Doc and the Clips

[ChicosBailBonds]

Adminstrators please kill this thread. I am getting highly offended!!

Why, because so many people have shown you 30 years worth of actions by Sterling and you want to keep sticking to your theory that no one knew about it?   That is offensive.  I'm glad Baron Davis stated the obvious last night, as did several other former Clippers and current NBA players on other teams. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Lol. There is official court documents and plenty of main stream news articles showing in detail how how he is a racist. The players would have to be idiots to not even hear things from teammates how racist the owner acts.

Of course and for someone not to know these things who works in that organization, is crazy.  You just wait for some of the additional stories that will come out in the next few days.  David Stern will take some considerable heat over the course of the next week to 10 days as will some of Sterling's fellow owners.

[79Warrior]

Ok so what are you getting at?? That black players are dumb enough to wanna go play for a KNOWN racist??

No way any of the current clipper players and Doc knew that this man was a racist!

There is no question Sterling is a scumbag. He has been sued numerous times for discrimination in the apartment buildings he owns. Everyone in the NBA knows he is a schmuck. I do agree with your general comment that the players and Doc did not know he is a "racist". Being a complete shi#head of an owner is not the same as being a bigot. Doc and the players knew Sterling is odd. I don't think anyone saw this coming.

[avid1010]

Why, because so many people have shown you 30 years worth of actions by Sterling and you want to keep sticking to your theory that no one knew about it?   That is offensive.  I'm glad Baron Davis stated the obvious last night, as did several other former Clippers and current NBA players on other teams. 

you keep dodging my point.  i'd be 90% sure doc new about his past, not arguing that.  you stated that doc turned a blind eye to it for more money.  i think that's complete BS.

you think doc should refuse to take sterling's $$$...i don't think anyone needs to suggest anything to doc on how to handle racism.  

[ThatDude]

Why, because so many people have shown you 30 years worth of actions by Sterling and you want to keep sticking to your theory that no one knew about it?   That is offensive.  I'm glad Baron Davis stated the obvious last night, as did several other former Clippers and current NBA players on other teams.  

You are insinuating that the current players are stupid/ignorant for playing for a known racist. What other reason could you possibly have to give us that information?

[GGGG]

There is no question Sterling is a scumbag. He has been sued numerous times for discrimination in the apartment buildings he owns. Everyone in the NBA knows he is a schmuck. I do agree with your general comment that the players and Doc did not know he is a "racist". Being a complete shi#head of an owner is not the same as being a bigot. Doc and the players knew Sterling is odd. I don't think anyone saw this coming.

If they didn't know, they were completely ignorant of what their cohorts in the league said about him.  I don't believe that.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Didn't Doc's house get burned down when he was in San Antonio cause people approve of his wife being white?  I think that's what he's referring to.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/rivers-burns-article-1.776410

[ThatDude]

There is no question Sterling is a scumbag. He has been sued numerous times for discrimination in the apartment buildings he owns. Everyone in the NBA knows he is a schmuck. I do agree with your general comment that the players and Doc did not know he is a "racist". Being a complete shi#head of an owner is not the same as being a bigot. Doc and the players knew Sterling is odd. I don't think anyone saw this coming.

+10000

[GGGG]

You are insinuating that the current players are stupid/ignorant for playing for known racist. What other reason could you possibly have to give us that information?

Hold on.  You are the one making the judgement that they are "stupid" or "ignorant."  

There are all sorts of reasons those players chose to play for Sterling's team...

...they didn't care what he said
...they got to know him and didn't think his past actions truly reflected who he is
...they wanted a paycheck and were willing to put up with it

But to claim they didn't know is pretty far fetched considering his past and how inter-connected the NBA is.

[ThatDude]

Hold on.  You are the one making the judgement that they are "stupid" or "ignorant."  

There are all sorts of reasons those players chose to play for Sterling's team...

...they didn't care what he said
...they got to know him and didn't think his past actions truly reflected who he is
...they wanted a paycheck and were willing to put up with it

But to claim they didn't know is pretty far fetched considering his past and how inter-connected the NBA is.

We have too much pride to work for a known racist. Dont care how much money someone has to offer.

Once again, had CP3, Doc and others KNOWN Sterling didnt like Black people then they wouldnt have signed a contract to play there!

[GGGG]

We have too much pride to work for a known racist.

Black people...white people...mixed race people....

Many in all racial groups have worked for known racists before.  You are sadly mistaken if you think otherwise.

[ChicosBailBonds]

You are insinuating that the current players are stupid/ignorant for playing for a known racist. What other reason could you possibly have to give us that information?

smh  

Can you tell me why Baron Davis, a former member of the Clippers just a few years ago would say what he did last night?  Or former Clipper Shaun Livingston?  Or current players about Sterling's ways?  Or former GM Elgin Baylor?  Or Phil Jackson?  Can you tell me how they would know these things and claim they have been going on for decades and current members of the Clippers wouldn't?  To grasp what you are saying, players on the New Orleans Pelicans, Miami Heat and Washington Wizards, among others, knew about Sterling but the very players and coaches on the Clippers didn't (even though former Clipper players like Davis and Livingston did and have only been off the team a few years).  

I'm not going to play your game.  You can ignore the lawsuits, news stories, comments from current and former players as you wish.  I give people a bit more credit than you are...I think these guys are very smart, not ignorant at all.  Quite frankly, in an ironic twist, you are the one that is claiming they are ignorant but I'm not sure you even see that.  Whatever

Peace

[ThatDude]

Black people...white people...mixed race people....

Many in all racial groups have worked for known racists before.  You are sadly mistaken if you think otherwise.

Im speaking from an African American's perspective.  Considering the history with whites and blacks...man dont get me started

Admins PLEASE shut this thread down!!

[ThatDude]

smh  

Can you tell me why Baron Davis, a former member of the Clippers just a few years ago would say what he did last night?  Or former Clipper Shaun Livingston?  Or current players about Sterling's ways?  Or former GM Elgin Baylor?  Or Phil Jackson?  Can you tell me how they would know these things and claim they have been going on for decades and current members of the Clippers wouldn't?  To grasp what you are saying, players on the New Orleans Pelicans, Miami Heat and Washington Wizards, among others, knew about Sterling but the very players and coaches on the Clippers didn't (even though former Clipper players like Davis and Livingston did and have only been off the team a few years).  

I'm not going to play your game.  You can ignore the lawsuits, news stories, comments from current and former players as you wish.  I give people a bit more credit than you are...I think these guys are very smart, not ignorant at all.  Quite frankly, in an ironic twist, you are the one that is claiming they are ignorant but I'm not sure you even see that.  Whatever

Peace

Ok guy

[jesmu84]

Got to be a troll. right?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Black people...white people...mixed race people....

Many in all racial groups have worked for known racists before.  You are sadly mistaken if you think otherwise.

Of course.  Look at the players that played for Adolph Rupp, they knew about Rupp.  Look at racist comments that Reverend Jackson has made over the years, yet there are still folks working for him.  

You are exactly correct.  Some people just don't want to admit it.  I certainly understand ThatDude's response to this, but just think he is wrong.

To follow ThatDude's logic, if this is truly the first time that players or coaches knew this about Sterling, then if Sterling still owns the team after this no one will sign a free agent contract to play for his team as long as he owns it.  Current players will demand trades, or resign their positions, etc.   That's the only logical conclusion "now that we finally  know".  I actually hope some players and\or Doc do just that, help force Sterling's hand, but if he doesn't sell the team and is still in control, I have no doubt there will continue to be players signing free agent contracts to play for the Clippers because it is an opportunity to play in the NBA.

[Lennys Tap]

Anthony Morrow of the New Orleans Pelicans tweeted "He's had multiple complaints against him over the last 20 years, but it took this To happen for them to "influence" him to sell the team"

"Multiple" complaints over the last 20 years. When I read that I assume several. But in your world Morrow might very well be saying Sterling has had only 2 complaints against him in 20 years. That's very different. LOL

[ChicosBailBonds]

Ok guy

I asked fair questions.  Why would they know, but no one else did?

[ChicosBailBonds]

"Multiple" complaints over the last 20 years. When I read that I assume several. But in your world Morrow might very well be saying Sterling has had only 2 complaints against him in 20 years. That's very different. LOL

Well played.  I would think for this type of accusation, 1 would be enough, two would be plenty.      

[ThatDude]

I asked fair questions.  Why would they know, but no one else did?

They heard. Likely a rumor to them.  Many people dont believe rumors unless they see it for themselves.

[ChicosBailBonds]

you keep dodging my point.  i'd be 90% sure doc new about his past, not arguing that.  you stated that doc turned a blind eye to it for more money.  i think that's complete BS.

you think doc should refuse to take sterling's $$$...i don't think anyone needs to suggest anything to doc on how to handle racism.  

How am I dodging it..I agreed with your comments earlier.  There are limited opportunities out there, especially in pro sports.

Using your words, if you are 90% sure Doc knew about Sterling's past and yet Doc is the coach there, why is that the case?  ThatDude says that could never happen.  You're 90% sure he knew.  In my view, limited opportunities out there, money is good, you can hold your nose, etc, etc.  I'm not going to ignore what Phil Jackson, Baron Davis, Elgin Baylor, Shaun Livingston and others have said....they knew, some still worked there despite knowing.

Fair enough of on your second point, but I'd like to see Sterling out of the league and think a gesture like that or a resign or else approach would help get Sterling out.  My two cents.  I want Doc to come out on top in this and I'd love to see Sterling gone. 

[martyconlonontherun]

They heard. Likely a rumor to them.  Many people dont believe rumors unless they see it for themselves.

If you heard "rumors" about your boss being sued for being a racist, would you turn a blind eye or would you be like "hmmm maybe this guy is a POS and I should do a quick Google search to find out the truth behind it?"


Also, I don't get why this thread is bad. Everyone here agrees Sterling is a POS and hopes this is the straw that finally breaks the camel's back.

[avid1010]

i'd love to see sterling suspended for the remainder of the year, the clippers win it all, and then doc puts an ultimatum that either he goes or sterling goes. 

i think the only fair response is the one that doc gave today regarding fans not wanting to attend the games.  he said he'd like to see them there...but everyone has to decide how to handle this on their own.  there's no way doc hadn't heard about elgin baylor's lawsuite or baron davis' comments.  my guess is the vast majority of owners are a$$holes, and doc just figured he'd take the racist prick's money and coach a good team.  when this blows up, that situation becomes much more difficult. 

that said, an interesting thread. amazing to essentially watch democrats and republicans on this thread throw out evidence of racist comments from politicians and other high profile people in both parties.  probably a good example that racism is far from an afterthought.  hate it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

i'd love to see sterling suspended for the remainder of the year, the clippers win it all, and then doc puts an ultimatum that either he goes or sterling goes. 

i think the only fair response is the one that doc gave today regarding fans not wanting to attend the games.  he said he'd like to see them there...but everyone has to decide how to handle this on their own.  there's no way doc hadn't heard about elgin baylor's lawsuite or baron davis' comments.  my guess is the vast majority of owners are a$$holes, and doc just figured he'd take the racist prick's money and coach a good team.  when this blows up, that situation becomes much more difficult. 

that said, an interesting thread. amazing to essentially watch democrats and republicans on this thread throw out evidence of racist comments from politicians and other high profile people in both parties.  probably a good example that racism is far from an afterthought.  hate it.

Good post.   I'd only add that racism certainly still exists at some levels, but it also isn't exclusive to one race either.  It is wrong, regardless of who does it.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

When I first started working at TAMU, I was extended the opportunity to head up a special project within my department. I was ecstatic because it was the type of project that they usually wouldn't entrust to someone in their first year. I was eager to accept. Before I could, one of my veteran coworkers warned me about accepting. He told me the supervisor of the project was controlling, manipulative, and frequently sexually harassed her male employees. I was skeptical but I heard from multiple sources that several complaints had been brought against her, all for the same thing.

I accepted the project. Why? Because even though I knew about this supervisor, I thought I could live with it. I didn't think it would be that bad. It ended up being that bad. Working with that supervisor was a nightmare, still is. I had to bring my own complaints against her. (Still has her job with no ramifications other than being chewed out by her boss. Wonder if I would have been given the same treatment if I had done the same thing to a female employee? But that's another topic).

It's obviously a different situation but I think it is a common human phenomenon to think things won't be as bad as others tell us they will be. It takes actually living through it ourselves to understand. You don't believe the stove is hot just because your mom said so, you have to touch it yourself.

So I don't think the players and Doc turned a blind eye for the money. But they absolutely knew about it.

The NAACP award and the thing with the democrats though, that's ALL about the money. Shameless.