Don't count us out of the Diamond Stone sweepstakes

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Christ, I am so tired of debating UW's academic standards. Congratulations, UW is above average. Now stop pretending they're on the same level as Stanford, Duke, Notre Dame, Northwestern, or other truly elite institutions.

+1.  UW is #47 in US News' rankings and MU is #76; a pretty narrow gap in the grand scheme of things.  If I have to listen to one more Madison schmuck talk about how academic standards at UW are materially higher at UW, I may ring their neck.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Larger student body/alumni = more buttheads to crow about UW standards

[Nukem2]

+1.  UW is #47 in US News' rankings and MU is #76; a pretty narrow gap in the grand scheme of things.  If I have to listen to one more Madison schmuck talk about how academic standards at UW are materially higher at UW, I may ring their neck.

At the undergrad level, there is very little difference.  As a research school with huge $$$ backing, yeah post grad goes to the state school.  In the meantime, Gov. Walker is suggesting that some of these high paid folks on that side might actually try teaching.   

[esotericmindguy]

Apparently the ACT has changed its scoring since I took it.  Does anyone have any idea what those numbers relate to on the old test with the high score of 36?

Pretty sure it's the combined score of the 4 test areas. Meaning, if you have a 3.55 GPA you can get a 9 on the ACT. You have a 2.0 you need t

[breadtree]

+1.  UW is #47 in US News' rankings and MU is #76; a pretty narrow gap in the grand scheme of things.  If I have to listen to one more Madison schmuck talk about how academic standards at UW are materially higher at UW, I may ring their neck.

All I did was cite two recent sources about UW's approach to admissions of athletes.  Those articles would seem to be relevant to the discussion of what might happen should Stone not be accepted at Wisconsin.

I made no comment on the general quality of the universities or their general admissions policies.

[wadesworld]

All I did was cite two recent sources about UW's approach to admissions of athletes.  Those articles would seem to be relevant to the discussion of what might happen should Stone not be accepted at Wisconsin.

I made no comment on the general quality of the universities or their general admissions policies.

Ron Dayne literally can't read.  He had no problem getting into school, and had no problem remaining eligible at UW.

John Clay was academically ineligible his senior year at Racine Horlick High School (not exactly the toughest academic institution in the world).  He had no trouble getting into UW, and he was an Honor Student at the almighty UW.

If a top athlete wants to be at UW, they will find a way to make it happen, despite pretending that they don't bend their incredibly difficult academic requirements.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Ron Dayne literally can't read.  He had no problem getting into school, and had no problem remaining eligible at UW.

John Clay was academically ineligible his senior year at Racine Horlick High School (not exactly the toughest academic institution in the world).  He had no trouble getting into UW, and he was an Honor Student at the almighty UW.

If a top athlete wants to be at UW, they will find a way to make it happen, despite pretending that they don't bend their incredibly difficult academic requirements.

This

There have been some intellectual gems over the years.  Certainly UW-madison is a very good school, many of their athletes are proficient on and off the court, but the revisionism over there is rather funny. 

[mu03eng]

All I did was cite two recent sources about UW's approach to admissions of athletes.  Those articles would seem to be relevant to the discussion of what might happen should Stone not be accepted at Wisconsin.

I made no comment on the general quality of the universities or their general admissions policies.

Not to be offensive, but those articles don't say anything other than people think Madison's standards for athletes are higher.  Madison's standards are no different than Marquette's.  Why students get accepted to one school versus another has to do with the ambiguity of NCAA rules and compliance and what risks the university wants to take with the individual students.

If Stone doesn't get into Wisconsin because of academics it's because he either didn't achieve the NCAA minimums required or because admissions and Bo Ryan decided he wasn't worth the risk.  Full stop.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Brent Moss on line one...

[WarriorPride68]

John Clay was academically ineligible his senior year at Racine Horlick High School (not exactly the toughest academic institution in the world).  He had no trouble getting into UW, and he was an Honor Student at the almighty UW.

John Clay played his senior season lol & didn't even go to Horlick. That would be Jamil Wilson.

[MerrittsMustache]

John Clay played his senior season lol & didn't even go to Horlick. That would be Jamil Wilson.

IIRC, he was ineligible to play his freshman year at UW and was forced to reshirt.

[Groin_pull]

Brent Moss on line one...

Rashard Griffith on line two.

[WarriorPride68]

IIRC, he was ineligible to play his freshman year at UW and was forced to reshirt.

+1

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Not to be offensive, but those articles don't say anything other than people think Madison's standards for athletes are higher.  Madison's standards are no different than Marquette's.  Why students get accepted to one school versus another has to do with the ambiguity of NCAA rules and compliance and what risks the university wants to take with the individual students.

If Stone doesn't get into Wisconsin because of academics it's because he either didn't achieve the NCAA minimums required or because admissions and Bo Ryan decided he wasn't worth the risk.  Full stop.

Correct. The NCAA minimums are standardized, but every school interprets the risk a little differently.

I don't think UW or MU are some bastions of higher learning. But, neither is the biggest risk taker, either.

For a guy like Stone, it's likely that passing the minimums will be good enough for UW or MU... he seems to be worth the risk. He's talented, and doesn't seem to be a knucklehead/troublemaker (I could be wrong, I don't know him personally).

If Diamond were the 150th ranked recruit, and had a history of run-ins with law enforcement, then he'd likely be considered "too risky".

[Spotcheck Billy]

What about a year in a Prep School to pull up his grades? Oversea pro-play?

Then he is a year further away from the NBA.

Remember he is projected to be a 2016 lottery pick.  So he just looking for a landing spot for next season to mark his time before he gets paid.

Would he still be a year from the NBA? I thought you just had to be the age your graduating class would be 1 year after graduating.

[GGGG]

I think he would have to go to Juco (or overseas) to be eligible after one year.  Prep school just pushes his HS graduation out a year.

[reinko]

Ron Dayne literally can't read.  He had no problem getting into school, and had no problem remaining eligible at UW.

John Clay was academically ineligible his senior year at Racine Horlick High School (not exactly the toughest academic institution in the world).  He had no trouble getting into UW, and he was an Honor Student at the almighty UW.

If a top athlete wants to be at UW, they will find a way to make it happen, despite pretending that they don't bend their incredibly difficult academic requirements.

Second hand, but FWIW, is that UW leadership is not budging and Bo is doing everything he can to get Diamond in, but for now Chancellor is saying:

[MUMonster03]

You also have to take into consideration what he will do to your APR. If he is truly going to be one and done, he probably won't stay around after basketball season to get ready for the draft.

[GGGG]

Second hand, but FWIW, is that UW leadership is not budging and Bo is doing everything he can to get Diamond in, but for now Chancellor is saying:

This is exactly what I am hearing BTW.  You guys can bring up all the past players you want, but I have been told that he wants UW but that UW won't admit him.  If he ends up at a place like UConn, he will have met NCAA standards but not UW's.

[wadesworld]

Second hand, but FWIW, is that UW leadership is not budging and Bo is doing everything he can to get Diamond in, but for now Chancellor is saying:

Have heard something similar, but they will find a way.  They always do.  Maybe his cousin who is going to ND next year has to take the ACT for him, but they'll make it work.

[jakeec]

Yea, Breadtree pretty much nails it.  UW seems to have a stricter admissions line then they have in the past.   Anderson left because of it.  

[Dawson Rental]

If Wisconsin won't offer Diamond due to academics, my guess is that MU won't either.

Who knows?  He's played high school basketball, and that's apparently the extent of one alumnus' qualifications.

[wadesworld]

Yea, Breadtree pretty much nails it.  UW seems to have a stricter admissions line then they have in the past.   Anderson left because of it.  

Don't fear, Badger fan.  They'll find a way to get your guy into school.  Just a matter of time.  Respect the process and let it play out, they always find a way.

[We R Final Four]

Badger troll agreeing with another Badger troll? I never would have guessed it.

[Dawson Rental]

All I did was cite two recent sources about UW's approach to admissions of athletes.  Those articles would seem to be relevant to the discussion of what might happen should Stone not be accepted at Wisconsin.

I made no comment on the general quality of the universities or their general admissions policies.

Agreed.  Unfortunately, you paid the toll for trolls from the past who made academic standards comparisons for the two schools a hot button here.