Yo, Time For A New Tube, Y'all

[ChicosBailBonds]

We have several Samsung HD televisions at home, one is a LCD and one is a LED, though technically a LED is a LCD.  Never had any issue with the Samsung tv's.  At work, must have 1000 of them in the office dispersed in offices, lobby, etc, etc. No issues.

LED is a little thinner, uses less energy.  I'd go with LED over LCD.

4K will be offered by television providers likely in 2015.  Unless you are buying a really large screen, 4K probably not needed.  Its nice, but IMO only shows its true colors in very large TVs.  My two cents.  The prices will continue to drop, as well, but if you have the coin and price is not a major issue than certainly a consideration.  Just know that content is limited and even when tv distributors start to deliver it, the options will be limited because the file sizes are so large (bandwidth hogs).


Just make sure your new tv has at least three HDMI ports, many now come with four.  You're going to want some flexibility for multiple inputs.  Wireless WiFi built it in is fairly standard as well.

Samsung H7150 is a nice set at 65".  If you want something smaller, 46" costs about $1200.

Good luck

[DegenerateDish]

We have several Samsung HD televisions at home, one is a LCD and one is a LED, though technically a LED is a LCD.  Never had any issue with the Samsung tv's.  At work, must have 1000 of them in the office dispersed in offices, lobby, etc, etc. No issues.

LED is a little thinner, uses less energy.  I'd go with LED over LCD.

4K will be offered by television providers likely in 2015.  Unless you are buying a really large screen, 4K probably not needed.  Its nice, but IMO only shows its true colors in very large TVs.  My two cents.  The prices will continue to drop, as well, but if you have the coin and price is not a major issue than certainly a consideration.  Just know that content is limited and even when tv distributors start to deliver it, the options will be limited because the file sizes are so large (bandwidth hogs).


Just make sure your new tv has at least three HDMI ports, many now come with four.  You're going to want some flexibility for multiple inputs.  Wireless WiFi built it in is fairly standard as well.

Samsung H7150 is a nice set at 65".  If you want something smaller, 46" costs about $1200.

Good luck

Prices will not be dropping. They'll either stay flat or rise in Q4 and most of 2015.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Prices will not be dropping. They'll either stay flat or rise in Q4 and most of 2015.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-14/what-hardcore-pornography-can-teach-us-about-asset-bubbles

Price bubbles in everything. Get out the popcorn when it all comes down again.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Prices will not be dropping. They'll either stay flat or rise in Q4 and most of 2015.

Ok.  In my new job, working with Sony, Samsung, Roku, Apple, etc.  My Samsung guy says prices are dropping. 

[Benny B]

Prices will not be dropping. They'll either stay flat or rise in Q4 and most of 2015.

When you say "prices will not be dropping" are you saying a 2014 model is going to sell in 2015 for more than it did when originally released or that the 2015 models will sell for more than the 2014 models?

[ChicosBailBonds]

The 4K manufacturers are trying to goose their sales and have dropped prices dramatically.  The content distributors (cable, satellite, telco) don't want to invest in delivery of 4K unless consumers can afford to purchase the tv's, thus the critical mass we have.  Same thing happened with HD a number of years ago.

This is the bet that people are making and the relationships with the manufacturers are saying those sets will continue to come down in price to help seed the market.

[DegenerateDish]

Ok.  In my new job, working with Sony, Samsung, Roku, Apple, etc.  My Samsung guy says prices are dropping. 

That's because he's with Samsung.

[DegenerateDish]

When you say "prices will not be dropping" are you saying a 2014 model is going to sell in 2015 for more than it did when originally released or that the 2015 models will sell for more than the 2014 models?

Glass prices are going up for production starting in, most likely, early Q4. Big boys like Samsung and LG will fight it out with big box retail to absorb some of those costs, they always do. To the consumer, you may not see as many aggressive promo's around the holidays, I would expect consumer stays flat.

Bigger phones plus higher demand in notebooks/tablets=glass shortage.

[Coleman]

Glass prices are going up for production starting in, most likely, early Q4. Big boys like Samsung and LG will fight it out with big box retail to absorb some of those costs, they always do. To the consumer, you may not see as many aggressive promo's around the holidays, I would expect consumer stays flat.

Bigger phones plus higher demand in notebooks/tablets=glass shortage.

Phones use different types of glass than TVs. I doubt that 60" TVs use gorilla glass, although if they do I will stand corrected.

And rumor is that many phones will now start using sapphire crystal for their screens anyway.

[DegenerateDish]

Phones use different types of glass than TVs. I doubt that 60" TVs use gorilla glass, although if they do I will stand corrected.

And rumor is that many phones will now start using sapphire crystal for their screens anyway.

Yes, you are correct. Although some higher end products are using gorilla glass.

I should have re-phrased...factories are turning out glass production for phones/notebooks more than they are for TVs/displays. It 's demand at the factory level that is causing this.

[brandx]

Yes, you are correct. Although some higher end products are using gorilla glass.

I should have re-phrased...factories are turning out glass production for phones/notebooks more than they are for TVs/displays. It 's demand at the factory level that is causing this.

And as we get cheaper and flimsier laptops/tablets, demand for FRUs has risen big-time.

[mu03eng]

http://www.nature.com/news/graphene-the-quest-for-supercarbon-1.14193

In all seriousness, if you can get in on this new product, do it now...it will revolutionize TV, phone, and laptop/computer manufacturing.

Gorilla glass will be obsolete in 10 years

[Jay Bee]

Thought you'd be at the Home Run Hittin' Derby tonight, Chief?

It was pouring rain last night. Would have been dreadful.

I went in '85. Not there tonight. Hope the AL wins and my city makes a lot of money.

[4everwarriors]

Thought you'd be in Patterson's luxury box?

[77ncaachamps]

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[ChicosBailBonds]

That's because he's with Samsung.

Fair enough, but at the end of the day if they cut their margins to move sales, the prices will drop for the consumer...that's ultimately what I'm saying.  To the consumer, especially the avg Joe who has no idea how economics work or margins, costs, bill of materials, etc, he\she just cares what they are spending.

From what I understand, to move product they are going to keep slashing their prices.  Sony, in particular, got clobbered in sales of TV's last year and apparently is willing to discount heavily to win back market share, or so I'm told.

[77ncaachamps]

Or this:

Sharp 32" LC32LE451U, $219 minus $125 GC = net $94

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[ZiggysFryBoy]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-14/what-hardcore-pornography-can-teach-us-about-asset-bubbles

Price bubbles in everything. Get out the popcorn when it all comes down again.

I see what you did there.

[g0lden3agle]

As someone who works in the commercial display industry (for a mfg), I will say we can not make 4K displays fast enough. Company I work for has a 98" coming in October, already sold out. Consumer side will be year(s) behind, but 4K will not be a fad like 3D.

So everyone knows, all LED's are LCD's. LED is simply the backlighting.

55" is the sweet spot in consumer/commercial right now, it's what 46" was a year ago.

Panel prices are going to go up Q4 or Q1 2015, so would suggest buying now. Smart TV's are a waste of the $100-$200 upsell.

At what size is 4K really necessary?  Can the human eye even distinguish 4K from 1080p on a 50-60" screen from 6' away or so?  Same question as "is 1080p really necessary on my 5" handheld device?"

[Coleman]

Can the human eye even distinguish 4K from 1080p on a 50-60" screen from 6' away or so?  Same question as "is 1080p really necessary on my 5" handheld device?"

Probably not. And no, of course its not necessary.

But how else will electronics manufacturers sell anything if they don't have some new feature to push on Americans with money to burn?

[Spotcheck Billy]

Probably not. And no, of course its not necessary.

But how else will electronics manufacturers sell anything if they don't have some new feature to push on Americans with money to burn?

Exactly, every year its something else be it 240hz refresh rate or LED. Similar to Dolby ATMOS in the audio realm, the first gen home receivers are going to be mostly gimmicks rather than real implementation.

[ChicosBailBonds]

At what size is 4K really necessary?  Can the human eye even distinguish 4K from 1080p on a 50-60" screen from 6' away or so?  Same question as "is 1080p really necessary on my 5" handheld device?"

HD on your small device, your eye isn't going to catch the difference....totally agree with you.

However, I've seen 4K demo'd often, and yes the human eye can discern a noticeable difference between 4K and 1080p.  That said, in my opinion the benefits are more with the largest of the large screens.  Is it worth the money, in my view today it is not worth the premium. 

One of the benefits of 4K is overlaying other data.  For example, you could dedicate 3K of the bit rate to the picture and 1K to data and carve up the screen a bit.  This is tricky and has to be done at the streaming insertion level, but creative companies are working on this.   

[ChicosBailBonds]

Exactly, every year its something else be it 240hz refresh rate or LED. Similar to Dolby ATMOS in the audio realm, the first gen home receivers are going to be mostly gimmicks rather than real implementation.

Agree on 240hz, but disagree on LED a bit.  Depth of screen footprint is one reason, lower energy consumption as well as glare angle benefits.

ATMOS is an interesting question which I believe depends on your ability to discern audio....some folks are really good at it.  For me, doesn't matter, but I know people that can tell 128K bit compressed song on iTunes instantly vs one at a higher bit rate.  For those people, I suppose it makes a difference. 

[Spotcheck Billy]

LED was a bad example for gimmickry because it does have benefits but most people don't realize its just the backlighting is LED vs. fluorescent and think its an all new technology.

ATMOS for the home is being implemented without the system being able to discern the speaker location which most of today's systems are already capable of with Audyssey etc.. To avoid the lead time of designing new components by adding more processing power most makers are dumbing down the processing in order to add ATMOS. Best to wait for the 2nd generation or more.

Regarding 4K, my 1st question is what/how much programming material is available to watch in 4K? To this day there is not much even in 1080p. 

[DegenerateDish]

In the commercial space, the company I work for can't keep 4K in stock. Demand is huge in commercial space right now, can't even call it an early adopter life cycle.

4K is sweet, and yes, you can distinguish the difference between 1080 and 4K. As someone who doesn't care about the consumer space, I hope it's years until 4K takes over in consumer. It's one of the few true differentiators that exists right now between commercial/consumer that most people get (outside of LAN).

2x2 video walls will be obsolete soon thanks to 4K.