Update on prof McAdams

[ChicosBailBonds]

Where are you getting all of this? McAdams?

http://dailynous.com/2014/11/22/letter-of-support-for-abbate-from-marquette-dept-chairs/

[Blue Horseshoe]

The letter is ridiculous.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I don't understand the problem.

They don't like how McAdams acted, and they are saying so.

What's the big deal?

[GGGG]

I don't understand the problem.

They don't like how McAdams acted, and they are saying so.

What's the big deal?

And never mentioned they wanted Marquette to let him go.

[Blue Horseshoe]

I don't understand the problem.

They don't like how McAdams acted, and they are saying so.

What's the big deal?

Irony

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Irony

It's not okay for McAdams to critique a TA, so it's not okay for these profs to critique McAdams?

Fine. Write them up too. If they do it on several occasions, they can be fired as well.

We all good now?

[Blue Horseshoe]

It's not okay for McAdams to critique a TA, so it's not okay for these profs to critique McAdams?

Fine. Write them up too. If they do it on several occasions, they can be fired as well.

We all good now?

There should be no writing up. That is the point. Marquette as an establishment has decided to over step its bounds and take improper actions (wrongfully suspending, attempting to fire) to address the situation.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

There should be no writing up. That is the point. Marquette as an establishment has decided to over step its bounds and take improper actions (wrongfully suspending, attempting to fire) to address the situation.

Alright, well, that's the fundamental disagreement then.

I think what McAdams did was unprofessional at best. AND, if he was warned of such actions in the past, then his firing might have merit.

[GGGG]

There should be no writing up. That is the point. Marquette as an establishment has decided to over step its bounds and take improper actions (wrongfully suspending, attempting to fire) to address the situation.

Well, I guess the courts are going to have to decide if it "over stepped its bounds."  Even tenured professors can be fired for cause.  We will see if Marquette properly documented its "cause."

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

It's been a couple of weeks.

Has MU been getting killed for this decision in the media?

(I'm honestly asking because I don't consume much news media that would cover a topic like this).

I haven't heard anything, but that doesn't mean people aren't out there talking about this.

[GGGG]

No, but there has been no real movement on anything over the past couple of weeks.  My guess is that his attorney is getting his stuff together to file a lawsuit of some-such and/or negotiating a buy out.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

No, but there has been no real movement on anything over the past couple of weeks.  My guess is that his attorney is getting his stuff together to file a lawsuit of some-such and/or negotiating a buy out.

Well, this will come up again, I guess I'm just checking on the potential bad PR MU could be receiving.

It will come up again, and then MU might take a little heat... but so far... haven't heard much.

[GGGG]

Well, this will come up again, I guess I'm just checking on the potential bad PR MU could be receiving.

It will come up again, and then MU might take a little heat... but so far... haven't heard much.

Unless there is something going on behind the scenes...no.  Marquette isn't receiving much heat from this at all.  (As predicted.)

[Blue Horseshoe]

Unless there is something going on behind the scenes...no.  Marquette isn't receiving much heat from this at all.  (As predicted.)

Marquette did receive heat, as many links have already been posted when the news broke. Just because we live in a 24 hour media society that has no choice but to cover more recent stories does not mean the university did not receive flack. Since there are no new developments in the story, there is nothing to report.

[GGGG]

Marquette did receive heat, as many links have already been posted when the news broke. Just because we live in a 24 hour media society that has no choice but to cover more recent stories does not mean the university did not receive flack. Since there are no new developments in the story, there is nothing to report.

I never said they didn't receive flack. 

What I said at the time: 

"I mean, how much of a "PR disaster" was it when Marquette withdrew the offer to the Liberal Arts dean?  After about a month, people moved on.  It had no real impact on donations, admissions or among the faculty.  This will be about the same."

I stand by that.

[Blue Horseshoe]

Marquette isn't receiving much heat from this at all.  (As predicted.)

You literally just said this.

Yes, we will see if Marquette donations drop off. Also, we will have to wait and see how this plays out. Marquette is attempting to keep this as quiet as possible.

[GGGG]

You literally just said this.

Yes, we will see if Marquette donations drop off. Also, we will have to wait and see how this plays out. Marquette is attempting to keep this as quiet as possible.

"Not much heat" isn't "no heat."

[keefe]

"Not much heat" isn't "no heat."

If Marquette is in the national news it is almost always for something bad. They have an atrocious record of managing matters.

I'm not sure I necessarily see a difference between hot and hotter. If John McAdams is warm then Jodi O'Brien was scalding. The O'Brien abrogation was a bloody embarrassment. The McAdams affair only reinforces the negative associations outsiders must have about MU.

 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/07/education/07marquette.html?_r=0

[GGGG]

O' Brien was hardly scalding.  Didn't effect the university much, if at all.  (Notwithstanding a NYT article from FIVE years ago.)  I am certainly not saying they handled it well, but you don't understand how little this stuff ultimately matters in the long run.

Did it have substantial impacts on donations and/or enrollment?  Will it in the future?  If the answer is "no," then ultimately the storm was brief and passed quickly.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

You literally just said this.

Yes, we will see if Marquette donations drop off. Also, we will have to wait and see how this plays out. Marquette is attempting to keep this as quiet as possible.

Agreed. MU is going to keep this quiet as possible. 

I guess for me, there seemed to be some people shaking their fist on this board, but not much has come of it (so far).

I keep in touch with about 20-30 MU alums on a regular basis (social media, co-workers, etc.) and this topic has come up ZERO times. Now, that's an extremely anecdotal example, so I'm not saying it's scientifically significant, but I'm not sure that McAdams is really going to be an issue.

There might be some $ exchanged, there might be a court decision, but I don't know if this is the PR disaster that some feared, at least so far it isn't.

I guess we will see what happens when court documents start piling up.

[mu-rara]

Some (many) of you don't listen to or don't believe in the alternative media.  Believe me, there is coverage.  It exists, even though you don't hear it.

There may be no immediate drop off, but this stuff always comes home to roost.  10-20 years from now, when large bequeaths are considered the connection to McAdams will matter.  Personally, I am reconsidering MU donations.  I'm thinking of redirecting contributions to Jesuit Nation.

The O'Brien issue and the McAdams issue are from polar sides of the political universe, and both were handled terribly by Marquette.  Why even pay PR flaks when they consistently screw it up.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Some (many) of you don't listen to or don't believe in the alternative media.  Believe me, there is coverage.  It exists, even though you don't hear it.

There may be no immediate drop off, but this stuff always comes home to roost.  10-20 years from now, when large bequeaths are considered the connection to McAdams will matter.  Personally, I am reconsidering MU donations.  I'm thinking of redirecting contributions to Jesuit Nation.

The O'Brien issue and the McAdams issue are from polar sides of the political universe, and both were handled terribly by Marquette.  Why even pay PR flaks when they consistently screw it up.

Ya, see, I don't consume a lot of alternative media, so that's why i'm asking. I'm totally admit there could be an underlying wave of people talking about this. Please share any links that you can.

As far as donations, I think it's totally reasonable for people to withhold their dollars. It's the best way to make your voice heard with a private school.

20 year impact? There is no way to know for sure. I'd argue that this is a pretty small issue. Hell, I couldn't tell you about issues like this from 20 years ago, so I don't know that anybody is going to be bringing this up 20 years from now, but I fully admit that maybe I'm just don't understand the amount of outrage.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

The average alum just doesn't care.  
The average alum cares more about the Won-Loss record of the basketball team than this.

As Sultan has said several times this matters very little (if at all) in the long run despite some strong opinions here one way or the other.

[Aughnanure]

O' Brien was hardly scalding.  Didn't effect the university much, if at all.  (Notwithstanding a NYT article from FIVE years ago.)  I am certainly not saying they handled it well, but you don't understand how little this stuff ultimately matters in the long run.

Did it have substantial impacts on donations and/or enrollment?  Will it in the future?  If the answer is "no," then ultimately the storm was brief and passed quickly.

This. News moves so fast nowadays many on here aren't realizing that this is just a blip in the news cycle before everyone moves on and reads something else (if they even noticed it/remembered it at all).

[Pakuni]

The average alum just doesn't care.  
The average alum cares more about the Won-Loss record of the basketball team than this.

I have a hard time coming up with any good reasons why I shouldn't care more about the won-loss record of the basketball team than this.