ESPN Insider? Big East final recruiting grades

[nathanziarek]

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/10908062/big-east-basketball-recruiting-class-grades

The Big East might not be college basketball's pre-eminent power conference anymore, but many of its programs are still recruiting at a very high level. Here are the final class rankings for the conference's 10 schools.

Georgetown Hoyas

John Thompson III has a highly talented incoming freshman class, led by a trio of ESPN 100 forwards. Isaac Copeland is a versatile forward full of upside. He continued to climb the rankings throughout his high school career. His combination of athleticism, skill and basketball acumen will give him a chance to develop into a star for the Hoyas, and he won't be the only incoming freshman to make an immediate impact. Paul White is a skilled and cerebral forward who will be well-utilized within the team's Princeton-style offense. L.J. Peak is a scoring swingman who brings elements of power and athleticism to the lineup. Three-star point guard Tre Campbell rounds out the class and solidifies Georgetown's backcourt depth.

[mu35577]

'Marquette: Steve Wojciechowski's first task upon arriving at Marquette was to recruit the team's returning players, which wasn't necessarily an easy task coming off both an underachieving season and the unexpected departure of former head coach Buzz Williams. While Wojciechowski succeeded in securing the return of a talented core, three of the four players who had signed with Marquette during the early signing period asked for, and received, their releases, with Ahmed Hill and Satchel Pierce both electing to follow Williams to Virginia Tech. That leaves this class incomplete. The lone holdover, ESPN 100 small forward Sandy Cohen, is still an important addition as a playmaking wing with good size on the perimeter. With multiple scholarships still left to use, Wojo is negotiating between three positions -- recruiting the little talent left available in the 2014 class, holding on to spots for potential transfers and starting early on the 2015 class.'

[EnderWiggen]

So, uh, what's our grade?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

No mention of Carlino. Sad.

[NersEllenson]

No mention of Carlino. Sad.

Considering we have an incumbent senior at the position who just logged 975 minutes as a Junior, not sure Carlino is relevant.  A 1 year rental is hardly a recruiting coup...especially when you have such an accomplished vet at the same position.

[wadesworld]

Considering we have an incumbent senior at the position who just logged 975 minutes as a Junior, not sure Carlino is relevant.  A 1 year rental is hardly a recruiting coup...especially when you have such an accomplished vet at the same position.

Par for the course.  Clueless and classless.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Considering we have an incumbent senior at the position who just logged 975 minutes as a Junior, not sure Carlino is relevant.  A 1 year rental is hardly a recruiting coup...especially when you have such an accomplished vet at the same position.

Ners, this is why people have trouble taking you seriously. This is nothing more than a potshot at one of our players. If you would stick to the stats and tone down the "conform or die" talk than you would have people actually listening to you.

[mileskishnish72]

A one-trick pony.

[tower912]

Considering we have an incumbent senior at the position who just logged 975 minutes as a Junior, not sure Carlino is relevant.  A 1 year rental is hardly a recruiting coup...especially when you have such an accomplished vet at the same position.

Seriously?    Sad.   

[The Lens]

Considering we have an incumbent senior at the position who just logged 975 minutes as a Junior, not sure Carlino is relevant.  A 1 year rental is hardly a recruiting coup...especially when you have such an accomplished vet at the same position.

But what if Carlino could come in and become Aaron Craft?

[Lennys Tap]

Considering we have an incumbent senior at the position who just logged 975 minutes as a Junior, not sure Carlino is relevant.  A 1 year rental is hardly a recruiting coup...especially when you have such an accomplished vet at the same position.

Glad to see that you're so bullish on Derrick. If you like I'll let you out of our bet for $475.

[NersEllenson]

Par for the course.  Clueless and classless.

Ners, this is why people have trouble taking you seriously. This is nothing more than a potshot at one of our players. If you would stick to the stats and tone down the "conform or die" talk than you would have people actually listening to you.

Seriously?    Sad.   

Knew I could tweak you guys...but...do you not find it at all ironic that you guys try to espouse that Derrick wasn't the main and primary reason why the team was so bad last year....yet our new coach goes out and gets a 1-year rental at the same position with an incumbent senior with Derrick's experience? 

[hoyasincebirth]

The grade for Marquette was I for incomplete.

[GGGG]

Knew I could tweak you guys...but...do you not find it at all ironic that you guys try to espouse that Derrick wasn't the main and primary reason why the team was so bad last year....yet our new coach goes out and gets a 1-year rental at the same position with an incumbent senior with Derrick's experience?  

"I was just kidding!!   Well, not really..."

Seriously dude, your inability to talk about anything else is ruining whatever reputation you built up on this board.

[Windyplayer]

Ners, I dig you and your passion for MU hoops, but it is time to move on. Let's put this one to bed.

[Lennys Tap]

Knew I could tweak you guys...but...do you not find it at all ironic that you guys try to espouse that Derrick wasn't the main and primary reason why the team was so bad last year....yet our new coach goes out and gets a 1-year rental at the same position with an incumbent senior with Derrick's experience? 

We had a guy last year (in your mind) who was ready to play 30 minutes a game in the Big East AS A FRESHMAN. The biggest leap in a college player's game is between his freshman and sophomore seasons. Yet the new coach still felt the need to go out and get a one year rental at his position. But...you don't find that at all ironic?

[MU82]

We had a guy last year (in your mind) who was ready to play 30 minutes a game in the Big East AS A FRESHMAN. The biggest leap in a college player's game is between his freshman and sophomore seasons.

Exactly.

That's why Ners fully expects Dawson to play 50 mpg this season!!

[TJ]

"I was just kidding!!   Well, not really..."

Seriously dude, your inability to talk about anything else is ruining whatever reputation you built up on this board.

Ruining???? 

More like Ruined.

[Niv Berkowitz]

Jesus Christ. More broken record from Ners. This board still infatuated w/DW. Solid. Will check back in a month/two.

[Class71]

Knew I could tweak you guys...but...do you not find it at all ironic that you guys try to espouse that Derrick wasn't the main and primary reason why the team was so bad last year....yet our new coach goes out and gets a 1-year rental at the same position with an incumbent senior with Derrick's experience? 

Point taken. Everyone's in agreement at this point that we needed a point guard. It is time to move on. Can we do that?

[wadesworld]

Knew I could tweak you guys...but...do you not find it at all ironic that you guys try to espouse that Derrick wasn't the main and primary reason why the team was so bad last year....yet our new coach goes out and gets a 1-year rental at the same position with an incumbent senior with Derrick's experience?  

Derrick was one of the many reasons we were bad. The only position that we were good enough to compete with the big boys was the 5 with Oxtule. At the 1-4 we were overmatched by just about every quality team.

Here's the problem. Everyone here accepts that Derrick would be a better backup PG than starter, so we are all very happy Wojo got Carlino. There's a thread that has to do with MU's recruiting class, which Derrick obviously is not a part of but Carlino is. Somehow you find it necessary to take yet another dig at a 20 year old who works his ass off and does the best he can at what he is asked to do. It's absolutely classless of you. There was absolutely zero reason to bring that into this discussion. Ridiculous.

You and your superior basketball knowledge like to talk about shooting percentages, particularly free throw and three point shooting percentages, as the reason that Dawson is better than Derrick. If that's what makes a player worthy of playing time and determines who is better, how is Steve Novak unable to find the court? The guy shoots 90% at the free throw line and is the player that Tracy McGrady, someone who has seen plenty of high level basketball, has gone on record to say is the best shooter ever. Why can't he find the court? He shoots better than (just about, at least) everybody in the NBA, but he can't crack a 9 man rotation in Canada. It's weird. Crazy. The coach must not have a clue.

You and your high level of basketball experience also love to point to one single game (Georgetown) to show Dawson is better and deserved more time than Derrick. Dawson had a great game and I'm glad we beat them and that he contributed how he did. He also played AWFUL in the majority of his minutes throughout the entire rest of the year. Let's play your fun game. When Derrick Wilson was a freshman we went into the Kohl Center and ON THE DAY OF THE GAME Derrick was told he would be starting. Jordan Taylor was a preseason All American and Wisconsin rarely EVER loses at home (I need to give the backstory because I don't think you are intelligent enough to understand on your own). In that game Jordan Taylor scored 13 points (most of which came in the desperate late game run and 5 of them at the FT line) with 2 assists to 5 turnovers. Do you think a junior year Junior Cadougan would've limited Taylor to those numbers? If Taylor has his average game we probably lose that game. So despite the fact that Derrick rarely played that year, we MUST conclude that Derrick as a freshman was better than Junior was his junior year, because the one game Derrick saw major minutes he played better than Cadougan. There's logic for ya!

Can't wait to see you tell everyone how stupid these arguments are. And why can't I wait? Because I AGREE! These arguments couldn't possibly be anymore dumb! And they're the exact arguments you try to make for Dawson playing more than Derrick. Clueless.

Everyone here wants Dawson to succeed, but most are intelligent enough to realize that despite not being great, Derrick was the best option at PG last year. You somehow openly root against and bash a 20 year old who plays for the school you say to be a fan of just so you can have fun on a message board. Awesome life man. Keep up the quality work.

[tower912]

"I was just kidding!!   Well, not really..."

Seriously dude, your inability to talk about anything else is ruining whatever reputation you built up on this board.

No, it is merely strengthening his reputation on this board.   His reputation is an obsessive one-note poster.  

[Dawson Rental]

"I was just kidding!!   Well, not really..."

Seriously dude, your inability to talk about anything else is ruining whatever reputation you built up on this board.

Ruining his reputation?  I see this as enhancing his reputation as the guy who perseverates on one topic ad nausem.

[humanlung]

Ruining his reputation?  I see this as enhancing his reputation as the guy who perseverates on one topic ad nausem.

Perseverates?  Dude, this is a family board.  Tone it down.   

[Wojo'sMojo]

We had a guy last year (in your mind) who was ready to play 30 minutes a game in the Big East AS A FRESHMAN. The biggest leap in a college player's game is between his freshman and sophomore seasons. Yet the new coach still felt the need to go out and get a one year rental at his position. But...you don't find that at all ironic?

I think bringing in Carlino speaks more towards how Wojo feels about Derrick, than it does about Dawson. If he felt comfortable with Derrick, why replace your senior leader who played over 30 min a game last year?