Wojo Radio Show

[PGsHeroes32]

True, but athletes generally don't go out of their way to praise a team if they don't believe it.

I get what your saying. It doesn't prove anything. Same way that Wojo calling Derrick "terrific" or Davante calling Dawson "the best PG on the team" really proves anything. The way you said it however made it sound like you thought Duane didn't mean it when he said those things. I think Duane meant every word said.

Yeah probably shouldn't have even said anything since I want nothing to do with another 4 pages of Derrick lol. While Ners clearly has his issues(many of them) it is comes like that from the other side that are going to really bait the beast. I just tired to get out ahead of it and show that is far from definitive support.

Duane probably does really love the leadership and experience that Derrick brings however.

[PGsHeroes32]

I'll take your point there are not many but here is one.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/13/sports/college-basketball-st-john-s-glover-also-trying-to-lead-off-court.html

lol didn't know about that good find. But that was more of a disappointed in the whole team we got to improve thing. He didn't call out a player individually.

[tower912]

You are going to have to explain how reporting what Derrick, Duane, and Wojo said is baiting the beast.    The beast is looking for reasons to be baited and would use emoticons as justification if he had to. 

[WarhawkWarrior]

Kobe just threw half of his team under the bus.

[PGsHeroes32]

You are going to have to explain how reporting what Derrick, Duane, and Wojo said is baiting the beast.    The beast is looking for reasons to be baited and would use emoticons as justification if he had to. 

Really didn't think common sense required explanation...

"Duane's comments should get some of the morons all riled up. Duane must be another one who is clueless, in addition to two coaching staffs."

That more than just heavily implying that a student athletes "on air" comments about a teammate are the be all end all truth.

This is the EXACT type of comment that has gotten Ners going for the past year. Further showing that this Ners/Derrick problem is a two sided problem. It is always brought up and then escalated.

I hope that me point out a common sense breakdown of a student athletes interview would squash the idiocracy. But, alas we are well on our way to another legendary thread.

[tower912]

I missed that inflammatory post.   Mea Culpa.   Now, let me ask this.   If it weren't for Ners, would what Derrick and Duane said be anything other than boilerplate with a little positive insight?   I LIKE hearing from a senior that a redshirt freshman has a great work ethic.   I LIKE hearing that the red-shirt freshman acknowledges and respects the leadership the senior is bringing.   That is as it should be and I am hoping that Duane is absorbing how to be a leader from Derrick so that he can lead next year.   Because of the history of this board, and one poster in particular,  these are somehow controversial, challenging statements.   Does that say more about Duane/Derrick, more about the poster, or more about this board?

[keefe]

Show me one college athlete that has went public about a teammate and said anything negative regarding their play.

Tanned Tommy does this publicly after every defeat

[brandx]

I missed that inflammatory post.   Mea Culpa.   Now, let me ask this.   If it weren't for Ners, would what Derrick and Duane said be anything other than boilerplate with a little positive insight?   I LIKE hearing from a senior that a redshirt freshman has a great work ethic.   I LIKE hearing that the red-shirt freshman acknowledges and respects the leadership the senior is bringing.   That is as it should be and I am hoping that Duane is absorbing how to be a leader from Derrick so that he can lead next year.   Because of the history of this board, and one poster in particular,  these are somehow controversial, challenging statements.   Does that say more about Duane/Derrick, more about the poster, or more about this board?

Totally agree. And the funny thing is that people here thought Derrick was gonna sit a lot this year. There was no doubt whatsoever that Derrick was going to be the leader of this team whether it was for Wojo or a different coach.

He is exactly what a new coach would want - an upperclassman who is the hardest worker out on the floor every day. What better way to teach the young guys. /coaches can push and prod all they want - but ultimately it is self-motivation and peer-pressure that push these guys. They want to be respected by their teammates and opponents above all else.

BTW, it's sooooo nice to be able to read a Ners-free thread.

[PGsHeroes32]

I missed that inflammatory post.   Mea Culpa.   Now, let me ask this.   If it weren't for Ners, would what Derrick and Duane said be anything other than boilerplate with a little positive insight?   I LIKE hearing from a senior that a redshirt freshman has a great work ethic.   I LIKE hearing that the red-shirt freshman acknowledges and respects the leadership the senior is bringing.   That is as it should be and I am hoping that Duane is absorbing how to be a leader from Derrick so that he can lead next year.   Because of the history of this board, and one poster in particular,  these are somehow controversial, challenging statements.   Does that say more about Duane/Derrick, more about the poster, or more about this board?

This^ is 100% correct and basically my point and kind of what I stated in reply to TAMU. Duane probably did mean every word of what he said regarding Derricks leadership and experience. And really I hope he did. It shows 1. That Derrick is having an impact on young guys and 2. As you stated that young redshirt freshman is maturing, accepting leadership and giving out props for it. And that's really what it should have been about. Saying "Hey it looks like Derrick is doing his job and having an influence on Duane and the young guys". Instead of using the open ended comments to fuel the Derrick fire again.

I was very vocal against Buzz use of Derrick last year during that sh itstorm. But have stayed mostly out of it this year because I truly don't care one way or another. I'd prefer he isn't played 30 plus minutes a game but at least this year I see why he is right now and with the 3 guard lineup he has been very useful in many games already.

It's just annoying seeing Ners be the sole blame(he is the vast majority). Don't get me wrong, if he went away it would probably all stop. But people still fuel his debates big time.

When Derrick does good or something positive is said about him the comments should be "Derrick did a fantastic job today, or Derrick is really doing a great job of shaping Duane". If he has a bad game "Derrick was poor today"

Every bad play/game and every good game/positive Wojo comment shouldn't turn into proof that he really does suck or really is a huge piece to the team. It just gets us nowhere lol. He has a great game and everyone can mock Ners, but that just opens the door for his next bad game as Ners piles on harder.

Tangent over. Ultimately I am stoked for the player that Duane is becoming and the impact Derrick is seemingly having on a young kid learning the importance of leadership early on.

[brandx]

This^ is 100% correct and basically my point and kind of what I stated in reply to TAMU. Duane probably did mean every word of what he said regarding Derricks leadership and experience. And really I hope he did. It shows 1. That Derrick is having an impact on young guys and 2. As you stated that young redshirt freshman is maturing, accepting leadership and giving out props for it. And that's really what it should have been about. Saying "Hey it looks like Derrick is doing his job and having an influence on Duane and the young guys". Instead of using the open ended comments to fuel the Derrick fire again.

I was very vocal against Buzz use of Derrick last year during that sh itstorm. But have stayed mostly out of it this year because I truly don't care one way or another. I'd prefer he isn't played 30 plus minutes a game but at least this year I see why he is right now and with the 3 guard lineup he has been very useful in many games already.

It's just annoying seeing Ners be the sole blame(he is the vast majority). Don't get me wrong, if he went away it would probably all stop. But people still fuel his debates big time.

When Derrick does good or something positive is said about him the comments should be "Derrick did a fantastic job today, or Derrick is really doing a great job of shaping Duane". If he has a bad game "Derrick was poor today"

Every bad play/game and every good game/positive Wojo comment shouldn't turn into proof that he really does suck or really is a huge piece to the team. It just gets us nowhere lol. He has a great game and everyone can mock Ners, but that just opens the door for his next bad game as Ners piles on harder.

Tangent over. Ultimately I am stoked for the player that Duane is becoming and the impact Derrick is seemingly having on a young kid learning the importance of leadership early on.

Well said, Hayward. I look at things a lot different than you, (generally much more positive, I think) but you are spot on here. It's so nice to read a thoughtful viewpoint instead of a he sucks/no he doesn't suck thread.

Edit: Not referring to you when I mentioned the he sucks/ no he doesn't stuff.

[tower912]

It wouldn't all go away.   When Chicos was banned, there were still asides about Crean.   But the day in, day out Crean bashing dries up a lot when Chicos isn't drawn in.   Still there occasionally, but not a constant.   The Derrick bashing would diminish to an occasional shot if Ners wasn't around to (A) instigate it or (B) be taunted into it.  

[PGsHeroes32]

Well said, Hayward. I look at things a lot different than you, (generally much more positive, I think) but you are spot on here. It's so nice to read a thoughtful viewpoint instead of a he sucks/no he doesn't suck thread.

Thanks. It's so much easier when people dole out praise when deserved and express criticisms without going overboard when they are warranted. Rather than arguing every time. I'm hoping the recent JJJ bashing doesn't turn into a replacement for when Derrick is gone  .

And yes, you are far more optimistic then me lol. I am more of a extreme optimist in the long run. But very short term pessimistic. Some would say this is extremely unhealthy but leads to a lot of pleasant surprises at least. I think this outlook(which I have for all sports) is mostly due to the Twins fan in me GAHHHHHHH!!!

[jsglow]

It's not lost on me that Wojo asked Derrick and Duane to go do his radio show.  Both represented very well.  Today this is Derrick's team.  Down the road a couple years it'll be Duane's.

[mattyv1908]

Totally agree. And the funny thing is that people here thought Derrick was gonna sit a lot this year. There was no doubt whatsoever that Derrick was going to be the leader of this team whether it was for Wojo or a different coach.

He is exactly what a new coach would want - an upperclassman who is the hardest worker out on the floor every day. What better way to teach the young guys. /coaches can push and prod all they want - but ultimately it is self-motivation and peer-pressure that push these guys. They want to be respected by their teammates and opponents above all else.

BTW, it's sooooo nice to be able to read a Ners-free thread.

Did he really get banned?

If so I feel bad making a parody post of his 'how bad was Deonte' topic.

[MUfan12]

Today this is Derrick's team.  Down the road a couple years it'll be Duane's.

Might be as early as next year. Noskowiak will be a big help as well, especially with his fellow freshmen. He bought in early on Wojo and helped bring that class together.

[Eldon]

Can't a guy be a team leader without getting 25-30 minutes per game? Could DeWil no longer be team leader if he played 5-10 min per game? The young guys could still benefit from his leadership without having him on the floor IMO.

I am reminded of Earvin Johnson on the early 2000 bucks squad. He was the team captain, rallied the troops, was the liaison between the coach and the team, but he took a backseat role to the big three and I dont remember him playing a lot of minutes or even starting and yet he was the undisputed team leader due to his personality and experience, not his skill (or lack thereof) and playing time.

[PGsHeroes32]

It's not lost on me that Wojo asked Derrick and Duane to go do his radio show.  Both represented very well.  Today this is Derrick's team.  Down the road a couple years it'll be Duane's.

That's a great point as well. Duane is shaping up to really be a guy that we can realistically get overexcited about.

Juan is pretty well spoken as well so I wouldn't be surprised if he pops up throughout the year as well but it definitely does say something about the Wilson combo right now.

[Nukem2]

Can't a guy be a team leader without getting 25-30 minutes per game? Could DeWil no longer be team leader if he played 5-10 min per game? The young guys could still benefit from his leadership without having him on the floor IMO.

I am reminded of Earvin Johnson on the early 2000 bucks squad. He was the team captain, rallied the troops, was the liaison between the coach and the team, but he took a backseat role to the big three and I dont remember him playing a lot of minutes or even starting and yet he was the undisputed team leader due to his personality and experience, not his skill (or lack thereof) and playing time.

That's Ervin.  Earvin is the Magic one. Ervin was a vet and played about 20 mpg for the Bucks.  That would be the equivalent of Derrick playing 16.7 mpg.  So,  I gess your answer is no.

[jsglow]

Can't a guy be a team leader without getting 25-30 minutes per game? Could DeWil no longer be team leader if he played 5-10 min per game? The young guys could still benefit from his leadership without having him on the floor IMO.

I am reminded of Earvin Johnson on the early 2000 bucks squad. He was the team captain, rallied the troops, was the liaison between the coach and the team, but he took a backseat role to the big three and I dont remember him playing a lot of minutes or even starting and yet he was the undisputed team leader due to his personality and experience, not his skill (or lack thereof) and playing time.

Sure sounded to me like Duane appreciates everything Derrick does, on and off the court.

[jsglow]

Might be as early as next year. Noskowiak will be a big help as well, especially with his fellow freshmen. He bought in early on Wojo and helped bring that class together.

Might be but Steve will be the captain and Duane will give him discretion.  Let's remember that Steve captained a very successful Simeon squad.  They had one or two decent players and a wee bit of success.

[GooooMarquette]

This^ is 100% correct and basically my point and kind of what I stated in reply to TAMU. Duane probably did mean every word of what he said regarding Derricks leadership and experience. And really I hope he did. It shows 1. That Derrick is having an impact on young guys and 2. As you stated that young redshirt freshman is maturing, accepting leadership and giving out props for it. And that's really what it should have been about. Saying "Hey it looks like Derrick is doing his job and having an influence on Duane and the young guys". Instead of using the open ended comments to fuel the Derrick fire again.

I was very vocal against Buzz use of Derrick last year during that sh itstorm. But have stayed mostly out of it this year because I truly don't care one way or another. I'd prefer he isn't played 30 plus minutes a game but at least this year I see why he is right now and with the 3 guard lineup he has been very useful in many games already.

It's just annoying seeing Ners be the sole blame(he is the vast majority). Don't get me wrong, if he went away it would probably all stop. But people still fuel his debates big time.

When Derrick does good or something positive is said about him the comments should be "Derrick did a fantastic job today, or Derrick is really doing a great job of shaping Duane". If he has a bad game "Derrick was poor today"

Every bad play/game and every good game/positive Wojo comment shouldn't turn into proof that he really does suck or really is a huge piece to the team. It just gets us nowhere lol. He has a great game and everyone can mock Ners, but that just opens the door for his next bad game as Ners piles on harder.

Tangent over. Ultimately I am stoked for the player that Duane is becoming and the impact Derrick is seemingly having on a young kid learning the importance of leadership early on.

I disagree with a lot of what you post, but this is excellent!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This^ is 100% correct and basically my point and kind of what I stated in reply to TAMU. Duane probably did mean every word of what he said regarding Derricks leadership and experience. And really I hope he did. It shows 1. That Derrick is having an impact on young guys and 2. As you stated that young redshirt freshman is maturing, accepting leadership and giving out props for it. And that's really what it should have been about. Saying "Hey it looks like Derrick is doing his job and having an influence on Duane and the young guys". Instead of using the open ended comments to fuel the Derrick fire again.

I was very vocal against Buzz use of Derrick last year during that sh itstorm. But have stayed mostly out of it this year because I truly don't care one way or another. I'd prefer he isn't played 30 plus minutes a game but at least this year I see why he is right now and with the 3 guard lineup he has been very useful in many games already.

It's just annoying seeing Ners be the sole blame(he is the vast majority). Don't get me wrong, if he went away it would probably all stop. But people still fuel his debates big time.

When Derrick does good or something positive is said about him the comments should be "Derrick did a fantastic job today, or Derrick is really doing a great job of shaping Duane". If he has a bad game "Derrick was poor today"

Every bad play/game and every good game/positive Wojo comment shouldn't turn into proof that he really does suck or really is a huge piece to the team. It just gets us nowhere lol. He has a great game and everyone can mock Ners, but that just opens the door for his next bad game as Ners piles on harder.

Tangent over. Ultimately I am stoked for the player that Duane is becoming and the impact Derrick is seemingly having on a young kid learning the importance of leadership early on.

Well said Hayward. Can't find a word I disagree with

[WarriorFan]

Derrick was extremely well spoken.  Confident, smooth, proper English, etc.  This is what impressed me the most.
Duane was not as smooth, but also very confident.  As this kid grows up, he's going to add a lot to MU.
Homer did a great job with easy questions early to get them to relax.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Derrick was extremely well spoken.  Confident, smooth, proper English, etc.  This is what impressed me the most.
Duane was not as smooth, but also very confident.  As this kid grows up, he's going to add a lot to MU.
Homer did a great job with easy questions early to get them to relax.

Proper english?? What does this mean?

[Blackhat]

He probably meant that he used standard american english not african american english.