Wired article on Net Neutrality: FCC Chief weighs in

[keefe]

http://www.wired.com/2015/02/fcc-chairman-wheeler-net-neutrality/

[Spotcheck Billy]

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[LAMUfan]

I don't know man, If this net neutrality stuff goes south it's really going to effect Juan Anderson's jumper, I heard he was very concerned.

[naginiF]

I never check the superbar so i'm glad this was posted on the Al so i can follow any discussion that happens.  Having worked 15 years on the provider side and the last 4 on the entrepreneur side i fully understand both arguments (in a way over simplified and ignoring big government vs small government way). 

There isn't enough competition on the provider side (non wireless at least) to prevent gouging on what is a substandard experience* currently.  If I had to pay to get my internet based service to my clients at a reasonable pace I never would've been able to launch my company.

On the other hand we're not giving the entrepreneurial spirit nearly enough credit if we think that people wouldn't find opportunity in any environment and the providers should be able to commoditize their assets in accordance to what the market will bear. 

In the end I do think that we are better off as a whole with net neutrality.  More from a new business development, and the exchange of ideas, cultures and awareness of beauty and tragedy in the world than from a regulation vs. capitalism perspective.  Even if it has given a stage for people to use anonymity to try and drive discord  .


*I'm fortunate that I live in an area with Google Fiber and believe me it's WAY faster (literally a gig a second download when plugged into the wall), cheaper ($120/mo for cable and internet), and more dependable (one outage for a couple hours in the 18 months we've had it) than anything else i've experienced.  Also, if you look at average speed in US versus other industrialized nations we're mediocre at best.

[ChicosBailBonds]

....if you like your internet, you can keep your internet....

[ChicosBailBonds]

Cuban is having a field day with it

https://twitter.com/MCuban

[Mutaman]

....if you like your internet, you can keep your internet....

Chico is worried that the government is going to force him to eat broccoli. Its causing him to lose sleep at night.

[naginiF]

Cuban is having a field day with it

https://twitter.com/MCuban

.@kevdog @FCC the point is that we haven't seen mega bw 500mbs and faster apps and now we probably won't

He needs to move to a Google Fiber city.  Shocking that Austin is one and DFW isn't.

[Desert_warrior]

Since he is the CEO and Chairman of a cable television network, it isn't shocking at all that he would be against net neutrality.

[chapman]

He needs to move to a Google Fiber city.  Shocking that Austin is one and DFW isn't.

I, for one, am welcoming our Google overlords.

[MUsoxfan]

Telecom stocks jump 2-7% on this news. Financial disaster indeed...

[ChicosBailBonds]

Since he is the CEO and Chairman of a cable television network, it isn't shocking at all that he would be against net neutrality.

LOL

He also made his first millions in the computer space.  Made his first billions on an internet platform driven company.  He is also a huge investor in Netflix, etc.

I've known Mark for 20 years...the man isn't stupid.  Treating the internet like a utility is the epitome of stupid.  The problem is that he understands what this means, while most Americans haven't a clue. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

.@kevdog @FCC the point is that we haven't seen mega bw 500mbs and faster apps and now we probably won't

He needs to move to a Google Fiber city.  Shocking that Austin is one and DFW isn't.

You mean a google fiber neighborhood within that google fiber city.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Telecom stocks jump 2-7% on this news. Financial disaster indeed...

Wow....just wow.   I think you really meant that, too.

[mreezybreezy]

Here's the thing. Average connection speeds in this country are ABYSMAL when compared to other developed nations. The federal government has gifted the telecoms BILLIONS of dollars and, for the most part, they just pocketed the money and did nothing to improve our infrastructure. So yeah, we've tried the pseudo laissez faire stuff with the telecoms when it comes to providing internet service in this country and they failed. If they didn't want government intervention maybe they should have done their jobs in the first place. The only people who are against net neutrality are those that work in the telecom industry or stand to profit from the way the system is currently setup.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Here's the thing. Average connection speeds in this country are ABYSMAL when compared to other developed nations. The federal government has gifted the telecoms BILLIONS of dollars and, for the most part, they just pocketed the money and did nothing to improve our infrastructure. So yeah, we've tried the pseudo laissez faire stuff with the telecoms when it comes to providing internet service in this country and they failed. If they didn't want government intervention maybe they should have done their jobs in the first place. The only people who are against net neutrality are those that work in the telecom industry or stand to profit from the way the system is currently setup.

LOL.   Compare the size of other developed nations to ours, then get back to me.

Geography has a major major role in this

Your diatribe about "gifting" and "did nothing to improve our infrastructure" is no insanely wrong it is laughable.  Completely laughable.  Sounds like something out of a manifesto.

You should actually read who is against THIS version of net neutrality that they proposing, but that's clearly asking too much of you.  I suspect you would be more than surprised. 

For the record, I'm on the digital side that relies 100% on delivery of video over LTE, the internet, etc....I need connections as wide open as possible....that doesn't change how incredibly stupid THIS approach they are going down is.  There are ways to do this, but as we can see with other more recent implementations of major policy iniatives....they'll jack this up.

If you like your internet, you can keep your internet.

[mreezybreezy]

LOL.   Compare the size of other developed nations to ours, then get back to me.

Your diatribe about "gifting" and "did nothing to improve our infrastructure" is no insanely wrong it is laughable.  Completely laughable.  Sounds like something out of a manifesto.

A mainfesto or, ya know... fact.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131012/02124724852/decades-failed-promises-verizon-it-promises-fiber-to-get-tax-breaks-then-never-delivers.shtml

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html

But yeah, "LOL"... If you like your delusional fantasyland, you can keep your delusional fantasyland.

[reinko]

That Doomsday Prepper ranch in Idaho ain't gonna build itself everyone.

[jesmu84]

LOL.   Compare the size of other developed nations to ours, then get back to me.

Geography has a major major role in this

Your diatribe about "gifting" and "did nothing to improve our infrastructure" is no insanely wrong it is laughable.  Completely laughable.  Sounds like something out of a manifesto.

You should actually read who is against THIS version of net neutrality that they proposing, but that's clearly asking too much of you.  I suspect you would be more than surprised. 

For the record, I'm on the digital side that relies 100% on delivery of video over LTE, the internet, etc....I need connections as wide open as possible....that doesn't change how incredibly stupid THIS approach they are going down is.  There are ways to do this, but as we can see with other more recent implementations of major policy iniatives....they'll jack this up.

If you like your internet, you can keep your internet.

Do you believe private corporations, if they have control over what they want control over re: the internet, will do what's best for consumers?

I'm not asking that as a rationale for giving the government all the control. Just curious.

[naginiF]

Do you believe private corporations, if they have control over what they want control over re: the internet, will do what's best for consumers?

I'm not asking that as a rationale for giving the government all the control. Just curious.

I was at a large telecom for ~17yrs at the Sr. Director level (so not an officer but still exec) and i'd say 90% of the decisions were made for the good of the majority of customers.  Sample size of one so take it for what it's worth.

I didn't read the actual proposal, but those who have and are opposed.....what one thing would you change?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Wait until you read what is in it

http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/06/republican-fcc-commissioner-slams-obamas-332-page-plan-to-regulate-the-internet/



if you like your internet,  you can keep it.....

[brandx]

I was at a large telecom for ~17yrs at the Sr. Director level (so not an officer but still exec) and i'd say 90% of the decisions were made for the good of the majority of customers.  Sample size of one so take it for what it's worth.

I didn't read the actual proposal, but those who have and are opposed.....what one thing would you change?

How long ago were you there? I don't disagree with what you said, but I think it is just a different game now. Or, should I say war?

You have the big boys lined up on both sides. Simply put, Amazon, Google, Netflix, etc. don't want to lose out to the telecoms. If the telecoms win this battle, they could could do great harm to Netflix' bottom line (they'll make them pay through the nose for all the bandwidth they are using up) and do great harm to Google, Amazon, and others that they see as the enemy, even more so as they become bigger and bigger content providers.

Telecommunications services have always been common carriers providing basic service on equal terms to all — and to let other businesses make use of their infrastructure to provide information services.

But now Comcast and Verizon want Netflix, which accounts for 28% of all fixed-line Internet traffic in the U.S., to pay for some of that bandwidth it’s hogging which is not unreasonable in and of itself. The concern is what comes next. Bloggers, start-ups, nonprofits, and politicians or parties who aren't on the side of the telecoms, may be left behind watching as companies that can pay tolls or parties that are favored by the cable companies speed ahead.

The argument from the other side is that if the FCC passes strict rules on broadband providers, then that could bring slow innovation.

Finally, there is little doubt that the open internet has stimulated growth. What effect would partially closing it have?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Do you believe private corporations, if they have control over what they want control over re: the internet, will do what's best for consumers?

I'm not asking that as a rationale for giving the government all the control. Just curious.

Private corporation? 

Public corporations, are out to make money, to bring value to shareholders and customers.  Part of making money means keeping customers happy, otherwise you lose customers and don't make money.

The difference is that gov't and people that don't understand business or the real world would like companies to provide services to everyone, even if it means the companies lose their ass.  Or, the companies say they will do this service but need to be made whole, which means either cranking up prices or receiving subsidies....both of which get people all pissed off.

Pick your poison

[ChicosBailBonds]

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