with the open schollies?  If this year is like last year, their will be dozens of graduate transfers (Lockett, Carlino) who can play next fall.  Hundreds of regular transfers (last year had more than 500), Jucos (who can play next year) as well as unsigned seniors.

Potentially 1/3 of next year's roster is still to be determined.  And that list could/should include starters and impact players.

Way too early to talk about next year.

[oshkoshbgosh]

Fischer was a joke today. He was so bad, Wojo had Derrick in the #1 rebounding positio on the last few Creighton free throw. Luke was out by the freethrow line because he couldn't even get a rebound on a missed freethrow. Embarrassing for a 7-footer.

[NersEllenson]

Can we really comment on next season until we see what Wojo does with the open schollies?  If this year is like last year, their will be dozens of graduate transfers (Lockett, Carlino) who can play next fall.  Hundreds of regular transfers (last year had more than 500), Jucos (who can play next year) as well as unsigned seniors.

Potentially 1/3 of next year's roster is still to be determined.  And that list could/should include starters and impact players.

Way too early to talk about next year.

I'm sure if any graduate transfer look at Carlino's experience this season, they probably won't have any interest in MU.  Plus, with JUCOs and Lockett, Buzz had a lot of skins on the wall as a coach to attract that kind of talent.  Wojo's first season on the job as a head coach looks pretty damn ugly from a coaching perspective.  His job just got a lot tougher selling recruits on his vision, given his poor coaching record this year.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

  I have to disagree. Most know that Wojo can't do much cookin' when the pantry was bare.  I am hoping guys see a chance for some serious minutes next year not unlike what Carlino has been getting.

[willie warrior]

I think the current players will improve.

I think HE will have a nice impact.

I think we will have to find a point guard and a physical, power forward type who can contribute immediately.   A shooter would be nice too.

Don't we have the shooters and a PF coming in next year? Agree on the PG, but may have to move Duane there, although his game may be better suited for 2G

[warriorstrack]

Fischer was a joke today. He was so bad, Wojo had Derrick in the #1 rebounding positio on the last few Creighton free throw. Luke was out by the freethrow line because he couldn't even get a rebound on a missed freethrow. Embarrassing for a 7-footer.

I say good day to you sir, find another board to troll

[BM1090]

I'm sure if any graduate transfer look at Carlino's experience this season, they probably won't have any interest in MU.  Plus, with JUCOs and Lockett, Buzz had a lot of skins on the wall as a coach to attract that kind of talent.  Wojo's first season on the job as a head coach looks pretty damn ugly from a coaching perspective.  His job just got a lot tougher selling recruits on his vision, given his poor coaching record this year.

Wojo had never coached a game and brought in Carlino, Ellenson, Heldt, and Cheatham. Recruiting should not be a worry.

[ATL MU Warrior]

I'm sure if any graduate transfer look at Carlino's experience this season, they probably won't have any interest in MU.  Plus, with JUCOs and Lockett, Buzz had a lot of skins on the wall as a coach to attract that kind of talent.  Wojo's first season on the job as a head coach looks pretty damn ugly from a coaching perspective.  His job just got a lot tougher selling recruits on his vision, given his poor coaching record this year.

yeah, who would want to be the star and #1 offensive option (by a mile) and get a chance to showcase their skills on national TV 30+ times in their last year in college?

[oshkoshbgosh]

I say good day to you sir, find another board to troll

what's up with that? Do you disagree? Am I a troll because I think a center should be able t rebound?

[NersEllenson]

yeah, who would want to be the star and #1 offensive option (by a mile) and get a chance to showcase their skills on national TV 30+ times in their last year in college? 

I don't know.  Maybe a guy who wants to play on a winning team and make the NCAA tourney in their last season in college basketball?   

Wojo had never coached a game and brought in Carlino, Ellenson, Heldt, and Cheatham. Recruiting should not be a worry.

That's part of my point - Wojo had the benefit of being Coach K's right hand man.  That carried a lot of cred.  Now, he's got a full year of coaching under his belt - and the results have been pretty disastrous. 

[brewcity77]

Fischer was a joke today. He was so bad, Wojo had Derrick in the #1 rebounding positio on the last few Creighton free throw. Luke was out by the freethrow line because he couldn't even get a rebound on a missed freethrow. Embarrassing for a 7-footer.

Jim McIlvaine praised that move on the radio broadcast, saying that Wojo did it to put length on the perimeter and force Creighton to adjust and not just keep bombing us over the top. As Kreklow only scored 4 in the second half after his first half barrage it seemed to work.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Jim McIlvaine praised that move on the radio broadcast, saying that Wojo did it to put length on the perimeter and force Creighton to adjust and not just keep bombing us over the top. As Kreklow only scored 4 in the second half after his first half barrage it seemed to work.

You missed the FT part.

[brewcity77]

Well yeah, the free throws sucked, just highlighting one small positive.

[brandx]

I think Juan in WAY more athletic than Cohen.  Sandy has a better outside shot, but can't see anything else about his game that makes me think he'll be better than Juan.  He doesn't hustle like Juan does, he isn't as physical, he's slower off the dribble, he doesn't rebound as well, etc.

Um..... Juan is a senior - Sandy's a freshman. Sandy shows more promise and skill - to my eyes anyway - than Juan did as a freshman. Better shooter tries driving to the basket more and really isn't much skinnier than Juan was as a freshman.

Juan has played very well (at times) this year, but Sandy will be better by his junior year than Juan is this year.

[MattyWarrior]

If SC3 dedicates himself during the off-season I think he will be a solid player next year,he's plenty athletic. Do you
think any of the assistant coaches will bail?

[Texas Western]

I don't know.  Maybe a guy who wants to play on a winning team and make the NCAA tourney in their last season in college basketball?   

That's part of my point - Wojo had the benefit of being Coach K's right hand man.  That carried a lot of cred.  Now, he's got a full year of coaching under his belt - and the results have been pretty disastrous. 

This is a very important point. The half life of being Coach Ks guy is short. It was enough to get the 2015 recruits but everything going forward is going to be based in performance

[ChicosBailBonds]

This is a very important point. The half life of being Coach Ks guy is short. It was enough to get the 2015 recruits but everything going forward is going to be based in performance

That wasn't the case for Crean or Buzz.  Both of them landed quality classes a few years in.  Let's not forget Crean had two 15-14 years to start.

[79Warrior]

Hank, junior Luke, sophomore Duane >>>>> Carlino, freshman Duane, sophomore Luke.

We'll be a bubble team next year.  Hopefully Wojo gets a strong 2016 class and if he does so we'll be where we should be in 2 years.

Can only get better.

Bubble team? With what? We are last place and other than Duane and Fisher, who the hell is going to get us 7 or 8 more wins? The Freshmen? How has that worked out for us so far? This team is returning very little proven scoring next season. We might win a few more, but this group is not a bubble team.