[PaintTouches]Marquette Year in Review: John Dawson

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Marquette Year in Review: John Dawson

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Source: Marquette Year in Review: John Dawson

[tower912]

His freshman season was a pleasant surprise for me.   I worried that he would not be able to contribute enough to be a solid back up, but I was wrong.   He was a solid back up at PG.   I am not surprised to see that according to the defensive matrices that PT uses, he was the team's worst defender.    I like his upside and think that he will contribute more going forward.   

[MU82]

Here's what I'm wondering: Do any of our regular posters think Dawson should have gotten Derrick's 30 mpg last season?

I seem to recall somebody mentioning that once or twice, but my memory is hazy ...

[swoopem]

Here's what I'm wondering: Do any of our regular posters think Dawson should have gotten Derrick's 30 mpg last season?

I seem to recall somebody mentioning that once or twice, but my memory is hazy ...

You must have Ners on ignore, eh?

[MU82]

You must have Ners on ignore, eh?

Ners ... Ners ... yeah, that rings a bell!

Nah, I don't have him on ignore. I was just funnin'!!

I actually agree with most of Ners' argument and admire the passion with which he makes it. He does wear me out, though!

[NersEllenson]

His freshman season was a pleasant surprise for me.   I worried that he would not be able to contribute enough to be a solid back up, but I was wrong.   He was a solid back up at PG.   I am not surprised to see that according to the defensive matrices that PT uses, he was the team's worst defender.    I like his upside and think that he will contribute more going forward.   

Ahh...did you see the nugget in there that he was 3rd best defender when measured on points per possession after Derrick and Jake....

He was foul prone, however, which in my view will be his biggest area for improvement..picked up some real tick tack fouls.

[bilsu]

His freshman season was a pleasant surprise for me.   I worried that he would not be able to contribute enough to be a solid back up, but I was wrong.   He was a solid back up at PG.   I am not surprised to see that according to the defensive matrices that PT uses, he was the team's worst defender.    I like his upside and think that he will contribute more going forward.   

He probably would of hardly played if Duane had not got hurt. You never know what a player can do until he gets a chance. Ferguson never got the chance, so I will interested to see how he will do this year at his new school.  A backcourt of Duane Wilson and Ferguson would of be one of the quickest backcourts in the country this year.

[Sunbelt15]

He probably would of hardly played if Duane had not got hurt. You never know what a player can do until he gets a chance. Ferguson never got the chance, so I will interested to see how he will do this year at his new school.  A backcourt of Duane Wilson and Ferguson would of be one of the quickest backcourts in the country this year.

+1

[keefe]

This man stands in good with me. He is from Tierra del Encanto. My only question for him is red or green?

Unleash John Dawson!

[Nevada233]

This man stands in good with me. He is from Tierra del Encanto. My only question for him is red or green?

Unleash John Dawson!

+1

[Lennys Tap]

Ahh...did you see the nugget in there that he was 3rd best defender when measured on points per possession after Derrick and Jake....

You could find one kernel of corn in Dawson's crap and say "mmmm, succotash!" Offensively, he was a bad three point shooter, a really bad two point shooter and a bad ball handler. He also had the WORST defensive rating of anyone on the team. Three steals in 245 minutes from a perimeter player? Really? A foul nearly every six minutes? Seriously? Like Jamail Jones and Jamal Ferguson, he had "moments" but overall he was bad. I haven't given up on him. He has size for his position, is a pretty good athlete and has nice shooting form (good though infrequent free throw shooter). Prior to last year he had very little experience against top flight competition so he should improve greatly this year and next. But he wasn't ready last year - he was not as good a backup last year as Derrick was his freshman and sophomore seasons. He was all we had to back up at the point (Jamil and Todd were total disasters) but he was an inadequate back up nonetheless.

[GGGG]

He probably would of hardly played if Duane had not got hurt. You never know what a player can do until he gets a chance. Ferguson never got the chance, so I will interested to see how he will do this year at his new school.  A backcourt of Duane Wilson and Ferguson would of be one of the quickest backcourts in the country this year.

Something tells me we aren't going to be longing for the days of Jamal Ferguson.

[tower912]

You could find one kernel of corn in Dawson's crap and say "mmmm, succotash!" Offensively, he was a bad three point shooter, a really bad two point shooter and a bad ball handler. He also had the WORST defensive rating of anyone on the team. Three steals in 245 minutes from a perimeter player? Really? A foul nearly every six minutes? Seriously? Like Jamail Jones and Jamal Ferguson, he had "moments" but overall he was bad. I haven't given up on him. He has size for his position, is a pretty good athlete and has nice shooting form (good though infrequent free throw shooter). Prior to last year he had very little experience against top flight competition so he should improve greatly this year and next. But he wasn't ready last year - he was not as good a backup last year as Derrick was his freshman and sophomore seasons. He was all we had to back up at the point (Jamil and Todd were total disasters) but he was an inadequate back up nonetheless.

You forgot about only having 1 offensive rebound all season.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/stats/team/2013/marquette-golden-eagles/

[Wojo'sMojo]

You could find one kernel of corn in Dawson's crap and say "mmmm, succotash!" Offensively, he was a bad three point shooter, a really bad two point shooter and a bad ball handler. He also had the WORST defensive rating of anyone on the team. Three steals in 245 minutes from a perimeter player? Really? A foul nearly every six minutes? Seriously? Like Jamail Jones and Jamal Ferguson, he had "moments" but overall he was bad. I haven't given up on him. He has size for his position, is a pretty good athlete and has nice shooting form (good though infrequent free throw shooter). Prior to last year he had very little experience against top flight competition so he should improve greatly this year and next. But he wasn't ready last year - he was not as good a backup last year as Derrick was his freshman and sophomore seasons. He was all we had to back up at the point (Jamil and Todd were total disasters) but he was an inadequate back up nonetheless.

He shot 27% from 3...Derrick shot 7%. I don't understand why you are trying to say he isn't a good shooter, when the guy playing in front of him is afraid to shoot and an even worse shooter by far? Here is a shooting stat for you, Derrick Wilson is 2-23 on 3point fg's in his career... In 1,736 career minutes he has two made 3's! How in the hell is that even possible  He was also just as good as Derrick was as a backup his freshman year, check the stats.

[NersEllenson]

You could find one kernel of corn in Dawson's crap and say "mmmm, succotash!" Offensively, he was a bad three point shooter, a really bad two point shooter and a bad ball handler. He also had the WORST defensive rating of anyone on the team. Three steals in 245 minutes from a perimeter player? Really? A foul nearly every six minutes? Seriously? Like Jamail Jones and Jamal Ferguson, he had "moments" but overall he was bad. I haven't given up on him. He has size for his position, is a pretty good athlete and has nice shooting form (good though infrequent free throw shooter). Prior to last year he had very little experience against top flight competition so he should improve greatly this year and next. But he wasn't ready last year - he was not as good a backup last year as Derrick was his freshman and sophomore seasons. He was all we had to back up at the point (Jamil and Todd were total disasters) but he was an inadequate back up nonetheless.

LOL - Check Derrick's fouls per minute as a freshman..even higher rate.  And a bad 3 point shooter...compared to your guy??!  Dawson tripled Derrick's career makes this past season by making 7 for the year in spotty action and shot the 3 at 4 times better percentage than Derrick...and do we even have to mention FT percentages?

Of course Dawson has room to improve...a lot...and he will...ceiling is much higher than Derrick's ever will be.  Love your conclusion though that he was an inadequate back up - he basically won us a game in OT on the road against the Big East best guard tandem...wasn't over his head at all in that game...what was different about that game than any other Dawson played??  Buzz actually let him play through a few mistakes, get into a rhythm..and eventually the talent comes to the top.  Much like Mayo looked like a completely different player the last 10 games of the season...as that was the first time in Todd's career Buzz didn't yank him after 1, maybe 2 "mistakes."

[Lennys Tap]

Of course Dawson has room to improve...a lot...and he will...ceiling is much higher than Derrick's ever will be.  Love your conclusion though that he was an inadequate back up - he basically won us a game in OT on the road against the Big East best guard tandem...wasn't over his head at all in that game...what was different about that game than any other Dawson played??  Buzz actually let him play through a few mistakes, get into a rhythm..and eventually the talent comes to the top.  Much like Mayo looked like a completely different player the last 10 games of the season...as that was the first time in Todd's career Buzz didn't yank him after 1, maybe 2 "mistakes."

Was Dawson a better back up than Derrick as a freshman? No way. He had a solid game against a passive Georgetown zone but that pales in comparison to starting, shutting down an All American and leading your team to a major upset over a top 10 team in a house of horrors like the Kohl Center. And Derrick had many performances better than whatever was John's second best - and not nearly as many totally head scratching clunkers.

As for Mayo, he played more minutes as a freshman than any frosh in the Buzz Era (over 21 mpg). Guess he never made a mistake - LOL.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Was Dawson a better back up than Derrick as a freshman? No way. He had a solid game against a passive Georgetown zone but that pales in comparison to starting, shutting down an All American and leading your team to a major upset over a top 10 team in a house of horrors like the Kohl Center. And Derrick had many performances better than whatever was John's second best - and not nearly as many totally head scratching clunkers.

As for Mayo, he played more minutes as a freshman than any frosh in the Buzz Era (over 21 mpg). Guess he never made a mistake - LOL.

Get a grip...Derrick was not better than Dawson freshman year. If anything they could be considered equal. Derrick's freshman stats :

MPG  8.8
PPG  0.6
RPG  1.1
APG  0.7
SPG  0.6
BPG  0.0
TPG  0.3
FG% 37
FT% 47
3pt% 0

Dawson's freshman stats :

MPG 10.2
PPG  2.0
RPG  1.1
APG  1.0
SPG  0.1
BPG  0.0
TPG  0.7
FG% 32
FT% 82
3pt% 27

Looking at these stats, you still think Derrick had a superior freshman year?

[brandx]

Was Dawson a better back up than Derrick as a freshman? No way. He had a solid game against a passive Georgetown zone but that pales in comparison to starting, shutting down an All American and leading your team to a major upset over a top 10 team in a house of horrors like the Kohl Center. And Derrick had many performances better than whatever was John's second best - and not nearly as many totally head scratching clunkers.

As for Mayo, he played more minutes as a freshman than any frosh in the Buzz Era (over 21 mpg). Guess he never made a mistake - LOL.

Agreed. DW was much better backup as freshman than Dawson. His job was to play good defense on an opposing PG when he came in and he did it well.

[brandx]

Get a grip...Derrick was not better than Dawson freshman year. If anything they could be considered equal. Derrick's freshman stats :

MPG  8.8
PPG  0.6
RPG  1.1
APG  0.7
SPG  0.6
BPG  0.0
TPG  0.3
FG% 37
FT% 47
3pt% 0

Dawson's freshman stats :

MPG 10.2
PPG  2.0
RPG  1.1
APG  1.0
SPG  0.1
BPG  0.0
TPG  0.7
FG% 32
FT% 82
3pt% 27

Looking at these stats, you still think Derrick had a superior freshman year?

Absolutely. Stats can lie.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Absolutely. Stats can lie.

So then we are using the eye test? Well if that's the case, Dawson wins by a landslide!!!

[GGGG]

First of all, the stats don't show that Dawson was the better player.  Yeah he scored more and had more TFs.  But Derrick turned the ball over less and had more steals. 

Second, you have to understand the role that Derrick was asked to play...and he did it very well.

[Lennys Tap]

So then we are using the eye test? Well if that's the case, Dawson wins by a landslide!!!

To the untrained eye.

[NersEllenson]

Was Dawson a better back up than Derrick as a freshman? No way. He had a solid game against a passive Georgetown zone but that pales in comparison to starting, shutting down an All American and leading your team to a major upset over a top 10 team in a house of horrors like the Kohl Center. And Derrick had many performances better than whatever was John's second best - and not nearly as many totally head scratching clunkers.

As for Mayo, he played more minutes as a freshman than any frosh in the Buzz Era (over 21 mpg). Guess he never made a mistake - LOL.

Wow...you sure do die hard on your beliefs, even when all data suggests otherwise.  Head scratching clunkers for Dawson..when his playing time varied wildly from DNP to generally 8-10 minutes a game broken up into 3 segments of playing time?  As for head scratching clunkers - I watched a guy play 32 minutes a game..some games 40...and do virtually NOTHING all game...all season long..while leading the team to a brilliant 17-15 record, with no wins over Top 25 teams, and just 2 wins over Top 50 teams....both your guys - Buzz and Derrick are the central reasons why we were so awful.

[GGGG]

Wow...you sure do die hard on your beliefs, even when all data suggests otherwise.  Head scratching clunkers for Dawson..when his playing time varied wildly from DNP to generally 8-10 minutes a game broken up into 3 segments of playing time?  As for head scratching clunkers - I watched a guy play 32 minutes a game..some games 40...and do virtually NOTHING all game...all season long..while leading the team to a brilliant 17-15 record, with no wins over Top 25 teams, and just 2 wins over Top 50 teams....both your guys - Buzz and Derrick are the central reasons why we were so awful.

Do you have all these talking points saved in some sort of keyboard macro?  I just can't imagine typing the same thing over and over every...single....time.

[g0lden3agle]

Do you have all these talking points saved in some sort of keyboard macro?  I just can't imagine typing the same thing over and over every...single....time.

Ners is actually just one of those old AIM chatbots that has prescribed replies to the messages you send him.