Derrick

[forgetful]

Early prediction for next season.

Scoopers will be commenting about how they wish we had Derrick back for another season.

[MUfan12]

Early prediction for next season.

Scoopers will be commenting about how they wish we had Derrick back for another season.

If the staff can't bring a PG in who can play right away, you'll be spot on with that prediction.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Early prediction for next season.

Scoopers will be commenting about how they wish we had Derrick back for another season.

Lol, not a chance in hell.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Please DON'T EVER quote Dickie 'Simpleton' Simkins again!

It's the strengffff and athleticism! Great lengfffff.

[Loose Cannon]

Somewhere, Ners is screaming.  Either that or he is remote typing through Texas Western.

+1

[Dr. Blackheart]

Derrick, Luke and Teve were all above average.  The BE is more physical than maybe Wojo is used to.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2015/01/06/marquette-59-georgetown-65

[madtownwarrior]

Derrick's inbound passes suck.  Holds the ball long, usually passes to a player in a tight position where his teammate has to fight for it (luke bailed him out at least once yesterday).  One time passed late to the corner where we had two players trapped.  

Or we have bad inbound play execution.  

[willie warrior]

We will never win a close game when Derrick is in the game with 5 minutes or less. He has terrible basketball iQ. He holds the ball way too much and is simply not a threat in any way and the other team knows it. That said he is not the goat of the game. He played hard etc.

Absolutely. If behind, he spends way too much time dribbling around on the perimeter., when quick points are needed. He is not the guy in that situation. Guess the people that want him at the end there must want it because of his FT prowess, or his ability to create his shot.

[willie warrior]

And the shooting (three point, free throw, or otherwise) might not even be significantly worse than what we've seen from others.  Giving some a heart attack (at least if we went back in time), Derrick played 24 minutes and it wasn't enough.

Now there is a statement swarming with fact based data.

[wadesworld]

Now there is a statement swarming with fact based data.

Food for thought.  On the season:

Derrick    5-19 from 3....26%
JJJ          7-39 from 3....18%

I would actually like to see Derrick shoot more and JJJ less right now.

...?

[CTWarrior]

I've mostly stayed out of this discussion, because I have a lot of respect for Derrick Wilson.  He has improved a great deal from last season to this season. 

He brings a lot to the table.  He is a steadying influence, a good defender, a great rebounder for a guard despite his lack of height and he is a max-effort, high character guy.  There is an awful lot to like about him.

But I do not agree with those who say he has a high basketball IQ.  He dribbles an awful lot accomplishing nothing other than dwindling the shot clock.  His first offensive instinct in all situations is to back it out and start all over again (though he is resisting that urge much more this season), and that is now my biggest problem with him as a player.  He is not guarded as loosely this year as he was last year, but he certainly is not guarded tightly and still can take a wide open three pretty much any time he wants in the first 20-25 seconds of the shot clock.  How many times last night did a penetrator drive and dish to a wide open Derrick behind the line on the wing, who then won't take the shot and instead will dribble back to the top of the key to reset the offense?  Had to be at least 10 times.

I think Wojo is correct to diminish his minutes when we are facing a zone.  When we are guarded straight man to man, Derrick is penetrating more this year and creating.  Against a zone, he's just a perimeter guy who doesn't challenge or stretch the defense. 

Now, a caveat may be that all that dribbling is by design by Wojo to shorten the game and help keep our small rotation out of foul trouble.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Agree with CT.  Derrick is much better this season.  He has an offensive game now.  He dribbles well against the press.  The only problem is his slow play.  He simply does not play fast transition ball.  He tends to slow the pace to a stand still, making the other players stand still.  And, he has trouble passing into the post.

[MU82]

Duane was a borderline disaster. Carlino made a few shots but was far too loose with the basketball. Derrick was Derrick.

We have a flawed situation at PG for the second straight season. It's better this year and Wojo has more options than Buzz did, but it still is not high-major caliber.

So we are left debating which option is the least worst.

Long term, I am still high on Duane. And Carlino has to play because he is the only guard who has shown any ability to shoot 3s with any consistency at all. And for all his warts, Derrick often has been our best guard and our stabilizing factor.

Wojo will continue to mix and match 'em, and I really see no other alternative.

[mileskishnish72]

At this stage Derrick is more reliable than any of our other guards. Other than a couple of games where one guy or another went off for 30, the shooting hasn't been there, and he seems to have improved this year so the offensive deficiency has lessened. In a game like last night, taking care of the ball is a big issue, and while Derrick had one TO, others had more. I hope JJJ improves and I have to eat these words down the road, but I am getting more and more convinced that he will not develop as any kind of outside threat with the weird shot that he has. The haters will hate on Derrick but the younger guys have much learning to do.

[willie warrior]

...?

try the larger sample of career and see what they look like. But if that doesn't work---fine--you can prefer Derrick, probably a career 18 % 3 point shooter. He should not be shooting 3's unless wide open, and then expect the % to be no more than about 25-30%. Carlino is a much better shooter and at crunch time should be playing the point. But the fact remains, that Derrick is a poor 3 point shooter.

[Marquette_g]

Somehow this feels like Deja Vu from last year, but this season is going to be lost.  I would rather have Duane work through struggles and adapt to the college game than watch Derrick hold the ball or miss free throws.

[hairy worthen]

Duane was a borderline disaster. Carlino made a few shots but was far too loose with the basketball. Derrick was Derrick.

We have a flawed situation at PG for the second straight season. It's better this year and Wojo has more options than Buzz did, but it still is not high-major caliber.

So we are left debating which option is the least worst.

Long term, I am still high on Duane. And Carlino has to play because he is the only guard who has shown any ability to shoot 3s with any consistency at all. And for all his warts, Derrick often has been our best guard and our stabilizing factor.

Wojo will continue to mix and match 'em, and I really see no other alternative.

Correct on all this.

Duane is going to go through slumps and have periods of poor play. He is a freshman in terms of playing in games. It's what freshman do, and who they are. I think his upside is extremely high. You can see flashes of his talent. Most of the mistakes he is making are correctable with experience. Same thing for Cohen and JJJ as well.

[GGGG]

Somehow this feels like Deja Vu from last year, but this season is going to be lost.  I would rather have Duane work through struggles and adapt to the college game than watch Derrick hold the ball or miss free throws.

Right now Derrick is getting about 30 mpg and Duane is getting 26 mpg.

And Duane has been going through a slump since the Tennessee game.  Since then he is shooting 32%, 11% from 3, with 18 assists and 15 turnovers.  

You really can't have more of that than you already have.  He is getting plenty of time too.  He hasn't had less than 20 mpg during that stretch except for North Dakota.

[Marquette_g]

For all his "high basketball IQ" Derrick ranks last on the team in PER at 11.9.  Note that 15 is about average.

Luke: 27.8
Juan: 18.8
Cohen: 18.2
Carlino: 17.9
JJJ: 16.9
Duane: 16.5
STJ: 13.8
Derrick:  11.9

But sure, he is our best guard.   Note that he is also last for Win Share over Forty Minutes at .089.

[g0lden3agle]

I'd just like to note that the topics of discussion on this site has barely changed since the banhammer was brought out on Ners...

[GGGG]

I'd just like to note that the topics of discussion on this site has barely changed since the banhammer was brought out on Ners...

Not really.  Discussions about Derrick are in one thread called "Derrick."  Not in multiple threads.

[tower912]

And the discussions lack that certain 'over the top insanity' that ners brought for dozens of posts in each thread. 

[MerrittsMustache]

For all his "high basketball IQ" Derrick ranks last on the team in PER at 11.9.  Note that 15 is about average.

Luke: 27.8
Juan: 18.8
Cohen: 18.2
Carlino: 17.9
JJJ: 16.9
Duane: 16.5
STJ: 13.8
Derrick:  11.9

But sure, he is our best guard.   Note that he is also last for Win Share over Forty Minutes at .089.

Blue was the best player on the 2012-13 team yet his PER ranked 5th on the team. That same season, Cadougan's WS/40 was .090 (the highest of his MU career).

Stats can only tell us so much.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

On a team that only has 8 players, NOBODY should be griping about minutes or playing time.

Every player is getting more than enough opportunities to play.

If you ever find yourself thinking: "X should get more minutes!", stop and slap yourself.

[Marquette_g]

Blue was the best player on the 2012-13 team yet his PER ranked 5th on the team. That same season, Cadougan's WS/40 was .090 (the highest of his MU career).

Stats can only tell us so much.

You're right, they only tell me that Cadougan wasn't all that great, which is a point I often made amongst friends.

I agree that there are limitations to statistics, but if you look across most advanced metrics, Derrick doesn't fare very well.