Poll: Wojo versus Mike Deane

[Texas Western]

After 5 years Mike Deane's coaching record was 100 wins 55 losses.
1994-95 21-12 NIT Finals
1995-96 23-8  NCAA Second Round
1996-97 22-9  NCAA First Round
1997-98 20-11 NIT Quarter Finals
1998-99 14-15

After 18 games his first year  Deane was 11-7 versus Wojo 10-8

Will Wojo outperform Mike Deane over 5 years? Outperform defined as either a better record or better tournament performance.

[MUfan12]

FFS.

[79Warrior]

After 5 years Mike Deane's coaching record was 100 wins 55 losses.
1994-95 21-12 NIT Finals
1995-96 23-8  NCAA Second Round
1996-97 22-9  NCAA First Round
1997-98 20-11 NIT Quarter Finals
1998-99 14-15

After 18 games his first year  Deane was 11-7 versus Wojo 10-8

Will Wojo outperform Mike Deane over 5 years? Outperform defined as either a better record or better tournament performance.

No Thanks.

[BCHoopster]

Wojo understands recruiting is the lifeblood of a program, younger than Mike, Mike did not want to recruit.

[21rooster]

I voted yes (partly based on expectations of post-season success in future years), but I think the idea of using first-year records is flawed.  Marquette went 24-9 in the year before Deane.  Marquette went 10-8 last year.  O'Neil left a successful program in which he actually coached in his final year.  Buzz?  Not so much.  Revise the poll to judge Wojo starting in year 2, and this makes a lot more sense.  That won't eliminate the entire Buzz hangover, but it gets to the root of the real question more effectively.  

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Did Deane ever bring in a top 10 recruiting class? Cause Wojo did that in his first year....

[Texas Western]

I voted yes (partly based on expectations of post-season success in future years), but I think the idea of using first-year records is flawed.  Marquette went 24-9 in the year before Deane.  Marquette went 10-8 last year.  O'Neil left a successful program in which he actually coached in his final year.  Buzz?  Not so much.  Revise the poll to judge Wojo starting in year 2, and this makes a lot more sense.  That won't eliminate the entire Buzz hangover, but it gets to the root of the real question more effectively.  

I thought about that, but I figured Wojo coming in with his Duke pedigree offset. We also know he has a top 10 recruiting class in hand. So I think it is a reasonable question.

Deane could actually coach players. Wojo we don't know yet.

[mu03eng]

Are these seriously things we are talking about with a coach who hasn't been here a year, has brought in a national top 10 class for next year and has been competitive in a tough conference with 8 players of whom 2 had average more than 15 minutes a game in any previous season????

[Galway Eagle]

This definitely goes down as one of the more stupid polls I've seen on here over the years. 

[Texas Western]

Are these seriously things we are talking about with a coach who hasn't been here a year, has brought in a national top 10 class for next year and has been competitive in a tough conference with 8 players of whom 2 had average more than 15 minutes a game in any previous season????

So with all that do you think he can out perform Deane over 5 years?

[21rooster]

First, pedigree is irrelevant to my point.  He inherited a considerably worse team.  Pedigree doesn't help that, unless you attribute the recruitment of Carlino to pedigree.  

Second, I'm already convinced that Wojo can coach.  If you're able to access old games, watch Marquette's defense at the beginning of the season.  Then watch the defense in recent games.  Marquette went from awful to one of the best defensive teams in the Big East.  How did they do that?  Wojo took a team that had rarely (if ever) played zone, and taught them to play it...even though Duke historically hasn't had to resort to zone defenses.  

To look at it differently, look at this year's lineup versus last year's lineup.  We lost our two centers and our power forward...and yet our records are remarkably similar, and we haven't been blown out of a single game.  Last game, we were in a position to win in the last minute despite three of our eight players combining for two points in 64 minutes.  I wish we had fewer offensively-challenged players, but that is what Wojo inherited...and I would argue that he's doing pretty well with what he's got.  

[Texas Western]

First, pedigree is irrelevant to my point.  He inherited a considerably worse team.  Pedigree doesn't help that, unless you attribute the recruitment of Carlino to pedigree.  

Second, I'm already convinced that Wojo can coach.  If you're able to access old games, watch Marquette's defense at the beginning of the season.  Then watch the defense in recent games.  Marquette went from awful to one of the best defensive teams in the Big East.  How did they do that?  Wojo took a team that had rarely (if ever) played zone, and taught them to play it...even though Duke historically hasn't had to resort to zone defenses.  

To look at it differently, look at this year's lineup versus last year's lineup.  We lost our two centers and our power forward...and yet our records are remarkably similar, and we haven't been blown out of a single game.  Last game, we were in a position to win in the last minute despite three of our eight players combining for two points in 64 minutes.  I wish we had fewer offensively-challenged players, but that is what Wojo inherited...and I would argue that he's doing pretty well with what he's got.  

Good points

[NersEllenson]

This whole notion of Wojo having inherited a program in such shambles simply needs to stop.  What other MU coach came into a situation that had:

9 NCAA appearances in prior 10 years
3 Sweet 16's in three of the four prior years to taking over at MU
A roster with 7, Top 100 players on it upon arrival: Cohen, JJJ, Duane, Burton, Luke, Steve, Juan

I believe Wojo can coach X's and O's, and believe he'll be successful at MU in the way of getting to the NCAA tourney pretty consistently.  I do not think he will exceed what Buzz accomplished.  Nor will he exceed Deane's win/loss record his first 5 years.

[GooooMarquette]

Second, I'm already convinced that Wojo can coach.  If you're able to access old games, watch Marquette's defense at the beginning of the season.  Then watch the defense in recent games.  Marquette went from awful to one of the best defensive teams in the Big East.  How did they do that?  Wojo took a team that had rarely (if ever) played zone, and taught them to play it...even though Duke historically hasn't had to resort to zone defenses.  

+1

[GGGG]

18 games into his first season, we have someone legitimately asking if Wojo is going to be better than Mike Deane.  I mean, you can't make this sh*t up.

This place is like watching a home video show that shows people getting whacked in the nuts over and over.  You find yourself laughing, wondering why you find it funny, yet you continue to watch.

[77ncaachamps]

Remind us: Who transferred when KO left MU?

[keefe]

You are all focusing on Dino's skills on the hardwood. What about his skills as a womanizer? That is the crucial measure we are all forgetting. This Wojo guy seems like he's far too happy with his wife. Some might even suggest he's whipped. I would dare suggest that after 5 years Wojo will fall short of Mike Deane's prodigious accomplishments as a Lothario.  

[spiral97]

This definitely goes down as one of the more stupid polls I've seen on here over the years. 

Not sure about that.. maybe we need a poll to find out?

[21rooster]

Ners...10 Big East coaches voted that Marquette would tie for 7th-8th in the Big East.  These are the same guys who scouted and battled against those top 100 players last year.  Sometimes high school rankings don't tell the story.  I don't want to call specific players out, but I think we can agree that at least two of those players probably shouldn't have been in the top 100, or their confidence has been beaten down so much in prior years that they are not playing that way.  Also, college coaches know...players learn from experience on the court.  Just 3 of those 7 top 100 guys had played meaningful college basketball minutes, and meaningful is a bit of a stretch for all three of them.  

[brewcity77]

And here I thought it couldn't get any more inane than Ners' Derrick obsession... 

[Texas Western]

18 games into his first season, we have someone legitimately asking if Wojo is going to be better than Mike Deane.  I mean, you can't make this sh*t up.

This place is like watching a home video show that shows people getting whacked in the nuts over and over.  You find yourself laughing, wondering why you find it funny, yet you continue to watch.

So give us your point of view. Deane won 437 games in his career. I am just asking if Wojo will be better in the first five years than Deane was while he was here . You have the benefit of knowing that Wojo recruited Henry and Company.

[GooooMarquette]

I want to know if people think Wojo will be better than K was after five years at Duke.

85-65 overall
1 NIT (2 wins)
2 NCAAs (1 win total)

Also note that K inherited a program that was coming off three straight NCAA tournaments under Bill Foster, including a Final Four in 1978 and an Elite Eight in 1980.

[dinger]

I went ahead and voted for both because the poll is set to allow that. That way I can tell you all in five years that I knew it all along!

[79Warrior]

Ners...10 Big East coaches voted that Marquette would tie for 7th-8th in the Big East.  These are the same guys who scouted and battled against those top 100 players last year.  Sometimes high school rankings don't tell the story.  I don't want to call specific players out, but I think we can agree that at least two of those players probably shouldn't have been in the top 100, or their confidence has been beaten down so much in prior years that they are not playing that way.  Also, college coaches know...players learn from experience on the court.  Just 3 of those 7 top 100 guys had played meaningful college basketball minutes, and meaningful is a bit of a stretch for all three of them.  

Please, no reality. It distorts the narrative.

[WarriorInNYC]

This whole notion of Wojo having inherited a program in such shambles simply needs to stop.  What other MU coach came into a situation that had:

9 NCAA appearances in prior 10 years
3 Sweet 16's in three of the four prior years to taking over at MU
A roster with 7, Top 100 players on it upon arrival: Cohen, JJJ, Duane, Burton, Luke, Steve, Juan

I believe Wojo can coach X's and O's, and believe he'll be successful at MU in the way of getting to the NCAA tourney pretty consistently.  I do not think he will exceed what Buzz accomplished.  Nor will he exceed Deane's win/loss record his first 5 years.

Not sure how the bolded above is relevant in the team that Wojo inherited.  3 players on the current team had a tiny part in those numbers.

Fact of the matter is that he inherited a team that was picked to finish 7th-8th in the Big East and had lost the majority of its scoring and rebounding.