Doc and the Clips

[avid1010]

 Players and coaches....Sterling's money is green just like everyone else's.  They all know, they just turn a blind eye for the $$.

so the players and doc couldn't have made just as much money playing for a different team? 

[ChicosBailBonds]

so the players and doc couldn't have made just as much money playing for a different team? 

Of course, if a position or opportunity was open...which in most cases they were open, but they chose to go to the Clippers.

Let me ask you this, are the players going to protest by refusing his paychecks right now?  Refuse to take the playoff money?  There are statements (like turning your warmup inside out) and then there are real statements.  I have a feeling.......

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I would find it fascinating to see the Clippers boycott a game.

[avid1010]

Of course, if a position or opportunity was open...which in most cases they were open, but they chose to go to the Clippers.

Let me ask you this, are the players going to protest by refusing his paychecks right now?  Refuse to take the playoff money?  There are statements (like turning your warmup inside out) and then there are real statements.  I have a feeling.......

you said they all knew he was a racist and turned a blind eye for money...now you say they could have gotten the same amount (and i would say in some cases more) money to play elsewhere.

it was just a dumb comment - like they chose to play for a racist just because they wanted extra money.  in my opinion, they chose to play for a racist because they wanted to win.  or maybe doc just decided he was going to coach the group of players he wanted to coach, and he wasn't going to let a racist get in the way of that.  

a statement is getting your house burned to the ground with all your family memories and pets inside, and then refusing to leave the neighborhood.  giving the $$$ back to the owner seems like the dumbest thing they could do.  

the real statement may be to not let racist people interfere with what you want to do in life because you'll never get anything done.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

you said they all knew he was a racist and turned a blind eye for money...now you say they could have gotten the same amount (and i would say in some cases more) money to play elsewhere.

it was just a dumb comment - like they chose to play for a racist just because they wanted extra money.  in my opinion, they chose to play for a racist because they wanted to win.  or maybe doc just decided he was going to coach the group of players he wanted to coach, and he wasn't going to let a racist get in the way of that.  

a statement is getting your house burned to the ground with all your family memories and pets inside, and then refusing to leave the neighborhood.  giving the $$$ back to the owner seems like the dumbest thing they could do.  

the real statement may be to not let racist people interfere with what you want to do in life because you'll never get anything done.  

I said many people know about Sterling's background, especially in the NBA.  You would have to live under a rock not to know what Elgin Baylor went through very publicly or Baron Davis.  Players talk, coaches talk....yet free agents, coaches, etc, still come to play for the Clippers.  Why do you think that is?  Because it is a job that pays a ton of money.  Now, could they have gotten more money elsewhere?  Who knows, but they certainly could have been playing or coaching elsewhere.  Perhaps there are some players that given the same amount from Clippers and someone else have taken their act to somewhere else because of what is known.

We know certain politicians have preyed on young women, interns, etc...did that stop future young women to go work for or with him?  No.  People are going to do what they are going to do.  Women go back to abusive husbands.  Husbands go back to abusive wives.  People stay in jobs despite working complete jerks.  I know probably 2 or 3 guys (and gals) at the Clippers...they have families to feed, mortgages to pay.  At the end of the day, they don't have as many options as some of the players so they have to do what they have to do to keep things going until something better comes along.  Those are the people I feel bad for.  They get lumped into all of this stuff because of the owner. 

I'd love to see Doc step out of his contract.  I don't know if he can or if he feels the same way, but that would be an incredible statement if he could legally do it.  Donate some money, whatever.  I'd love to see some enterprising reporter dig a little further into the first NAACP lifetime achievement award for Sterling 6 years ago...I'll bet people were rolling in their graves and rolling their eyes back then...so how did he get it?  I'll give you 3 guesses, first two don't count.

[avid1010]

I said many people know about Sterling's background, especially in the NBA.  You would have to live under a rock not to know what Elgin Baylor went through very publicly or Baron Davis.

i'll copy/past exactly what you said, "Common thread....MONEY.  NAACP took money from him = lifetime achievement award.  Democrat party took money from him = bundling award.  Players and coaches....Sterling's money is green just like everyone else's.  They all know, they just turn a blind eye for the $$."

so you just said doc turned a blind eye for $$$, and i'm saying i don't buy it.  doc could have gone anywhere he wanted to.  i don't think he's the type of man to turn a blind eye to it.  i think he knew exactly what it was, and made a choice based upon what he felt was best.  imo, you decided to link the player/coaches to organizations in a manner that made them look like they would do anything for money.  the difference between many of the players and the coach is that they could have gotten the same money or more elsewhere.  not true for democratic party or NAACP.  

doc has to deal with trying to win a championship with a bigot for a coach, but i'm not going to lecture doc on how to handle racism.  you bring personal experiences into a lot of situations...i can't begin to understand how doc's personal experiences shape his decisions.  

i would add that democrats (although a Real GM article says $6,000 to dems all prior to the 1990s) and the NAACP should be called out for taking money from a racist...just as MU should be called out for making money off of congressman ryan after his racist remarks. 

[jesmu84]

http://www.nj.com/ledger-dalessandro/index.ssf/2014/04/dalessandro_donald_sterlings_candid_moment_its_business_as_usual_and_nba_business_is_often_ugly.html

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Has Joe Biden apologized for his racist comments about Obama yet? Goes to show you how serious Democrats take this. They made the guy their vice president!

[GGGG]

Has Joe Biden apologized for his racist comments about Obama yet? Goes to show you how serious Democrats take this. They made the guy their vice president!

Uhh......what?

Why do you and Chicos both need to take this in another direction like this?

[ChicosBailBonds]

i'll copy/past exactly what you said, "Common thread....MONEY.  NAACP took money from him = lifetime achievement award.  Democrat party took money from him = bundling award.  Players and coaches....Sterling's money is green just like everyone else's.  They all know, they just turn a blind eye for the $$."

so you just said doc turned a blind eye for $$$, and i'm saying i don't buy it.  doc could have gone anywhere he wanted to.  i don't think he's the type of man to turn a blind eye to it.  i think he knew exactly what it was, and made a choice based upon what he felt was best.  imo, you decided to link the player/coaches to organizations in a manner that made them look like they would do anything for money.  the difference between many of the players and the coach is that they could have gotten the same money or more elsewhere.  not true for democratic party or NAACP.  

doc has to deal with trying to win a championship with a bigot for a coach, but i'm not going to lecture doc on how to handle racism.  you bring personal experiences into a lot of situations...i can't begin to understand how doc's personal experiences shape his decisions.  

i would add that democrats (although a Real GM article says $6,000 to dems all prior to the 1990s) and the NAACP should be called out for taking money from a racist...just as MU should be called out for making money off of congressman ryan after his racist remarks. 

Doc is a really smart guy, I would find it close to unbelievable that he doesn't know about Donald Sterling's past.  In fact, I would find it unbelievable.  Perhaps he felt he would be an absentee owner and you just plug your nose. 

This is what came about from the Elgin Baylor trial, among other things.  "I would like to have a white Southern coach coaching poor black players," and that Sterling would bring women into the locker room to gaze at his players' "beautiful black bodies."

From 2011:  "During this same period, players Sam Cassell, Elton Brand and Corey Maggette complained  that DONALD STERLING would bring women into the locker room after games, while the players were showering, and make comments such as, 'Look at those beautiful black bodies.' I brought this to Sterling's attention, but he continued to bring women into the locker room."

In 2003, Sterling didn't like renting to black people and stated: "That's because of all the blacks in this building, they smell, they're not clean,", Mexican-Americans ("just sit around and smoke and drink all day") and people with children ("brats"), though he did like Koreans because "they will take whatever conditions I give them and still pay the rent."


Phil Jackson has been saying for years why he wouldn't associate with Donald Sterling and that the Clippers have been bad due to Karma and all the BS that Sterling has spewed over the years.

The list of sexual harrassment stuff is legendary over at the Clippers.  Multiple lawsuits, multiple settlements.  The guy has a rap sheet of lewdness and craptacular behavior a mile long going back to the 1980's in the NBA alone.

I guess I give Doc and the players more credit.  They know what a scumbag this guy is, most people in sports do and I'd wager 90% + in the NBA do. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://www.nj.com/ledger-dalessandro/index.ssf/2014/04/dalessandro_donald_sterlings_candid_moment_its_business_as_usual_and_nba_business_is_often_ugly.html

Like I said, this has been going on for a long time...a lot longer than the decade implied in this article.  It has been seen as Sterling is just a crazy old dude, but players and coaches still come because the money is still green.  I'm sorry, if someone in the NBA says they don't know about Sterling's behavior over the years, it is hard to take them seriously.  Either they are ignorant, chose not to listen or watch, or are lying.  You can't escape what is out in the public alone, the stuff that doesn't even hit the press is even more sordid.  They know, but the money is green.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I had totally forgot about this one....in the late 1990's his son was accused of shooting  his friend.  Guy was shot running away.  His son ultimately died a few years ago from a drug overdose, but that's another story.

Sterling, who originally was a lawyer, made some very interesting comments to a detective during the investigation about how tight he was with Bernard Parks and Lee Baca, that was the chief of police here in L.A. and the Sheriff of LA.  Parks is now on the City Council and a gem in his own right, as it Baca.

At any rate, Sterling is on tape basically trying to influence the detective in the investigation of his son.  At the end of the day, his son was not arrested despite the cops wanting him to.  The D.A.'s office declined.  Ah what wonderful things happen in the big city.

http://articles.latimes.com/print/2000/dec/17/magazine/tm-4889

[ThatDude]

I had totally forgot about this one....in the late 1990's his son was accused of shooting  his friend.  Guy was shot running away.  His son ultimately died a few years ago from a drug overdose, but that's another story.

Sterling, who originally was a lawyer, made some very interesting comments to a detective during the investigation about how tight he was with Bernard Parks and Lee Baca, that was the chief of police here in L.A. and the Sheriff of LA.  Parks is now on the City Council and a gem in his own right, as it Baca.

At any rate, Sterling is on tape basically trying to influence the detective in the investigation of his son.  At the end of the day, his son was not arrested despite the cops wanting him to.  The D.A.'s office declined.  Ah what wonderful things happen in the big city.

http://articles.latimes.com/print/2000/dec/17/magazine/tm-4889

Ok so what are you getting at?? That black players are dumb enough to wanna go play for a KNOWN racist??

No way any of the current clipper players and Doc knew that this man was a racist!

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Sultan doesn't like the comment about racist Joe Biden, but I don't see him commenting on avid's random suggestion that Paul Ryan is racist. So surprised. When does Hards chime in?

[real chili 83]

In before the lock.

[GGGG]

Sultan doesn't like the comment about racist Joe Biden, but I don't see him commenting on avid's random suggestion that Paul Ryan is racist. So surprised. When does Hards chime in?

To be honest, I didn't see it.

And it was in response to Chicos post.

Nice try though.

[GGGG]

Ok so what are you getting at?? That black players are dumb enough to wanna go play for a KNOWN racist??

No way any of the current clipper players and Doc knew that this man was a racist!

I don't think Chicos feels they are dumb enough....but that they simply overlooked past transgressions.

Sorry you are in denial.

[GGGG]

Oh and here is a reference for you.

http://deadspin.com/your-complete-quotable-guide-to-decades-of-donald-sterl-1568047212

[ChicosBailBonds]

Ok so what are you getting at?? That black players are dumb enough to wanna go play for a KNOWN racist??

No way any of the current clipper players and Doc knew that this man was a racist!

Oh boy...here we go.

Uhm, no, that's not what I said or implied.  I gave you other examples of people going back to abusive husbands, wives, bad bosses, etc.  All kinds of reasons people are drawn to folks or work for certain people or stay or enter into relationships.  Money is one of them.

How can you say that no current Clipper players knew this when Baron Davis played for them through 2011, which includes a bunch of guys that are still on the team right now.  Donald Sterling used to heckle Davis during games back in 2010 and 2011.  Are you really suggesting the other players didn't know this?  Please.  

As Baron said yesterday, "That's the way it is...He is honest about what he believes in..Been going on for a long time, Hats off 2 the Team.. 4 playin above it all."  

Anthony Morrow of the New Orleans Pelicans tweeted "He's had multiple complaints against him over the last 20 years, but it took this To happen for them to "influence" him to sell the team"

You're telling me Morrow of the Pelicans knew this, but not current players of the Clippers.  Please

Wake up..The Dude.  

[brandx]

I said many people know about Sterling's background, especially in the NBA.  You would have to live under a rock not to know what Elgin Baylor went through very publicly or Baron Davis.  Players talk, coaches talk....yet free agents, coaches, etc, still come to play for the Clippers.  Why do you think that is?  Because it is a job that pays a ton of money.  Now, could they have gotten more money elsewhere?  Who knows, but they certainly could have been playing or coaching elsewhere.  Perhaps there are some players that given the same amount from Clippers and someone else have taken their act to somewhere else because of what is known.

That is really some strange thinking. There are a limited number of NBA jobs and you response is that guys who trained their entire lives to play in the NBA should give up their dreams because of a racist owner. Could they have been playing elsewhere? Yes and that would have put other players out of jobs or in the same situation that they were in.

[brandx]

Oh boy...here we go.

Uhm, no, that's not what I said or implied.  I gave you other examples of people going back to abusive husbands, wives, bad bosses, etc.  All kinds of reasons people are drawn to folks or work for certain people or stay or enter into relationships.  Money is one of them.

How can you say that no current Clipper players knew this when Baron Davis played for them through 2011, which includes a bunch of guys that are still on the team right now.  Donald Sterling used to heckle Davis during games back in 2010 and 2011.  Are you really suggesting the other players didn't know this?  Please.  

As Baron said yesterday, "That's the way it is...He is honest about what he believes in..Been going on for a long time, Hats off 2 the Team.. 4 playin above it all."  

Anthony Morrow of the New Orleans Pelicans tweeted "He's had multiple complaints against him over the last 20 years, but it took this To happen for them to "influence" him to sell the team"

You're telling me Morrow of the Pelicans knew this, but not current players of the Clippers.  Please

Wake up..The Dude.  

You seem to be implying that black players shouldn't play for the Clippers - that they are selling out. Or if you think I am putting words into your mouth, please clear up your views for me.

Are you saying that black players should give up their vocation to prove their honor? Why aren't you asking whites to not play for a racist? Is it OK for them?

[ChicosBailBonds]

That is really some strange thinking. There are a limited number of NBA jobs and you response is that guys who trained their entire lives to play in the NBA should give up their dreams because of a racist owner. Could they have been playing elsewhere? Yes and that would have put other players out of jobs or in the same situation that they were in.

I don't think it is strange at all.  I understand where you are coming from, certainly.  My point remains that this is not new news, especially here in So. Cal. People are principled to a point, but when it comes to getting big checks and an opportunity to play, well those principles tend to get forgotten.  In fact, I think that is exactly what you are saying if you aren't actually saying it. 

People will do a lot of things for the right amount of 0's behind it.  The local NAACP chapter out here admitted today that their organization accepted $10K to $15K contributions from him and they loved him as a result. I'm sure that's why the Democrats were going to reward him next month for the bundling fund-raiser honoree...money has a way of curing a lot of warts or making people look like "great guys". 

[ChicosBailBonds]

You seem to be implying that black players shouldn't play for the Clippers - that they are selling out. Or if you think I am putting words into your mouth, please clear up your views for me.

Are you saying that black players should give up their vocation to prove their honor? Why aren't you asking whites to not play for a racist? Is it OK for them?

Uhm, I haven't mentioned black players at all, have I?  I said players, no identification beyond that.  smh

People have all kinds of reasons why they work for certain people, organizations, etc.  Money is one of those reasons.  There are organizations that I would never work for, ever, but I know a lot of people that would even though they don't agree with the products they sell or the news they push or what they stand for.  Why do you think that is?


Let me ask you this question Brand...say he doesn't sell the team because they can't compel him legally to sell the team.  Do you think that the Clippers will not be signing free agents moving forward?  Why do you think they will or will not be able to?  In my view, there will be players that will say absolutely no way.  There will be others, that will hold their nose and play.  Love to hear your opinion on it.

[martyconlonontherun]

Ok so what are you getting at?? That black players are dumb enough to wanna go play for a KNOWN racist??

No way any of the current clipper players and Doc knew that this man was a racist!

Lol. There is official court documents and plenty of main stream news articles showing in detail how how he is a racist. The players would have to be idiots to not even hear things from teammates how racist the owner acts.

[ThatDude]

Adminstrators please kill this thread. I am getting highly offended!!