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tower912

Now that would be funny.    But would it be squirmy?
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

mug644

Quote from: tower912 on October 28, 2014, 02:54:55 PM
Now that would be funny.    But would it be squirmy?

It was only squirmy when a JUCO guy was 'cruitin' one of his own. When it's a Dukie guy doing it, it's a blend between branching out, offering opportunity and thinking outside the box.

BCHoopster

If he can play, who cares where he comes from.  Obviously, he will need the grades but I am sure he looks at Heldt, who might not be ready as a frosh to step in, and the possiblility
of Henry staying one year.  Loses Henry and Taylor, that would leave only Fisher, Heldt and Burton on the front line in 2 years, bring in a juco and you are set for the following 2 years
with experience.  OK I forgot Wally but I consider him a small forward.

willie warrior

Quote from: mug644 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:16 PM
It was only squirmy when a JUCO guy was 'cruitin' one of his own. When it's a Dukie guy doing it, it's a blend between branching out, offering opportunity and thinking outside the box.
But wait...The Midwest Duke does not recruit JUCO's.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

LAMUfan

Not sure how this guy plays but 6'7" 200 lbs could be more of a 3/ swing too, not exactly a big dude for a 19-20 year old (he is tall)

TAMU, Knower of Ball

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ_oIp7w7LM

Video from his high school days.

He was a three star according to ESPN coming out of high school. Currently 6th in 247's composite rankings for JUCOs.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Lennys Tap

Quote from: mug644 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:16 PM
It was only squirmy when a JUCO guy was 'cruitin' one of his own. When it's a Dukie guy doing it, it's a blend between branching out, offering opportunity and thinking outside the box.

LOL - nailed it, mug.

TheBurrEffect

what's with the JUCO hate? Crowder and DJO were the best players under Buzz and they both came from Juco.

ChicosBailBonds

It's only squirmy when kids are at diploma mills and needing to do wild gymnastics to get eligible.  It's also not good, as we've illustrated many times over, to have kids only around 2 years.  Some of our JUCOs have been 3 year players, the longer they are around, the better continuity for the program.

An occasional JUCO to shore up a hole, sure.  When you have 40% of your team JUCOs, no thanks.  Let other schools do that, plenty of exemplary programs have proved over and over again you don't need to go down that path, and MU doesn't either.




mug644

I'll accept that I contributed in this thread to a negativism towards JUCOs, but I meant it more as an observation of Buzz's comfort zone and success vs. the fears of the MU administration.

Stories indicate that Buzz wanted to continue recruiting JUCOs and also imply that the administration was nervous about the character/academic performance of some recruits.

From the outside (and I am very outside), it seems that Buzz took only the best of the best when it came to JUCOs (JFB, Jae, Dwight, Joe and DJO).Maybe he wanted/got some others that didn't easily fit the admin's image of a 'proper' MU student.

Maybe that was part of the opening of the door that Buzz chose to walk out and MU chose to let him walk out of.

Regardless, MU's recent history of JUCOs must compare favorably to that of numerous other schools. Huggy at Cincy (and punching a horse) comes to mind.

bilsu

What is confusing to me is when he can actually come to MU. Common sense would be he is a recruit for next year. However, if you read the article he is the top unsigned junior college player, which indicates that he could possibly join the team this year, which would have to be the second semester. That would make more sense as to why Wojo is recruiting him.

tower912

Quote from: TheBurrEffect on October 28, 2014, 04:25:22 PM
what's with the JUCO hate? Crowder and DJO were the best players under Buzz and they both came from Juco.

No JUCO hate here.   I celebrate Buzz's success with them.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

GGGG

Quote from: bilsu on October 28, 2014, 05:10:41 PM
What is confusing to me is when he can actually come to MU. Common sense would be he is a recruit for next year. However, if you read the article he is the top unsigned junior college player, which indicates that he could possibly join the team this year, which would have to be the second semester. That would make more sense as to why Wojo is recruiting him.


He's the top *uncommitted* player for 2015.  I am pretty sure he was a non-qualifier so he wouldn't be able to come until next fall assuming he earns his associates degree.

willie warrior

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 28, 2014, 05:22:47 PM

He's the top *uncommitted* player for 2015.  I am pretty sure he was a non-qualifier so he wouldn't be able to come until next fall assuming he earns his associates degree.
No hate on JUCO's. Lots of big time players at MU came from JUCO's. Not sure about all of these:
Butler, DJO, Crowder, Mike Flory, Benny Moore, and even going back to Al, (I believe) Whitehead, Lackey, Tatum?, and likely several I missed.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

tower912

Quote from: willie warrior on October 28, 2014, 05:27:59 PM
No hate on JUCO's. Lots of big time players at MU came from JUCO's. Not sure about all of these:
Butler, DJO, Crowder, Mike Flory, Benny Moore, and even going back to Al, (I believe) Whitehead, Lackey, Tatum?, and likely several I missed.
Kinsella, Lott, Blackledge (after missing out on his teammate, Stemler).
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

willie warrior

Quote from: tower912 on October 28, 2014, 05:30:41 PM
Kinsella, Lott, Blackledge (after missing out on his teammate, Stemler).
Sorry, did not miss those, they were not studs.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

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tower912

Quote from: willie warrior on October 28, 2014, 05:37:08 PM
Sorry, did not miss those, they were not studs.

Nice guys, glad they were at MU, but you are correct.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

muwarrior69

Quote from: TheBurrEffect on October 28, 2014, 04:25:22 PM
what's with the JUCO hate? Crowder and DJO were the best players under Buzz and they both came from Juco.

IMO JFB was the best judo under Buzz.

GGGG

Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 28, 2014, 07:03:13 PM
IMO JFB was the best judo under Buzz.

Hmmmm...  I would for sure put Jae and JFB ahead of DJO.  But Jae was POY for the BE.  But we had JFB for three years.

I guess I agree with you.

source?


tower912

Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 28, 2014, 07:03:13 PM
IMO JFB was the best judo under Buzz.

Pretty sure that judo was under Crean....along with ATV's
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Golden Avalanche

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on October 28, 2014, 07:08:22 PM
Hmmmm...  I would for sure put Jae and JFB ahead of DJO.  But Jae was POY for the BE.  But we had JFB for three years.

I guess I agree with you.

I feel DJO was the better college player than Butler. He didn't have the hype train that benefitted Butler but considering he stepped in immediately and was pivotal every single one of his three years puts him over Butler in my boat. It's a battle with Crowder for me as to best JUCO under Buzz but that BE POY and Crowder's three week push at the end of that season likely puts him over the top.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Golden Avalanche on October 28, 2014, 07:47:44 PM
I feel DJO was the better college player than Butler. He didn't have the hype train that benefitted Butler but considering he stepped in immediately and was pivotal every single one of his three years puts him over Butler in my boat. It's a battle with Crowder for me as to best JUCO under Buzz but that BE POY and Crowder's three week push at the end of that season likely puts him over the top.

Hype train that benefitted Butler? He arrived with almost no fanfare (as opposed to DJO and Jae) and was pretty much under the radar until the last half of his senior year. He was the least hyped star at MU in a very long time.

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