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How many minutes do you want Derrick to play next year

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Wojo'sMojo


willie warrior

 I think Sultan believes that Derrick will be elite.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

Wojo'sMojo

Quote from: willie warrior on April 30, 2014, 07:23:29 PM
I think Sultan believes that Derrick will be elite.

Absolutely he does...if he was the Bucks GM, he might've made him the first pick in the draft.

Dawson Rental

Quote from: willie warrior on April 30, 2014, 07:23:29 PM
I think Sultan believes that Derrick will be elite.

Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on April 30, 2014, 07:25:17 PM
Absolutely he does...if he was the Bucks GM, he might've made him the first pick in the draft.

You silly people, you.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

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No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

We R Final Four

As much as you don't like it Wojo is a 'defense creates offense' guy. So......until someone steps up and plays some D first at point you may see more of him than either of you want.
I hope that others can step it up and raise the bar, but until that time D comes first.

Wojo'sMojo

Quote from: We R Final Four on April 30, 2014, 07:44:04 PM
As much as you don't like it Wojo is a 'defense creates offense' guy. So......until someone steps up and plays some D first at point you may see more of him than either of you want.
I hope that others can step it up and raise the bar, but until that time D comes first.

That's a great theory, but when your PG can't hit a layup after a steal, it doesn't really matter how good at defense he is...and he's not really all that.

We R Final Four

Yeah-- we've all seen his game. But if his D is stronger than others he will play more than you want. Might want to let Wojo know you got it handled.

Wojo'sMojo

Quote from: We R Final Four on April 30, 2014, 07:58:26 PM
Yeah-- we've all seen his game. But if his D is stronger than others he will play more than you want. Might want to let Wojo know you got it handled.

You don't know that...you are making assumptions(as am I.) You have no idea whose is going to be a good defender next year and if Duane or Dawson are equally good on the defensive end. We know for a fact they will be better on the offensive end  ;)

We R Final Four

No sheet--no one can be worse.....BUT if their D isn't as strong.....again DWill may just get more than the 0 minutes you hope for.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on April 30, 2014, 08:05:25 PM
You don't know that...you are making assumptions(as am I.) You have no idea whose is going to be a good defender next year and if Duane or Dawson are equally good on the defensive end. We know for a fact they will be better on the offensive end  ;)

We have no idea if Dawson is as good on the defensive end as Derrick? I know you absolutely hate Derrick but c'mon.

Wojo'sMojo

Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 30, 2014, 08:14:06 PM
We have no idea if Dawson is as good on the defensive end as Derrick? I know you absolutely hate Derrick but c'mon.

I'm saying with an offseason and practice time, Dawson could be vastly improved on the defensive end. Nobody knows yet. Along the same lines, Derrick could turn into an offensive juggernaut this offseason  ;D

chapman

The 0, 2-4, and 17-30 people are all wrong.

warriorchick

There's no button for "however many minutes that Wojo feels is appropriate."
Have some patience, FFS.

tower912

Eleven scholarships.   I am pleased Sandy is coming but I do not expect him to play much next season.   Once Luke is eligible, I see 80 minutes divided between Luke, STjr, Deonte and Juan up front.  This leaves 120 minutes to split between Matt, Mayo, JJJ, Duane, Derrick, and Dawson.  I predict a lot of interchangeability, with Matt, Duane, and Dawson all seeing minutes at more than one position.  Mayo and JJJ are strictly SG's, Derrick is strictly a PG.   With MU's lack of size, the on-ball pressure is going to be vital.   If Wojo extends the pressure, I have no problem seeing Derrick getting around 18-20 mpg.  I can also picture sets where, with his strength, he is guarding a much bigger player.   It's all speculation, and I realize I may be completely wrong, but right now it is all we have.  
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We R Final Four

Quote from: warriorchick on April 30, 2014, 08:28:45 PM
There's no button for "however many minutes that Wojo feels is appropriate."
That's absurd. Mojo knows the only answer can be zero minutes.

MUSF

I'll admit that I voted 17-30 mins. I think it will be closer to 17 than 30, but I think he will get a significant amount of PT.

He is a very solid defender
He rarely makes big mistakes on either end of the floor
He has alot of experience
His offense can only improve

jesmu84

Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on April 30, 2014, 08:21:04 PM
I'm saying with an offseason and practice time, Dawson could be vastly improved on the defensive end. Nobody knows yet. Along the same lines, Derrick could turn into an offensive juggernaut this offseason  ;D

As I've read multiple places on this site, you can only get meaningful improvement in games.

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MUCam

Quote from: MUSF on April 30, 2014, 09:13:09 PM
I'll admit that I voted 17-30 mins. I think it will be closer to 17 than 30, but I think he will get a significant amount of PT.

He is a very solid defender
He rarely makes big mistakes on either end of the floor
He has alot of experience
His offense can only improve

Agreed. I expect around 20 for better or worse. I am also a firm believer in the senior bump players get as they enter that last year. Whether it is finality or experience, seniors tend to rise to the occasion. I expect Derrick to enjoy some of that bump and maybe even surprise a few people.

Sadly, that theory was excepted last year.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: MUCam on April 30, 2014, 09:33:27 PM
Agreed. I expect around 20 for better or worse. I am also a firm believer in the senior bump players get as they enter that last year. Whether it is finality or experience, seniors tend to rise to the occasion. I expect Derrick to enjoy some of that bump and maybe even surprise a few people.

Sadly, that theory was excepted last year.

Derrick Wilson might play more minutes at the point next year than John Dawson? Wow! What kind of odds would Vegas have given on Marquette having back to back coaches who either intentionally throw games or don't know as much about basketball as Ners and his minions?

NersEllenson

It is beyond head scratching at this point in the poll 15 people WANT Derrick to play 17-30 minutes a game...did people not get nauseated enough last season seeing us flounder to a 17-15 record with ZERO wins over Top 25 teams?

I'll be shocked if Derrick averages more than 10 a game given that Carlino is in the fold, and Duane and Dawson will be one more year experienced and had an off season of workouts to go through...and it is the off season where major improvement can occur...not so much during the season during practice as very little time is spent on individual skill improvement during the season.
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Celtic Truth

I think that Derrick will play better this year because he will be put into a role where he belongs, as a backup pg. He is not meant to play 30+ minutes like he did last year, and we all know Buzz was obsessed with him and he gave him all the minutes he could handle. Derrick did all he could and I truly believe he tried really hard but the fact is he was in over his head and he simply is not good enough to be playing 30+ minutes a game. I think with Carlino, Duane, and Dawson to split time with at both guard positions he will fit into the roll as a STEADY, RELIABLE BACKUP. I think he will be a solid backup because he won't be expected to lead the team to victory.

He will also play better in lineups where he doesn't need to score because clearly that's his weakness. Our offense was a disaster last year when we played a lineup that included Juan, Otule, Jake, and Derrick because they all have offensive weaknesses. But I think that Derrick can play solid if he is in a scoring lineup with say Carlino, Todd, Deonte, and STJ. With this lineup he will be relied on to play defense, handle the ball, and pass. These are his strengths and the other guys will take care of the scoring. I hope to see him playing around 10 solid minutes a game next year.

The Truth

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Quote from: Celtic Truth on May 01, 2014, 12:50:22 AM
I think that Derrick will play better this year because he will be put into a role where he belongs, as a backup pg. He is not meant to play 30+ minutes like he did last year, and we all know Buzz was obsessed with him and he gave him all the minutes he could handle. Derrick did all he could and I truly believe he tried really hard but the fact is he was in over his head and he simply is not good enough to be playing 30+ minutes a game. I think with Carlino, Duane, and Dawson to split time with at both guard positions he will fit into the roll as a STEADY, RELIABLE BACKUP. I think he will be a solid backup because he won't be expected to lead the team to victory.

He will also play better in lineups where he doesn't need to score because clearly that's his weakness. Our offense was a disaster last year when we played a lineup that included Juan, Otule, Jake, and Derrick because they all have offensive weaknesses. But I think that Derrick can play solid if he is in a scoring lineup with say Carlino, Todd, Deonte, and STJ. With this lineup he will be relied on to play defense, handle the ball, and pass. These are his strengths and the other guys will take care of the scoring. I hope to see him playing around 10 solid minutes a game next year.

The Truth
Ditto

willie warrior

Quote from: Wojo'sMojo on April 30, 2014, 07:53:19 PM
That's a great theory, but when your PG can't hit a layup after a steal, it doesn't really matter how good at defense he is...and he's not really all that.
Derrick is a better than average defender--but not great or "elite". And we all know about his offensive prowess. So where does the line get drawn on this? I would go with an average defender who can score 10 plus a game.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

willie warrior

Quote from: MUSF on April 30, 2014, 09:13:09 PM
I'll admit that I voted 17-30 mins. I think it will be closer to 17 than 30, but I think he will get a significant amount of PT.

He is a very solid defender
He rarely makes big mistakes on either end of the floor
He has alot of experience
His offense can only improve
What evidence is there that his offense can only improve? And offense improving can be said about several others on the team.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

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